Private SRO to be released soon

[IceCrash]

Well if you open up a private SRO server, and are not using Joymax's server files, then you must be using your own home-grown files. Who's to say these files will work any better than Joymax's? Is this private server being run by another company, or some home user? How much do you trust the home user?

Someone above pointed out that you will have to install 2 or 3 other programs on the client side to be able to use the private SRO server. If that's the case, I don't trust it.

Yes deacon would hax0r us all .

z0mg no! h4x plýsss!

[kane2007uk]

I'm in getting tired of those bots and lag

[YangKang]

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[PR0METHEUS]

Well if you open up a private SRO server, and are not using Joymax's server files, then you must be using your own home-grown files. Who's to say these files will work any better than Joymax's? Is this private server being run by another company, or some home user? How much do you trust the home user?

Someone above pointed out that you will have to install 2 or 3 other programs on the client side to be able to use the private SRO server. If that's the case, I don't trust it.

Yes deacon would hax0r us all .

Well I don't know Deacon at all, so I can't say anything there.

[non ego man]

Hope this clears the copyright/license part for you

Where'd you go to law school again?

Pretty much everything you've said in this thread is wrong. Although I doubt anyone would rely on anything you've said, I recommend anyone thinking about starting a private server get some additional information first.

[Airbeat]

World of Warcraft has this, and if u make a server popular, u might get donations from the players on it, so that u keep the server up ^^

(Srry if anyone posted this, i was too lazy to read) ^^

[non ego man]

World of Warcraft has this, and if u make a server popular, u might get donations from the players on it, so that u keep the server up ^^

2. Limitations on Your Use of World of Warcraft.

Your license to use World of Warcraft is limited by this Terms of Use and the World of Warcraft End User License Agreement which you were required to accept when you installed World of Warcraft. Limitations on your right to use World of Warcraft may include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:

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B. Only Blizzard Entertainment or its licensees have the right to host World of Warcraft! Accordingly, you may not host, provide matchmaking services for, or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard Entertainment as part of World of Warcraft, regardless of the method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying World of Warcraft, adding components to World of Warcraft, or using a utility program to host World of Warcraft.

[PR0METHEUS]

World of Warcraft has this, and if u make a server popular, u might get donations from the players on it, so that u keep the server up ^^

2. Limitations on Your Use of World of Warcraft.

Your license to use World of Warcraft is limited by this Terms of Use and the World of Warcraft End User License Agreement which you were required to accept when you installed World of Warcraft. Limitations on your right to use World of Warcraft may include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:

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B. Only Blizzard Entertainment or its licensees have the right to host World of Warcraft! Accordingly, you may not host, provide matchmaking services for, or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard Entertainment as part of World of Warcraft, regardless of the method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying World of Warcraft, adding components to World of Warcraft, or using a utility program to host World of Warcraft.

+1342354356

Thank you!

I'm too lazy to look through Joymax's terms, but I'm sure they have similar restrictions.

Keep in mind people, just because people do these things, and even collect donations, doesn't mean it's legal.

[PR0METHEUS]

They actually do purchase a license, but that's because they run their servers using joymax's server files (which are copyright protected). However, creating a private server like this doesn't violate the copyright law at all because you're running it on your own environment. (environment means the stuff you use to run it, in this case created by you or another person not in anyway related to joymax.)

Hope this clears the copyright/license part for you

Nope, not clear at all. What you said there doesn't even make sense. You say that companies that run the likes of vSRO are allowed to do it because they use Joymax's server files, and then you go on to say that people can run a private server because they run it on their own private network that Joymax doesn't own. On one hand, you're talking about Joymax software, on the other hand you're talking about private user's hardware enviroment.

You can't just take someone's application server software, run it on your own physical servers, and say it's ok, and that it doesn't violate copyright law.

[Ninja_Monkey]

I'm assuming you guys have never heard of "www.legendofmir.net" (Proper game)

and

http://www.thelegendofmir.com (private server)

Project 69 (priv) has been around for 4 years now and Wemade have tried to close it down many a time.

p69 has on standard around 200 + people playing at a time and gets quite a chunk of donation fee's due to selling ingame gold and what not. All fee's go to the upkeep of the dedicated line.

[non ego man]

I'm too lazy to look through Joymax's terms, but I'm sure they have similar restrictions.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.

① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder

[TwelveEleven]

Well if you open up a private SRO server, and are not using Joymax's server files, then you must be using your own home-grown files. Who's to say these files will work any better than Joymax's? Is this private server being run by another company, or some home user? How much do you trust the home user?

Someone above pointed out that you will have to install 2 or 3 other programs on the client side to be able to use the private SRO server. If that's the case, I don't trust it.

In the beginning all the private servers require such stuff. So did the WoW Private servers so did the RO private servers.

