90cold/90light/90bicheon with update?

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:53 am

ok I'm farming at penon for my pure int s/s nuker. I was planning to delevel fire(43) and heurksal (30) once i'm done if 90 cap is out (I'm farming for 90 skill update :roll:

if I have the ball to :oops:

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so I was planning to go pure int and wear garm and s/s why?

I'll have 90 cold

-imbue allow me to take lower damage.
-Guard and passive will rock against phys damage
-mana shield will help against any form of damage
-no fire so my pure int and my garm are my main defense against int char

I'm planning to use light nuke as main damage spell with light imbue for popping status before nuke hit) and last book of ice nuke for huge aoe (cold imbue for status and damage). I'll also use bicheon with quad stab with probably light imbu or ice imbue depending of the situation.

so I want your opinion on this build:

-would it be hard to grind from 52 to 90 fully farmed with light nuke?
-Do you think light nuke will hit for it top damage if I have pacheon 30 and nice alchemy sword and shocking status pop?
- Do you think it'll be able to handle many build in pvp?

alZen · Post by **alZen** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:43 am

this build will be well balanced, along with spear/light/ice, with skills 71-90 available and fireshield fix for no immunity. the biggest threat will perhaps be against build with maxed ice imbue. no fire shield means you take longer time to pill off the freeze/frostbite ... and tanking is not the forte of pure ints.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:53 am

alZen wrote:this build will be well balanced, along with spear/light/ice, with skills 71-90 available and fireshield fix for no immunity. the biggest threat will perhaps be against build with maxed ice imbue. no fire shield means you take longer time to pill off the freeze/frostbite ... and tanking is not the forte of pure ints.

well i'll be using sword and shield so I wont get raped that much by frost (no succesive hit all time) and I might get 80% cold reduce so I should be able to pil it but yea freeze still stop a nuke

Miletus · Post by **Miletus** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:40 pm

get ice imbue thats what i am doing and the rest is the same as urs :p

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:28 pm

go prot, ull still get raped by str even with mana shield, 3 successive crits will end ur mana shield and take u 70~80% health cause of pure int, stuns will be quad hit... which sucks even more for ints, and u need time to rebuff (KD+ghost walk buff)

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:39 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:go prot, ull still get raped by str even with mana shield, 3 successive crits will end ur mana shield and take u 70~80% health cause of pure int, stuns will be quad hit... which sucks even more for ints, and u need time to rebuff (KD+ghost walk buff)

yea but I'll have shield and ice at 90 so agaisnt stun spammer I'll just kd with ice imbue and my ice passive +buff will be enough with a high br shield no?

Senjai · Post by **Senjai** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:46 pm

alZen wrote:this build will be well balanced, along with spear/light/ice, with skills 71-90 available and fireshield fix for no immunity. the biggest threat will perhaps be against build with maxed ice imbue. no fire shield means you take longer time to pill off the freeze/frostbite ... and tanking is not the forte of pure ints.

ditto

alZen · Post by **alZen** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:15 am

if folks feel good abt pure int spear or ss light/ice, and are dual weapon fans, can consider dropping ice for another weapon. spear would most likely get more HP passive, sword for more blocks, bows for higher AR.

just throwing more options into the hat.

these are fun ... but i'd stick wif cold for the chance to freeze/frostbite.

Kuribo · Post by **Kuribo** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:59 am

int need fire... is a LOT of diference of dmg

alZen · Post by **alZen** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:40 am

Kuribo wrote:int need fire... is a LOT of diference of dmg

your 1 liner is pointless. at least suggest an alternative build or you're just starting a full circle.

truez · Post by **truez** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:03 am

I Still dont get watz wrong in stayin wit Fire for the 90 cap .... :banghead:

Even though ICE is gonna get updated for 90 cap, why not stay with FIRE ???

can some1 take the pain to explain it better

Thank You.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:05 am

truez wrote:I Still dont get watz wrong in stayin wit Fire for the 90 cap ....
Even though ICE is gonna get updated for 90 cap, why not stay with FIRE ???

can some1 take the pain to explain it better
Thank You.

why should I stay with fire? light nuke hit harder, and only use of fire was buff, wich if I wear garm is not that awesome and phys atatck increase, i'm pure int... oh and fire shield but if they remove immune no point in this. so yea ice and light give more interesting stuff.

Estranged · Post by **Estranged** » Fri May 18, 2007 9:16 am

some lvl 70's plz respond, im interested also.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:00 am

-would it be hard to grind from 52 to 90 fully farmed with light nuke?
-Do you think light nuke will hit for it top damage if I have pacheon 30 and nice alchemy sword and shocking status pop?
- Do you think it'll be able to handle many build in pvp?

1 if you are fully farmed then leveling is a joke you wont regret a second of having 0 gap towards those levels (maybe on your wallet because you wont stay long in those higher levels, less chance for drops)

2 if i remember it correctly, light will get 2 new nukes and status effect will be your weak spot

3: its a smart build since you compensate both of your weaknesses (garments and the new ice buff + castle shield/walls) guess ice bow will be a strong enemy for you. (status effect)

firenukes will have more damage than light don`t forget that but rather compesate your weak spots than make that bit more damage.

