My "truth" about SP farming.

[FluxFire]

If you ever want to get anywhere in the game you will sp farm and not lvl with a 5 gap whole game -.-

I'm going somewhere right now and taking on monsters higher level with me with a constant gap.

[zZh4ku]

it will take u years to level with 4-6 gap to 80...
im gonna start farming at 72 why? because i want to. my lvl people have maxed skill trees.. and i get jealoussss. ^^
i cant even run fast because my lightning is at 44 LOL
in the end its your choice to whether farm or not


o bone soldier drops nice wind 2 too ;]

[FluxFire]

Emphasis is put on people to SP farming, this tend to become peer pressure, is high and intensive pressure for people to do like other people.

For me, this does tend to encourage people to take short cuts. People should be more opened when they write guides, they probably should cut out words like "you should...", "you must...", "you have to...".

The more pressure you put on people, the more you show them lots of power, they more they will want that power. Botting... no challenge, have the computer work for you, but you will have to remember the power isn't yours, it belongs to your computer.

Gold buyers, botters and even account buyers as I didn't mention them but is another aspect of any online games, the famous account buyers.

Again, you can play any games without cheating, you'll work very hard, but at the end, you'll be much more happy.

As for as working against bots being fun? Well... I won't flame back here because I pretty much opened the thread for flaming on the original subject but I see no fun in playing against anyone who cheats. Keep in mind this is true everywhere in real life, I wouldn't want to play against someone who cheats at poker, who cheats at hockey, who cheats at work, etc.

[FluxFire]

it will take u years to level with 4-6 gap to 80...
im gonna start farming at 72 why? because i want to. my lvl people have maxed skill trees.. and i get jealoussss. ^^
i cant even run fast because my lightning is at 44 LOL
in the end its your choice to whether farm or not

Wait... what's wrong with that? Shouldn't it take your years to get those high levels anyway? Isn't this the exact point we should tackle? This desire for it not to take years, again we're moving exactly to the core of the subject, the desire to take short cuts.

And yes, you mentioned it... "jealous"... "envy"... "greed". Always the same thing, always the same desire.

As for the drops, lets... drop that subject, I know I opened it a bit with the money comments but lets be careful about not high jacking the thread with monster drops.

But yes, you are right, it's everyone of us this choice to farm or not. I just wish that people would stop saying it's not a choice, it's an obligation.

[BuddahBless]

Emphasis is put on people to SP farming, this tend to become peer pressure, is high and intensive pressure for people to do like other people.

For me, this does tend to encourage people to take short cuts. People should be more opened when they write guides, they probably should cut out words like "you should...", "you must...", "you have to...".

The more pressure you put on people, the more you show them lots of power, they more they will want that power. Botting... no challenge, have the computer work for you, but you will have to remember the power isn't yours, it belongs to your computer.

Gold buyers, botters and even account buyers as I didn't mention them but is another aspect of any online games, the famous account buyers.

Again, you can play any games without cheating, you'll work very hard, but at the end, you'll be much more happy.

As for as working against bots being fun? Well... I won't flame back here because I pretty much opened the thread for flaming on the original subject but I see no fun in playing against anyone who cheats. Keep in mind this is true everywhere in real life, I wouldn't want to play against someone who cheats at poker, who cheats at hockey, who cheats at work, etc.

LOL peer pressure wtf. People sp farm because they want to be a high lvl and be strong. And what is the problem with that? There is nothing to do in this game but grind and farm...just like any other mmorpg. The goal in the game is for you to get stronger than the next guy. How you can have fun any other way in a game like this, I don't know. Unless I guess you are the type that treats these types of games like a chatroom?


As for the bot issue...yeah I agree but players can't really do anything. All these bots are the fault of a crappy lazy company. But like I said...go to a well known p2p game if you don't wanna worry about all the cheating. It would be more enjoyable for you.

[hereticz]

I'm having fun at flowers right now, not 1 hitting them at all, but I'm having fun because I go legit, and when I get a drop, I smile because I worked hard for that drop.

Oh so true................

This is what keeps it real for us legit grinders and farmers... the result of our blood sweat and tears :O
Like the 2 Sos bracers i found.. 1 yesterday and 1 less than half an hour ago

[PR0METHEUS]

it will take u years to level with 4-6 gap to 80...
im gonna start farming at 72 why? because i want to. my lvl people have maxed skill trees.. and i get jealoussss. ^^
i cant even run fast because my lightning is at 44 LOL
in the end its your choice to whether farm or not

Wait... what's wrong with that? Shouldn't it take your years to get those high levels anyway? Isn't this the exact point we should tackle? This desire for it not to take years, again we're moving exactly to the core of the subject, the desire to take short cuts.