Just for the record: Would you trust the private server i would be running?
Or the one Deacon says he will be running.
To make it better if SRF would create their own private server? Would you trust it?

Nope, not clear at all. What you said there doesn't even make sense. You say that companies that run the likes of vSRO are allowed to do it because they use Joymax's server files, and then you go on to say that people can run a private server because they run it on their own private network that Joymax doesn't own. On one hand, you're talking about Joymax software, on the other hand you're talking about private user's hardware enviroment.

You can't just take someone's application server software, run it on your own physical servers, and say it's ok, and that it doesn't violate copyright law.

No I said they are allowed to use joymax's files, because they pay for it. Private servers are allowed to make a private server if and if only they make it through reverse-engineering (plainly said 'stealing' game data and making a run-environment for your own server). This way they aren't using any copyrighted files of joymax, and thus aren't liable.

Hope it's clear now.

[PR0METHEUS]

Just for the record: Would you trust the private server i would be running?
Or the one Deacon says he will be running.
To make it better if SRF would create their own private server? Would you trust it?

If that private server (yours, Deacons, or SRF's) requires me to install additional software, that is not part of the game, just to get the game to work, then no, I likely wouldn't trust it. I would at least try and find out what that software actually does to my system first.

No I said they are allowed to use joymax's files, because they pay for it. Private servers are allowed to make a private server if and if only they make it through reverse-engineering (plainly said 'stealing' game data and making a run-environment for your own server). This way they aren't using any copyrighted files of joymax, and thus aren't liable.

Hope it's clear now.

Often times, reverse-engineering isn't allowed. Someone above posted some text from Blizzard's terms, stating that reverse-engineering of their software is not allowed.

Besides....

(plainly said 'stealing' game data and making a run-environment for your own server)

Joymax's terms specifically state that all game data, including your account information, character data, etc, is Joymax property. Technically, you can't sell your SRO character on ebay, because you don't own that data (you own the time invested, but can't separate that from the data you do not own). So you shouldn't be able to "steal" that data, let alone all the other server data, to host on your own server.

I'm spending way too much time arguing this...

[non ego man]

Hope it's clear now.

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about. I can't say it any stronger than that. You do not understand copyright law and you are making statements that are provably false. Again, I doubt anyone believes you, but just in case they do, I'll suggest again: get more information.

I'm spending way too much time arguing this...

You and me both.

[TwelveEleven]

Just for the record: Would you trust the private server i would be running?
Or the one Deacon says he will be running.
To make it better if SRF would create their own private server? Would you trust it?

If that private server (yours, Deacons, or SRF's) requires me to install additional software, that is not part of the game, just to get the game to work, then no, I likely wouldn't trust it. I would at least try and find out what that software actually does to my system first.

No I said they are allowed to use joymax's files, because they pay for it. Private servers are allowed to make a private server if and if only they make it through reverse-engineering (plainly said 'stealing' game data and making a run-environment for your own server). This way they aren't using any copyrighted files of joymax, and thus aren't liable.

Hope it's clear now.

Often times, reverse-engineering isn't allowed. Someone above posted some text from Blizzard's terms, stating that reverse-engineering of their software is not allowed.

Besides....

(plainly said 'stealing' game data and making a run-environment for your own server)

Joymax's terms specifically state that all game data, including your account information, character data, etc, is Joymax property. Technically, you can't sell your SRO character on ebay, because you don't own that data (you own the time invested, but can't separate that from the data you do not own). So you shouldn't be able to "steal" that data, let alone all the other server data, to host on your own server.

I'm spending way too much time arguing this...

Well at least it's fun .

Also you're not really stealing their stuff that's why i put up the ''

And since you're running it with your own software it's allowed.

[non ego man]

since you're running it with your own software it's allowed.

I give up. I think now you are making shit up that you know is wrong just to get another response. So, I give up.

[PR0METHEUS]

since you're running it with your own software it's allowed.

I give up. I think now you are making shit up that you know is wrong just to get another response. So, I give up.

+1

[Crumpets]

since you're running it with your own software it's allowed.

I give up. I think now you are making shit up that you know is wrong just to get another response. So, I give up.

Srsly ego man don't even go there. People have countless times tried it on with 12/11 and I dunno he's just ignorant.

[non ego man]

Srsly ego man don't even go there. People have countless times tried it on with 12/11 and I dunno he's just ignorant.

+1 lol

[EwwBabel]

Waste of time, private servers are hacked more than originals. Also not as relliable and less players...


no fun?

[Hajime Saito]

Well if you open up a private SRO server, and are not using Joymax's server files, then you must be using your own home-grown files. Who's to say these files will work any better than Joymax's? Is this private server being run by another company, or some home user? How much do you trust the home user?

Someone above pointed out that you will have to install 2 or 3 other programs on the client side to be able to use the private SRO server. If that's the case, I don't trust it.

Yes deacon would hax0r us all .

