About Hybrid Character

[phoenixtb]

Hello all

I am new on this fourm

I read a lot of guids and stuff about the game and i decided that i want to be an hybrid.

The problem is that in every single guide or tread is write that an hybrid that you level up him each level 2 str and 1 int is not good but didnt explain to much about that.

In the mintime i started an hybird 2int 1str (for now i do sp farm first with a bow and a spear) and i going to make him spear user with fire and l lightining and myaby as a sec weapon a bow (just for the fun of it).
and i know that for a bow you need str and not int and that part i didnt understund also because that in the bow statistics as outer weapon the mag dmg is higer then the phs dmg.

I really appreciate if somone will explain me what is the differences between int hybrid and str hybrid and what why int hybrid is better then str hybrid.

thanks

phoenixtb

[Rainigul]

It's a very complicated subject.

Pures are the best, I'll have you know. I'd really advise you to start again and be a pure, but if you really refuse to, then I guess it's your character.

Str hybrids are weaker than int hybrids because for one, int is more powerful than str in the first place. Also, builds in sro are all about balance.
Pure str has something like 95% physical balance and 30% magical balance.
Str hybrid has something like 90% physical balance and 35% magical balance.
This doesn't sound too bad, but look at this:

Here are some formulas explaining why str hybrids are so weak:

Damage:

Pure str:
Phy damage 1000~1200 * 95% = 950~1140
Mag damage 800~900 * 30% = 240~270
Tot damage 950~1140+240~270 = 1190~1410

Str hybrid:
Phy damage 990~1180 * 90% = 891~1062
Mag damage 810~920 * 35% = 283.5~322
Tot damage 891~1062+283.5~322 = 1174.5~1384

HP:

I forgot the hp formulas, but str hybrid has less hp, lol.

Anyways, str hybrid is weak, int hybrid is not as powerful as pure int, but that isn't a bad thing, because in place of power, they have hp.
It is not an even trade though.

What I mean by this is, let's say pure int has 100 power, and 10 hp.
An int hybrid would have something like 98 power, and 11 hp.
You see, power drops by more than what hp increases, hopefully that makes sense.

Anyways, you should be pure, it's just better.

[cin]

oi rainidude where u been?
been quiet around the forums

ontopic: there just havent been many succesful str hybrids yet. maybe none.

[glavie]

One of the great things about this game is it gives you complete control of your character.

You have a choice of having lots of health but low damage->pure strength
Very little health but high damage-> pure int.

What is neat is that you can also be anywhere in between the extremes.

Except for bow there is a weapon that enhances your build. For example a glavie reinforces a persons strength, and a spear reinforces a persons magic.
They both use the same weapon skills.

The reason why many people do not like going hybrid is because that to get the maximum benefit out of your weapon you would have to be pure.

Going int hybrid is common because Most people are willing to sacrifice some damage, which they have more than enough of, for some health.

I do know some strength hybrids who are very decent builds, but they are much more strength heavy then the 2points str 1 point int that you mention. People only do that because it is easy to keep track of where there points went. It is by no means the only way or the best way to become a hybrid.

If you plan on using magic attacks also called nukes you need to be an int hybrid. A spear/ bow user will work as a int hybrid, but eventually you will probably just stick to one weapon.

[Rainigul]

oi rainidude where u been?
been quiet around the forums

ontopic: there just havent been many succesful str hybrids yet. maybe none.

I was on holiday for 10 days, now I'm back
I was thinking so much about playing sro, but I've decided I'll officially retire unless I can get my hands on a nice lv 16 bow, then I'll farm for fun (Wtf? I like farming! No wai!)

Anyways, I know only 1 successful str hybrid: truegangsta, that guy is GOOD. His gear is only about average too, like all +4, and I think his glaive is +7.

Anyways, my calculations on damage pretty much put down hybrid strs, but if you add enough int, you can get more damage than a pure str, and still have pretty good hp.

[HyorunmarouZ]

Pures are the best, I'll have you know. I'd really advise you to start again and be a pure, but if you really refuse to, then I guess it's your character.

I'm sorry, but i disagree... in this game, at least at this stage, gear>build. So any build could be great if has good gear and if it's played smartly, it can even pwn more...

Everything else you said, i agree.

[Rainigul]

Pures are the best, I'll have you know. I'd really advise you to start again and be a pure, but if you really refuse to, then I guess it's your character.

I'm sorry, but i disagree... in this game, at least at this stage, gear>build. So any build could be great if has good gear and if it's played smartly, it can even pwn more...

Everything else you said, i agree.

Ehh, I half disagree.

I mean, I had a hybrid, and I won against all pures... Except for pure str blade. Just because gear can compensate for worse builds, doesn't mean that pures can't get better from gear as well.
It just happens to be that most hybrids are rich, usually because they started earlier than the pures, thus made some more money in the extra time they've been playing.

ANyways, it's true, right now hybrids are kindof the best... But it's only because of outdated skills. When the 90 cap with new skills come out, hybrids are going to be screwed really bad.
Pure ints will be able to tank better than int hybrids due to the fact they have more mana and most int hybrids are spear, thus they lack block. They will also do less damage, and pure strs will have insanely high hp at the 90 cap.
Str hybrids have always been terrible.