I agree with you on that. There's nothing wrong with leveling slowly. I don't remember exactly when I started playing SRO, but it was fairly shortly before I started PR0METHEUS. I've been leveling PROMETHEUS for probably almost a year now, and I'm only lvl 45. I'm pure str blader, so indeed I level slow to begin with. I know I could level faster if I grind more, but I'm perfectly fine leveling extremely slow. I play the game for fun, not to be "the best".

I never farmed on this or any character. I do plan on trying it out at lvl 52, but that only means I'll open my gap to 7 or 9 and just grind as I continue leveling until I get tired of it. I won't delevel myself like people do in the bandit stronghold. I guess you could see that kind of grinding as "cheating the system" because deleveling isn't really meant to be part of the game. Dieing is supposed to be a "bad" thing, not a technique to make you stronger.

There is nothing to do in this game but grind and farm...just like any other mmorpg. The goal in the game is for you to get stronger than the next guy. How you can have fun any other way in a game like this, I don't know. Unless I guess you are the type that treats these types of games like a chatroom?

There's plenty of other things to do in this game. If you get bored grinding or farming, there's other things you can do.

- job
- run around helping lower level players
- run around picking on lower level players (not that I recommend it, but people do it)
- chat with friends
- hold in game parties, weddings, etc.
- explore the map, find new interesting places you didn't know about before
- glitches
- log off

[justaskphil]

Good points. One thing is certain - every MMORPG has the same elements, gameplay and problems. SRO is not unlike all of those. You have to be content with the reality that some people are always going to cheat (cheat as in buy gold, bot, scam, etc - I don't consider sp farming cheating b/c it's part of the game & not breaking any rules) to be the best and come to terms with the fact that by being legit you're always going to have the unfair advantage. That just serves to make victory that much more sweet when you own someone that's cheated the system in one way or another

You're right, you don't have to farm a bit. But to lvl you will have to grind. Why not keep a 4-6 gap and take it from there? You'll lvl fast enough to not get the monotony of grinding one mob, make a little money & get a little sp to fill out skills.

*note - $$$ - Monkey fingernails, toenails and sharp rocks @ Bunwangs! Wind 2 222 2 22 2 2 2 22 make a fortune!

You are free to do what you choose, whether you 0 gap to cap, grind for months on end @ stronghold, job, go murder, etc...it's your choice, just beware of the consequences & end result attached to each decision.

**Edit - @ delvling - if you lost skill xp when you died, that would kill the farming @ stronghold altogether. Then again, who at 7x would want to lose 70-90k skill xp if they were to get pwned?

@author - no flames yet?

[BuddahBless]

All the people that are posting this crap like "OmGzz I DonT PlaY To Be thE bessT I play For FuNnNN." It's total bullshit. The reason you post this on the forums is because you are trying to make yourself believe you "just play for fun". How can it be fun to spend months on low lvl mobs? You don't even experience the game. Thats actually just as crazy as these people farming 200k at lvl 16.

1. You play to be the best.
2. You see the bots/some legits kicking your ass as far as lvls and gear.
3. You really wanna bot but are afraid of getting caught. ( why, I don't know)
4. You launch a campaign on the forum talking about how "cool and exciting" it is to be low lvl forever.

Anyways I'm done posting because you guys are full of shit.

[PR0METHEUS]

All the people that are posting this crap like "OmGzz I DonT PlaY To Be thE bessT I play For FuNnNN." It's total bullshit. The reason you post this on the forums is because you are trying to make yourself believe you "just play for fun". How can it be fun to spend months on low lvl mobs? You don't even experience the game. Thats actually just as crazy as these people farming 200k at lvl 16.

1. You play to be the best.
2. You see the bots/some legits kicking your ass as far as lvls and gear.
3. You really wanna bot but are afraid of getting caught. ( why, I don't know)
4. You launch a campaign on the forum talking about how "cool and exciting" it is to be low lvl forever.

Anyways I'm done posting because you guys are full of shit.