Well I don't know Deacon at all, so I can't say anything there.

Well Deacon leads Defiance union in Oasis. Legit 100%. He won't hax no one. I can go beat him up if he does (he doesn't live to far away from me) BUT seriously he ain't leading a legit union for nothing. I'm not telling you to take my word. I'm just letting ya'll know i'm 120% behind him

[TwelveEleven]

since you're running it with your own software it's allowed.

I give up. I think now you are making shit up that you know is wrong just to get another response. So, I give up.

Srsly ego man don't even go there. People have countless times tried it on with 12/11 and I dunno he's just ignorant.

Honestly, if i'm wrong i'm wrong. But if it's illegal why are there so many private wow servers? And please you call me ignorant, but this is like the first real discussion w/o flaming that i've ever had on here..

Ok, i've just found out why it isn't illegal. The reason is:

You're not making money with it! If you were to sell it to people it WOULD be illegal, and you WOULD be legally pursued. Hope this settles it

[PR0METHEUS]

Yeah true, a lot of discussion without flames That's always a good thing.

[non ego man]

But if it's illegal why are there so many private wow servers?

I know this isn't going anywhere, but I'll take the bait (and only because I have a lot of work I'm trying to avoid for as long as possible).

By your argument, downloading music is now legal because...everyone is doing it. C'mon, dude, think this through. The game code copyright is owned by JM. That means every iteration of that game code, regardless of the server hosting it. A book doesn't lose it's copyright because I print it on the paper I bought myself at office depot. If Blizzard doesn't have the means to pursue action against every private server, it doesn't mean they've abandoned the copyright or that its legal to take their files. If you host a private server your are either 1) stealing their copyright (if you didn't agree to the EULA - ie hacked their servers) or 2) violating the EULA. Either way, it is illegal. End of story.

Now seriously, lots of work to do. Goodbye.

Edit:

You're killing me, dude. I really do have work to do.

Ok, i've just found out why it isn't illegal. The reason is:

You're not making money with it! If you were to sell it to people it WOULD be illegal, and you WOULD be legally pursued. Hope this settles it

Violation of copyright is not dependent on use of the subject material for commercial gain. The violation of copyright itself is a crime, not its sale. The sale of copyright material might be a factor in measuring damages, but not in the assesment of guilt in the first place.

Now please, stop "settling" this matter.

[TwelveEleven]

But if it's illegal why are there so many private wow servers?

I know this isn't going anywhere, but I'll take the bait (and only because I have a lot of work I'm trying to avoid for as long as possible).

By your argument, downloading music is now legal because...everyone is doing it. C'mon, dude, think this through. The game code copyright is owned by JM. That means every iteration of that game code, regardless of the server hosting it. A book doesn't lose it's copyright because I print it on the paper I bought myself at office depot. If Blizzard doesn't have the means to pursue action against every private server, it doesn't mean they've abandoned the copyright or that its legal to take their files. If you host a private server your are either 1) stealing their copyright (if you didn't agree to the EULA - ie hacked their servers) or 2) violating the EULA. Either way, it is illegal. End of story.

Now seriously, lots of work to do. Goodbye.

First of all, in my country (the netherlands) it IS legal to download anything you want. But the thing is, you don't use THEIR game code, you make your own. That's why it's hard to make a private server, and as long as you don't make profit from it, you're actually still being legal.

If you don't believe me i will try to find someone with a lot of knowledge to come and explain it to us fully.

[PR0METHEUS]

Honestly, if i'm wrong i'm wrong. But if it's illegal why are there so many private wow servers?

If it's illegal to sell crack, why are there so many drug dealers on the streets?

Ok, i've just found out why it isn't illegal. The reason is:

You're not making money with it! If you were to sell it to people it WOULD be illegal, and you WOULD be legally pursued. Hope this settles it

I really don't think you have to make money off of it for it to be illegal. Besides, even if the "not making money" thing held any ground, just the fact that you're taking potential customers away from Joymax by using Joymax's product... that can't be legal.

Seems that would be like me just handing out burnt copies of Windows XP (maybe with some modifications because Microsoft can't run a proper OS...) with my product key on the label to people on the streets. I'm not making money on it.

[TwelveEleven]

Honestly, if i'm wrong i'm wrong. But if it's illegal why are there so many private wow servers?

If it's illegal to sell crack, why are there so many drug dealers on the streets?

Ok you pwnt me on that one, but still. Neither Blizzard nor Joymax can take legal action.

I'll try to find an article or such to prove my point

[NuclearSilo]

Can we rent a lawyer to end this story...?

[non ego man]

you don't use THEIR game code, you make your own.

It's either SilkRoad or it ain't.

When you get "SilkStreet, the twelve/eleven legends" up and running, you post a link here and we'll all come play your game.

[non ego man]

Can we rent a lawyer to end this story...?

You're getting one for free.