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[GUIDE:] Support build

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Hello, and welcome to the support builds guide!

As I've been reading around these forums, I've noticed that alot of people want to have a support build.

I can see the logic in this, because some people don't want cookie cutter builds, or want to be more unique (alittle different than "non cookie cutter"), or just want to help out their guild and friends.

This guide is going to be based on the 90 cap with new skills.

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Pacheon

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This seems pretty standard bow, except for two things:
Black hawk will be maxed out, this is for two reasons.
First, because the new book of hawk is going to be another black hawk, and it does alot of damage.
Second, because as a support build, you might have to stop attacking to start healing someone, your hawk will continue to attack the target, even though you're healing another. It will only attack about 2 more times, but by the time it starts flying back to you, you should be done ressing and back to attacking.

Autumn wind will also be maxed out, this is because as a support build, you want to be able to hit as many targets as you can at once.

When new skills come out, there will be another skill tree that is alot like petal sword dance, but for bows. You will max this out as well.

Force

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This seems pretty straight foreward. Max out everything except for self heal and vital heal.

The point of getting Force to level 81 is so that you can res capped players.

You can get vital heal if you want to, but your team members should be carrying pills anyways.

Maxing out vital series seems to be like a good idea. In skill update, there are going to be about 6 different vital spots, and though they can be canceled out at any time (assuming an update does not fix this) alot of people don't notice if they've been hit by a vital spot, especially in the heat of battle.

In the skill update, a new tree will be added which heals multiple members of your party, this tree should also be maxed out.

Fire

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Pretty standard fire tree. You will get fire up to level 72, because at that level (I think) a new flame body book is added, and extra physical attack is always appreciated.

Lightning

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The rest of your skill points should go into lightning for speed and magical attack.

Alternate Fire & Light

An alternative to 72 fire and 57 light would be to have 52 fire and 68 light. You can once again have an alternate of 32 fire and 88 light.

If you are one of the last 2 hybrids, then the 32 fire and 88 light may appeal to you.

If you are hybrid number 3, you can either do the 32 fire 88 light, or 72 fire 57 light.

If you are a more int heavy hybrid, then you might want to take lightning up more, because you'll need the extra imbue and magical damage.

Of course, it is your character, the decision is ultimately up to you :)

Builds

For builds, I would recommend the standard Pure str, but for those of you adventurers out there, I have some other recommended builds :)

Hybrid #1

This is the hybrid that I would recommend most, because it's backed up with alittle more "in-game science" than other hybrid builds.
This hybrid is a very light hybrid, but I believe it will be a very effective one.

The key to this hybrid is to add either 4 or 5 stat points onto intelligence. This is because at level 90, a full str has a physical balance of 97%, and a magical balance of 28%. If you add 4 or 5 intelligence points, your physical balance will be 97%, and magical balance will go up to 29%.

The reason I believe this hybrid will be so effective is because the game uses balances for pretty much everything. Physical and magical balance affects your physical and magical attack, defence, and I also think it affects your parry and hit ratio.

Hybrid #2&3

Hybrid #2 involves adding anywhere from 16 to 17 intelligence. This increase in intelligence will make your physical balance 95%, and magical balance 32%.

Hybrid #3 involves adding anywhere from 43 to 46 intelligence. This increase in intelligence will make your physical balance 90%, and magical balance 39%.

The reasons I believe these two hybrids will be effective is for the reason stated in Hybrid #1's section.

Hybrid #4

For those of you looking for something alittle more daring, Hybrid #4 is for you!
Hybrid #4 is the standard "1:2 str hybrid". This hybrid in the end will have a physical balance of 82%, and a magical balance of 51%.

This is a pretty standard bow hybrid build.

Hybrid #5

For those of you who feel very daring, then Hybrid #5 is the way to go!
Hybrid #5 is the "70:70" bow hybrid build. For those of you who didn't know, this is an int hybrid.

This build will add 105 str, and 162 int throughout leveling to get the desired balances.