Everyone has their own definition of fun. I certainly don't find it fun to mindlessly kill low level mobs day after day. Part of the reason I level so slow (aside from the fact that I have a wife and a daughter and a fulltime job that take time away from SRO) is that I take time away from grinding to do things like jobbing (usually thieving but the occasional hunting) or I'll hop on a horse and explore other areas, like takla makan, or just run around helping people, watching trade runs, whatever.

I guess if I was more into PVP (waste of pots) I'd be more into trying to "be the best" so I can win at PVP more. The way I look at it is, I can basically do whatever I want in SRO, as long as I have fun doing it. If I gain a level or two during that process, or more new skills, that's just an added bonus. I won't be low level forever. I'll just get up there slower than others.

Not everyone wants to just "ZOMG PWN N00BZZ!!!1!1!!111!ONE!1111"

[Mrs. Santa]

Dedication

Also, most people do have higher level characters, when starting a new character, so they can afford equipment, or their friends/guild lets them borrow equpment, most of the time.

[mosiac]

All the people that are posting this crap like "OmGzz I DonT PlaY To Be thE bessT I play For FuNnNN." It's total bullshit. The reason you post this on the forums is because you are trying to make yourself believe you "just play for fun". How can it be fun to spend months on low lvl mobs? You don't even experience the game. Thats actually just as crazy as these people farming 200k at lvl 16.

1. You play to be the best.
2. You see the bots/some legits kicking your ass as far as lvls and gear.
3. You really wanna bot but are afraid of getting caught. ( why, I don't know)
4. You launch a campaign on the forum talking about how "cool and exciting" it is to be low lvl forever.

Anyways I'm done posting because you guys are full of shit.

there's also two types of players.. ones that play simply for pvp, yourself, and ones that play to have fun

[Apocalypse57]

You guys talking bout farming at sonars?? what monster is that, I never saw it or is it an abbreviation? and which gives more wind lvl 2? these "sonars" or scorpions? if its scorpions which ones, the lvl 31-32 or 39-40 ones?

thnx

[THE_ZUL]

well its hard to find legit player from lvl 1-80.....
most of sro player are botters? i 'd agree with that...
but i dun give f**k to them

but...but...i said BUT...
goldfarmer with KS OFF spoiled this game .Period

[moloko]

Playing an online game to be the best in the game is just lame. I mean, come on, ppl, who does care you have the best char in the server and stuff? And I mean by that who cares in real life? No one cares at all. And what if you are teh best in the game? I don't know who you are in the real life, I don't know what you are and how you are and stuff and frankly I don't care. It's not like you will be happier in every day life or know more about stuff or live longer and blah blah. It's plain retard trying to be the best, the richer, the strongest the blah blah blah in an online game, let's be serious.
It's a game. Dull. And sometimes really lame if you think about what problems it has, but if you play it despite all the stuff it means you like it and yeah, you have fun playing it. That's why it is called a game and not a job. Wanna spend months and years in farming, in leveling up, in gaining gold and stuff? Fine. Just do it. But stop always repeating "OMG, I am so good, I have the best char in the server, you stupid noob". In the end, no one gives a damn about it, let's be honest.
But as long as you have fun playing it, it's your problem why you do all the stuff you do in the game. If you are playing a game you don't even enjoy just to prove to some ppl you don't know and that don't know you that you are the best in pressing some keys, well, that makes you just retard.

And yeah, farming like 2-3 months to gain 746174162734198236 sp's is lame indeed. The game is made for fun, and I really doubt everyone's notion of "fun" is doing the same and same thing over and over and over and so on and so forth. And for the ppl that sp farm at low lvl to go throughout the game faster: in those 2-3 months you are farming ppl lvl up even if you don't, did you know that? And in the end, at high levels, it doesn't matter if you have gap or not, you still have to make tons of millions of xp in order to lvl up. Enjoy.

[PR0METHEUS]

well its hard to find legit player from lvl 1-80.....
most of sro player are botters? i 'd agree with that...
but i dun give f**k to them

but...but...i said BUT...
goldfarmer with KS OFF spoiled this game .Period

I like the ones that have PK turned ON! More gears for me!

[EllisD]

I didnt farm to be the best, there is no best.

I farmed to be able to compete. Not being able to compete hinders the "fun" you can have. Well, for me anyways.

[BlackFox]

O.o One more BLAHBLAH thread.....

[x_CodeZero_x]

3396th blahblah post from BF...

