Running away=noob?

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:38 am

Krystan wrote:I don't see how you can call a Glaive attack over powered, considering the wicked HP some nukes can do :O

It's not running, it's tactical disengagement, same with zerking, it's part of the game and it's there for a reason, if you are getting owned and you need a little extra oompf then by all means zerk away.

I love people that come up with all kinds of excuses and reasons as to why they would have won, after they have already lost.

These arguments are all the same no matter what game you play, most FPS games it's usually "zomg I was bashing with my pistol and teh n00b pulled out an SMG and spammed me.........."

duh, idiot you're not there having a tea party, the idea is to kill each other!!

Most people on here just play CS or something else, never explored anyother. So i hope that analogy matched CS. Anyway OT its not running away for a bow, but like said pvp has no rules so do whatever you can to survive.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:48 am

zerking in the middle of a cape fight just to win, now there's something different lol.

Intereptor · Post by **Intereptor** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:33 am

MrFudge wrote:zerking in the middle of a cape fight just to win, now there's something different lol.

hahah yeah, its funny when that happens, they are the main target from what I see and before they get an attack some other chars kill that person quickly and everyone just laughs.

About the running away part, I think its fair unless you completely run non-stop then when the following stop, come from behind and shoot in pvp. In wars its ok, cause its more anything goes. In Pvp I had some archer who would use 100% speed, phantom and run everytime I got close, so not much fighting until I would stop and he would shoot from afar as I was pvping someone else, so I gave him a KD and ran very far and did the same to him. Then he says "why you run for?" (^_^)

Lixiae · Post by **Lixiae** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:02 am

Here's my favorite cape fighting story. Im lvl 75 pure int s/s user and was fighting a lvl 74 pure str glaiver. lvl 74 glaiver has +7 glaive, I have +4 sword but pretty good defense. We start fighting, and the glaiver starts complaining about me kd'ing him, saying "spam kd more". Then starts calling me newb because I ironwalled, and goes so far as to tell me not to do it. LOL Then runs to recharge their hp a few times before eventually killing me. I just lol'ed cuz its like, so what do you want me to do, just stand here and nuke you while you wail away on me. Just goes to show how clueless some people are about this game.

Krystan · Post by **Krystan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:24 am

That's kind of like what I mean....

I can't see a problem with doing anything that you can in PvP to win

Yeah I would consider hiding in safe zone so you can regen HP kinda lame, but then if you agree to PvP maybe you need to go a bit further away from safe zone to start with to make it harder for them to run and hide.......

As for using KD, stun, Nova or whatever, they are all part of the skill set (as is zerk) and are there to be used, not just so your skill screen looks pretty!!

If you really can't handle people being sneaky and zerking, or freezing/stunning/running then you probably shouldn't PvP.

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:28 am

Krystan wrote:That's kind of like what I mean....

I can't see a problem with doing anything that you can in PvP to win

Yeah I would consider hiding in safe zone so you can regen HP kinda lame, but then if you agree to PvP maybe you need to go a bit further away from safe zone to start with to make it harder for them to run and hide.......

As for using KD, stun, Nova or whatever, they are all part of the skill set (as is zerk) and are there to be used, not just so your skill screen looks pretty!!

If you really can't handle people being sneaky and zerking, or freezing/stunning/running then you probably shouldn't PvP.

You PvP to prove who is stronger.
How is zerk proving anything?
Please, elaborate on how using something that makes you twice as strong as you should be, even be considered "fair".

Cerus · Post by **Cerus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:43 am

Intereptor wrote:In Pvp I had some archer who would use 100% speed, phantom and run everytime I got close, so not much fighting until I would stop and he would shoot from afar as I was pvping someone else, so I gave him a KD and ran very far and did the same to him. Then he says "why you run for?" (^_^)

I would ask the same thing if i PvP a Blader who KDed me and run rather than Stab me more while i was down...

Or I would just pop another Strong Bow up his bouncing asses since hes giving me the advantage

Krystan · Post by **Krystan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:53 am

MastaChiefX wrote:
Krystan wrote:That's kind of like what I mean....

I can't see a problem with doing anything that you can in PvP to win

Yeah I would consider hiding in safe zone so you can regen HP kinda lame, but then if you agree to PvP maybe you need to go a bit further away from safe zone to start with to make it harder for them to run and hide.......

As for using KD, stun, Nova or whatever, they are all part of the skill set (as is zerk) and are there to be used, not just so your skill screen looks pretty!!

If you really can't handle people being sneaky and zerking, or freezing/stunning/running then you probably shouldn't PvP.

You PvP to prove who is stronger.
How is zerk proving anything?
Please, elaborate on how using something that makes you twice as strong as you should be, even be considered "fair".

I didn't say anything about fair.
The only way to have a fair PvP is for both to fight with no armour/garments/protector and no weapons or imbues just pure fist fight.
Also they would both have to be pure STR or Pure INT and both have to be exactly the same level, also have the same amount / size pots etc etc

Get the point, it's a fight, it's not meant to be fair.