Thank you for reading, and I hope you enjoyed! If you want anything added or explained, please ask :)

Edit list:
Edit #1: Made a mistake on when you get the new flame body buff and fixed it. Added an alternative to fire and light skill point placement.
Edit #2: Told certain hybrids light based builds might be more for them.
Last edited by Rainigul on Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:09 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Post by HyorunmarouZ »

Another great guide that many people will appreciate.

Just a thing, when euro comes, many of this support people will become clerics hehe

But i think the Hybrid 3 is a very good build for support and decent dmg and resistance for PvP but that's me :)

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HyorunmarouZ wrote:Another great guide that many people will appreciate.

Just a thing, when euro comes, many of this support people will become clerics hehe

But i think the Hybrid 3 is a very good build for support and decent dmg and resistance for PvP but that's me :)


Thanks :)

Yeah, it's possible clerics will become the way of the future.
Still though, alot of people aren't going to like euro chars (pretty much just because of the pot thing, lol).

Yeah, I think Hybrid 2 & 3 should be tested out, they're both pretty good.
Hybrid #1 though it ALMOST guarenteed to be good though.

Hershey wrote:another great guide by Raini ^^


Hurray :)

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Post by Honry »

Wouldnt it be better to go Force 90 light 90 + weapon 90 and 30 what ever u want. (Pure Int - Int Hybrid)

A support char is not for pvp so u can only do it for pvm (hunter,trader)

U can take bow or heuksal (bow would be great for hunting huge trades)

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I do not like the first two hybrids, they may look nice on paper but in reality I do not like how they will fare. The minute amount of intelligence will not do all that much, and 1% balance isn't going to change too much, taking away hit points and critical.

As for the second one, again with the minor intelligence, the 1x points will do nothing in terms of damage and very minute things to overall stats, and you will miss out on hit points and critical again.

Besides that, nice guide.

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shadowman20875 wrote:I do not like the first two hybrids, they may look nice on paper but in reality I do not like how they will fare. The minute amount of intelligence will not do all that much, and 1% balance isn't going to change too much, taking away hit points and critical.

As for the second one, again with the minor intelligence, the 1x points will do nothing in terms of damage and very minute things to overall stats, and you will miss out on hit points and critical again.

Besides that, nice guide.


Well, the hybrid builds were just suggestions.

Also, this is a support build, not a 1v1er. So you won't rely on crits or hp as much.
Also, we've already learnt that hybrid bow crits are already as strong as pure bow crits.

But the build is more about where to put your skill points, because I've read about alot of people wanting to build support characters, so I just made a guide about it.

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Honry wrote:Wouldnt it be better to go Force 90 light 90 + weapon 90 and 30 what ever u want. (Pure Int - Int Hybrid)

agree on the force-light-weapon choice, i would do 90 light instead of split between light and fire. however, in order to be a good support character a str-based build is almost a necessity, because a dead support is useless to the team.

also maybe carry a high BR shield with you, equip it when you are running away.
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[SD]happynoobing wrote:
Honry wrote:Wouldnt it be better to go Force 90 light 90 + weapon 90 and 30 what ever u want. (Pure Int - Int Hybrid)

agree on the force-light-weapon choice, i would do 90 light instead of split between light and fire. however, in order to be a good support character a str-based build is almost a necessity, because a dead support is useless to the team.

also maybe carry a high BR shield with you, equip it when you are running away.


Nevermind.

Changed guide a bit, I'll make it more flashy later.
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[SD]Rainigul wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:I do not like the first two hybrids, they may look nice on paper but in reality I do not like how they will fare. The minute amount of intelligence will not do all that much, and 1% balance isn't going to change too much, taking away hit points and critical.

As for the second one, again with the minor intelligence, the 1x points will do nothing in terms of damage and very minute things to overall stats, and you will miss out on hit points and critical again.

Besides that, nice guide.


Well, the hybrid builds were just suggestions.