[Rainigul]

Be yourself, do the things you want to do, you make an error? What's the big deal? We all make errors, nothing is perfect in this world. Botters are people that don't like to make mistakes, meaning they aren't quite human eh? They like the power, they like to see themselves own monsters with one hit. But is this game about 1 hitting monsters? This game is... a game, it's suppose to be about fun. Oh! I will admit there isn't much fun when you're playing against botters of course, Botmax, but... still, play YOUR game, the way YOU want and don't cheat, be legit, and you will have the true satisfaction of a kill.

So you're saying that humans like to make mistakes? And you say "Nothing is perfect in this world" well, that may be so, but there are still varying degrees of perfection.
You say sp farmers are botters, I'm sp farming and I don't bot. I actually like sp farming, MUCH more fun than grinding on higher levels.

You are just pissed 'cause your character sucks.
You don't have to sp farm, but it'll make the rest of the game much more satisfactory.

[BlackFox]

@ x_CodeZero_x
Hehehe 2900 is not my fault......And stop this about postcount....But really he say BS nothing else.

[__MagnuS__]

http://sircola78.si.funpic.de/Ally/adb/ ... l=2&sort=1

Here is the Master Alchemy link. Now go and make your MILLIONS.

[Apocalypse57]

thank you, appreciated

[Doppleganger]

Sp farming in stronghold is NOT HARD! I dont see why people say things like,

Thats actually just as crazy as these people farming 200k at lvl 16.

All it truly is, is finding the patience within yourself to accomplish your goal. Accomplishment is GREAT. For the most part, the stronghold farmers want to get all there farming over with so they never have to farm again and just lvl as quick as they can, not having to slow down for anything.
Everyone has there own way to do things.
Some want to get it over with, some want to do little by little.

Now when you say

The truth is, you do not have to SP farm at all in this game. OMG! What the hell did I just wrote? Eh! No, you don't need to farm, but power hungry botters will tell you that you MUST SP farm, there's no way around it. Yes there is, keep a decent gap between you and your masteries throughout the game,

Now i know what you mean when you say people dont ever have to ever sp farm but your explaining it wrong.
Having a gap of 1 or more is farming, so them having a "decent gap" is still farming just at a slower rate lol. Your telling people they dont need farm everything at once in a huge chunk. If someone wants to farm everything at once to get it over with let them, stop telling them that there way is bad. Its how they want to do it.

Falme away!

oops... flame away!

Ah! A thread where people will be encouraged to flame!

Stop being an ass and trying to start flame wars, Actions like that get you banned

[SuicideGrl]

this discussion is actually pretty good at the moment. keep it clean.

[John_Doe]

True be told nothing is really a wasyte of time-just all depends on you and how uyyou look at things.

[desolator144]

lol ohhhh noooo nobody buys gold when they're farming lol *rolls eyes* they all raise a character to a high lvl first to get the gold, transfer it to their lvl 16 character, and farm away. That makes farming at 16 SO MUCH FASTER! Everyone knows raising an entire other character first is way faster and anyone who says desolator's idea of farming at 50 when U actually have money is a communist lol. Okay sarcasm over you're totally right and if anyone flames you or I, they're a gold buying, cheating, botting, lvl 16 bastard who needs a life. The only advantage to farming at 16 is if your bot's well programmed for it rofl.

[PB_and_J]

>>>you're totally right and if anyone flames you or I, they're a gold buying, cheating, botting, lvl 16 bastard who needs a life. The only advantage to farming at 16 is if your bot's well programmed for it rofl.


I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or no, but I am in a guild where 90% of the people who joined farm at level 16 with 50k, 75k, 100k+ gp and they all did it 100% legitly.

[GaS]

Holy shit great post man and great points, thanks!! ^_^

[larvs]

farmed at those brown and white monkeys with base mastery of 42 as a pure int spear with crappy gear. at first it was boring (kinda ironic) then when you reach 9 gap and earn insanely fast amounts of sp, everything is actually exciting. you always see yourself as a hidden power just waiting to be provoked. i only closed the gap cuz i wanted to help out my union and guild. going from 42 to 60 actually drains about 60k sp. T_T

also, please don;t automatically say that a p2p game has a different result, no cheaters. WoW has gold sellers too. power levelers, and bots. again, the very first thing i saw when i logged into my lvl 1 dwarf account was another dwarf bot which was doing some major wall hunping.