BaronSengir · Post by **BaronSengir** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:27 pm

okay ill give my input as a level 80
1. for the people who are worried about farming

better get to work because the new skills are going to be very expensive sp wise you can use 10k sp in just 2 skills lol

2. 30 on pacheon will not really help you reason why is, you ever notice why your lightning nuke hits really hard sometimes and its super low sometimes? its because of the dmg gap between lightning nukes, its just to huge and 30 pacheon will definately not help this, but if you are going to get ice might as well get the nukes too

3. honestly the 90 cap is not coming anytime soon since we havent even got europe yet, so a little bit of fire wouldnt hurt you the choice is upto you but light / ice nuke should be find for farm/level up

4. you will be fine pvp with most builds but when it comes down to people who use the ice force then gg ice bow will kill you fast, heres a suggestion get fire to 30 i dont know what lv fire shield it gives you but its something and then get 20%x4 ice immune on jewelry

5. if you are thinking about the word tanking with a pure int build i am sorry then the build is not for you

6. for a pure int the fire tree is not really top priority its lightning tree thats going to be your main

Post by **Stress** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:12 pm

90 bich/heuk, 90 ice, 90 light, 30 fire.
But don't forget: fire has the pro nukes and imbue. Maybe the ice build isn't that strong. Time will prove it.
Regardless, the grinding power of the ice build will be great.

criticalss · Post by **criticalss** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:00 pm

ok im going to warn u guys that at 90 cap ice nuker r weak and almost weaker than glaives only with weak nukes and there if no fire sheidl "no immunity" fix

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:31 pm

Fat_Smurf wrote:
shadowman20875 wrote:go prot, ull still get raped by str even with mana shield, 3 successive crits will end ur mana shield and take u 70~80% health cause of pure int, stuns will be quad hit... which sucks even more for ints, and u need time to rebuff (KD+ghost walk buff)

yea but I'll have shield and ice at 90 so agaisnt stun spammer I'll just kd with ice imbue and my ice passive +buff will be enough with a high br shield no?

ur forgetting high br weps, they take away br of ur shield

flexo · Post by **flexo** » Sat May 19, 2007 3:08 am

I really don't get why ppl want ice imbue.. there is still some things in my 90 cap build i'm doubting about but that I will take lightning imbue is for sure.. slowing them down.. is bs it is at the 80 cap and it still will be at the 90 one. Especially as a nuker cause you don't have to high amount of hits/min as a blader so your chance of hitting a freeze/frostbite are low.

Only thing I haven't figured out yet is If i go spear or s/s. Either more hp and dmg or more def. Cause right now i'm dual weapon fire/light gonna keep that till the cap. But I notice that I never use my s/s anymore. Bladers don't do enough dmg for me to need shield. Nukers I need to kill fast no extra def is gonna do anything.. (unless I got block but I ain't praying for that everytime I pvp some nuker)... basicly it's a "who hits 2 times first battle"
and glavie.. well some phantom away and I can pretty much take the dmg from them too. So really switching to s/s is becomming more and more a waste of time. But maybe at 64+ that will chance I'll see then. At 80 cap I'll know for sure wich one i'm gonna take.. right now.. i'm leaning towards spear.

And about going fire/light to the cap.. well i'm sure gonna miss my firewall. But basicly you got the mana shield receiving the dmg and the kd and stun prevent you got with the icewall. Only thing you miss is the temporary ice immunity. And ofcourse the higher dmg from the fire imbue/fire nuke. But as a nuker you don't need more dmg... you need more def. And I'm kind of hoping that the dmg drop won't be that bad. But i'm gonna let somebody else try it out.. before I delevel fire. Untill that time..fire/light is still the strongest nuker build.

criticalss · Post by **criticalss** » Sat May 19, 2007 4:19 am

flexo wrote: Untill that time..fire/light is still the strongest nuker build.

of course fire will always be strongest. if you look at maxed nukes its over 3x stronger. the point of a nuker is to deal the most damage and kill things from afar and run. if you go ice i kinda ruins the point cuz ur nukes will only be as strong as a pure str bow...

TibusOfVenice · Post by **TibusOfVenice** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:15 am

as a level 80 my build for next cap will be
90 light

-Obvious reasons, everything in this tree is used as a nuker

90 Bicheon

-Quad stab sounds nice with KD and such XDD

90 cold

-Phy defence, Mana shield, freezing moves(maybe?) , Possibly cold nukes, I think more helpful than fire at the 90 cap for intelligence characters

30 heuksal
i guess for the hp buff, even though its a little bit i guess every little bit helps.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:25 am

criticalss wrote:
flexo wrote: Untill that time..fire/light is still the strongest nuker build.

of course fire will always be strongest. if you look at maxed nukes its over 3x stronger. the point of a nuker is to deal the most damage and kill things from afar and run. if you go ice i kinda ruins the point cuz ur nukes will only be as strong as a pure str bow...

actually light nuke have higher damage possibility than fire but lower too so you need ton of attack rating to use it correctly I think the best dmager would be a pure int spear with maxed pacheon and light nuke +light imbue. but it's ridiculous ^^

flexo · Post by **flexo** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:13 am

criticalss wrote:
flexo wrote: Untill that time..fire/light is still the strongest nuker build.

of course fire will always be strongest. if you look at maxed nukes its over 3x stronger. the point of a nuker is to deal the most damage and kill things from afar and run. if you go ice i kinda ruins the point cuz ur nukes will only be as strong as a pure str bow...

well yeah ice will be weaker but you will still have a light nuke. And you'll be able to tank, i've seen a pure int s/s tank against 4 pure str i mean.. that sure got my attention.
Right now I'm not even sure if i'm gonna go ice, it's just a posibility I keep very open right now. fire/light won't stop existing i think but cold/ice will become a very big and strong build.
And honestly I don't know with the new skills from glavie I've seen if any nuker can go without the new mana shield. But we'll have to wait. I'm gonna let some ppl test it out first before I'm gonna delvl my whole fire tree.