Also, this is a support build, not a 1v1er. So you won't rely on crits or hp as much.
Also, we've already learnt that hybrid bow crits are already as strong as pure bow crits.

But the build is more about where to put your skill points, because I've read about alot of people wanting to build support characters, so I just made a guide about it.

I never assumed it to be a 1 v 1, but every build must fight at least a little. First, let me get this straight, nice guide.

Now, for the int hybrids shouldn't you put somewhere that ice may be beneficial? Drop fire, and go ice/light/force, hard to heal when you crit to death.

You write regarding Hyrbid #4 wrote:This is a pretty standard bow hybrid build.

82% PHYS is standard? and before it you put it was daring.

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shadowman20875 wrote:
[SD]Rainigul wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:I do not like the first two hybrids, they may look nice on paper but in reality I do not like how they will fare. The minute amount of intelligence will not do all that much, and 1% balance isn't going to change too much, taking away hit points and critical.

As for the second one, again with the minor intelligence, the 1x points will do nothing in terms of damage and very minute things to overall stats, and you will miss out on hit points and critical again.

Besides that, nice guide.


Well, the hybrid builds were just suggestions.

Also, this is a support build, not a 1v1er. So you won't rely on crits or hp as much.
Also, we've already learnt that hybrid bow crits are already as strong as pure bow crits.

But the build is more about where to put your skill points, because I've read about alot of people wanting to build support characters, so I just made a guide about it.

I never assumed it to be a 1 v 1, but every build must fight at least a little. First, let me get this straight, nice guide.

Now, for the int hybrids shouldn't you put somewhere that ice may be beneficial? Drop fire, and go ice/light/force, hard to heal when you crit to death.


Oh yeah, that's a good point. I'll address that later.

You write regarding Hyrbid #4 wrote:This is a pretty standard bow hybrid build.

82% PHYS is standard? and before it you put it was daring.


Yeah, when people say "I'm making a bow hybrid", they usually make it 1:2 str. I said it was more daring because it strays farther from the pure str path, which is recommended.

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One more thing, you should address armour types somewhere in this, or just put up a link at least.

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shadowman20875 wrote:One more thing, you should address armour types somewhere in this, or just put up a link at least.

/sleep


Ehhhh...

I figure it's pretty common to just wear garms.

Armor types is more of a your choice kinda thing.

I mean, alot of people would say for pure ints to wear armor, but alot of the people with pure ints would rather wear garments so they can survive against other nukers.
I might put a link though.

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Just 1 point. With force at 81 you can ress everyone but your circle will prevent only up to lvl88 mobs, if you want your circle prevent every possible monster on the game you need force up to lvl83. I think that for hibrids #4 and #5 you can make a build based more on light (instead of fire) to get the magical damage increase:

90 pacheon 89 light 81 force 40 ice(to get 30% of damage transfer with mana shield)

or

90 pacheon 87 light 83 force 40 ice


If you go with a pure or almost pure str is more usefull fire than light (because of physical damage buff and passive and extra magical defense), but as soon you start to add int is better light to be able to run fast as hell out of the battle and increase your magical damage. Moreover, if you choose any int hibrid you will need some levels on ice just for 1 skill "Mana Shield" :) .



BTW Great guide :wink:

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Congrats. Another good piece of work :)
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Another suggestion, maybe ss some stat shots? If people are using this guide it may be easier on them to check their work on a picture that they're familiar with rather than digging through the words.

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Great Job!!
but...

Well.. i was considering about the real suporter...
kinda the guy that wont kill in PVP, keep cheap in PVM and also very very usefull in wars and jobing...
And get to the point i guess:
Bicheon 90
Force 81
Lightning 90

U could look and say but his imbue will su** buuut... In PVM will be enough and in PVP his help is healing and ressing not Killing... and he also will have all light buffs and will be pretty fun... i gues...