[HyorunmarouZ]

The only reason Hybrids will be screwed is the 300 mastery cap... so yeah, i agree with you that, at 90 cap hybrids won't be the best, unless they have perfect gear and play really good.

And if the mastery cap remains like that, only pure build will be able to survive... with the 140 cap (But as iSRO won't get that in a long time...).

[glavie]

The only reason Hybrids will be screwed is the 300 mastery cap... so yeah, i agree with you that, at 90 cap hybrids won't be the best, unless they have perfect gear and play really good.

And if the mastery cap remains like that, only pure build will be able to survive... with the 140 cap (But as iSRO won't get that in a long time...).

This is the second time I have heard this. Where do the 300 masteries come into play? It has nothing to do with weather you are pure or hybrid,

And gear is obviously important, but again, are you saying it isn't important for pure characters to have good gear?

And this whole thing about hybrids have more money so there gear is better. There are plenty of new hybrid characters everyday. Are you saying that the most experienced players in this game realize that hybrid is the best so they create hybrid characters?

Does anyone posting in this thread play a character with mana shield,

Please someone explain what is going on.

[glavie]

And where did you get those damage calculations from showing that hybrid str is weaker?

No one knows what the actual calculation is, but most people agree that adding int increases your damage and lowers your hp.

I am not saying str hybrids are good or bad. Just don't treat theories as fact.

[HyorunmarouZ]

I said about masteries because a hybrid needs the support of buffs/passives from more than 2 masteries... the final cap for SRO is planned for 2 masteries, which would be Light for INTs and Fire for STRs (Besides the weapon), but hybrids would need both trees to be sucessful, so, the higher the lvl cap, the more screwed the hybrids will be (if the mastery cap remains the same).

[Rainigul]

And where did you get those damage calculations from showing that hybrid str is weaker?

No one knows what the actual calculation is, but most people agree that adding int increases your damage and lowers your hp.

I am not saying str hybrids are good or bad. Just don't treat theories as fact.

I used to think that int added damage, but you have to have enough int. This is what like 97% of the people believe.

If you are so much str, adding int won't help damage, it'll weaken it.

my calculations are made up, but I'm sure they're fairly accurate.

[glavie]

I said about masteries because a hybrid needs the support of buffs/passives from more than 2 masteries... the final cap for SRO is planned for 2 masteries, which would be Light for INTs and Fire for STRs (Besides the weapon), but hybrids would need both trees to be sucessful, so, the higher the lvl cap, the more screwed the hybrids will be (if the mastery cap remains the same).

Well your right that eventually sro is heading towards only 2 skill trees. That doesn't mean every pure int player will be light based though. For example if this mana shield is as good as everyone seems to think it will be, then a number of ints will drop light for cold. Also many int players like the fire tree for the most powerful imbue and nukes. My point is that everyone will be making a sacrifice weather they are pure or go hybrid.

Right now for the 90 cap you can max 3 masteries, that should be plenty.
For max power you can still do fire, light, and weapon. Or people could drop either fire or light for cold defense.

Im not saying hybrids will rule in the future, I am not saying they rule right now. I just think they are a valid alternative.

There cant be any great build if everyone is the same. Everyone says gear is greater than build. Well I agree with that, especially if everyone is the same build. Lets watch a pure str fire, glavie fight a fire,light,glavie. Both players are wearing garms, Who will win?? Obviously the one with better gear.

I say be different, you might turn to crap or you might be greatness. most likely you will be mediocre. My hybrid build seems pretty average maybe below average. But the sword int hybrid I play seems like it is heading for greatness.

[glavie]

And where did you get those damage calculations from showing that hybrid str is weaker?

No one knows what the actual calculation is, but most people agree that adding int increases your damage and lowers your hp.

I am not saying str hybrids are good or bad. Just don't treat theories as fact.

I used to think that int added damage, but you have to have enough int. This is what like 97% of the people believe.

If you are so much str, adding int won't help damage, it'll weaken it.

my calculations are made up, but I'm sure they're fairly accurate.

If you look at a blade or glavie you notice that the mag attack is higher then the physical attack, why is this?? I don't really know, but that makes me think that going hybrid strength isnt as bad as many people think.

I fought a lvl 52 bladder pure str with a sos+5 blade, probably I didn't count the int and str on his gear but about 15 int and 15 str added to gear. With him running a 2 gap I could tank him all day.

I also fought a LVL 52 Hybrid bladder 1 gap with a sos+7 blade. His blues were a little better, maybe 20 int/20 str on his gear. I had him use fire book 2 because I am farming I only have ice book 2. I had to use a vigor about 1 every 4 seconds to tank him.

So Is it a great comparison, no its not. But a Hybrid with 11 stat points in int and 2 more + on weapon using a book lower fire did considerably more damage then the other bladder. If I just stood still I could have tanked the first bladder forever. The second bladder would have killed me in 10 seconds.

Does that mean hybrids are better, I don't think so, but they are definitely competative.