If you want to have some sort of gentlemens agreement the maybe you should try and set the terms before the fight starts instead of whinging about tactics you don't like after the fact (not having a go at you here, just a general statement)

If he zerks then maybe you should zerk too, no point standing on a soap box after your dead and saying "well at least I didn't zerk!"

Cerus · Post by **Cerus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:57 am

I have to agree with Krystan for that.

Its not a fair fight in the first place. Diff builds diff gears and diff weapons.

and dont forget... diff mastery level.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:08 am

MastaChiefX wrote:.........That's k
You PvP to prove who is stronger.
saying "well at least I didn't zerk!"

(shorten both of your quotes)

weird point of view.
its a fight i do agree, but why do you consider using a nuke vs stones as a fight?

a good fight are the people who have worked for their gear, worked for their mastery levels, zerk is just a weakness (compare it to a level 80 in his gear who finds fighting level 20 fun and scream noob after it.)

That is why there are only a few good pvp`s and people should not waste too much time pvp on lower levels since its useless and usually end up in whines, things like i dont have full blue gear, you got sos, you got 0 gap and so on and on

a good pvp is equal levels equal mastery level rest is based on your own work (your gear) and all those full sosuns users who think fighting +3 gears is ok should stop being asses same goes for the zerk users.

Krystan · Post by **Krystan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:19 am

I didn't undersatnd alot of your post borat2, but I'm gonna put that down to a language barrier.

I'm simply saying that zerk is an ability that every single player has, so it's not an unfair advantage.

If you choose not to use zerk in PvP then that's your own decision, if someone else decides to zerk in PvP then tough luck, you should zerk too.
If you are both zerking then there is no advantage to anyone is there?

I can already hear the next question, "what if I don't have my zerk orbs full so I can't zerk?"

Too bad, you should have saved them up just in case the other bloke zerked in the PvP.
The same argument can be used with pots, and lets face it, most PvP come down to a pot war anyway.
"zomg, you only won because you had a bag of 1000 HP pots and I only had 100 normal pots"

A win is a win, I guarentee that every single person who has had a PvP without exception since the beginning of the game has done something that the other player considered in poor sport or lame or n00b like whatever you want to call it.

It's a fight, it's not meant to be fair, if someone zerks on you then suck it up, and zerk on them next time around.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:31 am

I have a feeling that most of us are talking about CAPE pvp's

therefore using zerk is f*******cking stupid if you ask me, and really lame, and noobish.

i dont see how anyone would support using zerk in cape fights.

while jobbing and wars, yes zerk is tolerable.

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:34 am

i wouldnt' say it's stupid. people like being on power trips.

tomiotar · Post by **tomiotar** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:37 am

Running to safe zone on cape fight is an unfair tactic and I consider that as he give up. I run to the safe zone on a cape fight only when 1) I have a noob that dont want to stop the fight even when is clear that is a pot fight (I have this problem ususally with bladers), 2) Someone zerk during cape fight, so I wait until his zerk is off and chase him.

I think that zerk on pvp is absolutly coward. It happen to me 1 or 2 times that I accidently hit the TAB button (#1 and TAB are extremly close :roll:

) , but when this happen I leave the other guy kill me without defending myself.

That i have to recognize that I use is phantom, switch to my shield and wait a moment to regenerate before continue fighting, but I keep just the phantom distance and I dont start to run from jangan to takla. I know that with my shield they cant kill me (unless sosun weapon) so normally 1)I take distance 2) pot+vigors 3) wait until phantom cooldown (being heavily hit at this moment) 4) phantom + switch to my bow again.

Krystan · Post by **Krystan** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:45 am

Best suggestion I've heard so far.

If they zerk in cape fight and you can't or won't zerk then run to safe zone, wait for zerk to wear off then go back continue fight.

That's as much a legit tactic as anything else.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:53 am

Krystan wrote:Best suggestion I've heard so far.

If they zerk in cape fight and you can't or won't zerk then run to safe zone, wait for zerk to wear off then go back continue fight.

That's as much a legit tactic as anything else.

it is just a waste of your zerk and a great show of weakness.
using zerk on someone your own level for example while you are thieving and you know his gear is equal/close to yours then its just weak, but using walls/phantom and so on is just a good way to show your skills and what you really can do in pvp.

i love those people who do jobs and summon mercs in 1on1 waiting to ever see one who uses mercs and zerk in 1on1

reddragonz · Post by **reddragonz** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:11 am

I have no problem using safe zone, to repot. Its his job to stop you getting there with stun/kd/zerk/whateva. With safe zone boucning tactic (nuke->safe->nuke) nukers can make a glaive go through pots 5:1. Consuming his pots up for the win.

reeL · Post by **reeL** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:20 am

"Chuck Norris never retreats, he just attacks the opposite direction"