Well maybe my next character.. I guess many guilds will want him after he gets like lvl 5x ;)

Bow make it cooler but not as imortal as a Bicheon i mean...
if u are the healer u supose to be the last one to fall in the field i guess...
No flaming just my point... I can sure hear... No thx no like... u noob...
But thats all...
Thx for attention...

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lennonn wrote:Great Job!!
but...

Well.. i was considering about the real suporter...
kinda the guy that wont kill in PVP, keep cheap in PVM and also very very usefull in wars and jobing...
And get to the point i guess:
Bicheon 90
Force 81
Lightning 90

U could look and say but his imbue will su** buuut... In PVM will be enough and in PVP his help is healing and ressing not Killing... and he also will have all light buffs and will be pretty fun... i gues...

Well maybe my next character.. I guess many guilds will want him after he gets like lvl 5x ;)

Bow make it cooler but not as imortal as a Bicheon i mean...
if u are the healer u supose to be the last one to fall in the field i guess...
No flaming just my point... I can sure hear... No thx no like... u noob...
But thats all...
Thx for attention...

Yours,
Len :love:


Don't worry, you have very valid points ^ ^.

I'm actually thinking that perhaps I shouldn't have split the fire and light mastery, because if you don't have high level fire, you don't have high fire imbue :S
If you are a str based build though, I figure it won't make much of a difference (Honestly, I've seen 2 pure strs fight each other outside of jangan, both had only lv 1 blades (I figured they were npc, no glows). Both were level 70, and they both did about the same ammount of damage, even though one had lv 3 soul fire force, and the other level 1. That's only 2 levels though).

shadowman20875 wrote:Another suggestion, maybe ss some stat shots? If people are using this guide it may be easier on them to check their work on a picture that they're familiar with rather than digging through the words.


I was thinking of doing this, but then I thought that it was kinda pointless, especially since most of the builds are dynamic, I'll think about it though :)

Stress wrote:Congrats. Another good piece of work :)


Thx :)

tomiotar wrote:Just 1 point. With force at 81 you can ress everyone but your circle will prevent only up to lvl88 mobs, if you want your circle prevent every possible monster on the game you need force up to lvl83. I think that for hibrids #4 and #5 you can make a build based more on light (instead of fire) to get the magical damage increase:

90 pacheon 89 light 81 force 40 ice(to get 30% of damage transfer with mana shield)

or

90 pacheon 87 light 83 force 40 ice


If you go with a pure or almost pure str is more usefull fire than light (because of physical damage buff and passive and extra magical defense), but as soon you start to add int is better light to be able to run fast as hell out of the battle and increase your magical damage. Moreover, if you choose any int hibrid you will need some levels on ice just for 1 skill "Mana Shield" :) .



BTW Great guide :wink:


I like what you're saying, I'm thinking about trashing this guide and just restarting it, lol. I should have thought alittle more on it before doing it.
I hope that the final product will be nice though, I don't feel like doing it now though, lol.

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Post by lennonn »

^^ ty.
Even tough cuz imbue helps off course... but not thaaaaaat extra damage... and since the idea is just support... u dont mind about bit less dmg :)
Better a imbur lightning lvl max them a fire 1/2 xD(Also some Area Dmg =))(Well actually since full str i think no real dmg from it... but enemies can be shocked).

Buuuut... in general the Guide quite usefull , some details...U will fix and make it the best >:) xD
If i can help in anything fell free to ask/PM me :)

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nice guide.. prepared for the new skills and the hybrid builds even looks good for me.(somebody who is basicly against hybrid builds)

but i gotta say i first was like... huh?? why?? cause i'm building a support too
and my basic theory is. The main goal of a support char is to stay alive. So blader pure str and then cold/fire (for the phy/mag def) and then no light.

This will make a slow char that can prob not even hit a dent in a pack of butter :D but that's not his goal. But then again.. i would never make this my main char.

So i was a little suprised about bow and no cold at first but when I think about it. Then it could work really well.
And yours is much funner to play, not as common ^^ and prob still a good support.

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