Fire imbue vs. Cold imbue

[mushrooms]

I still wonder how many people actually have full ice immunity. >__> Maybe I should turn that into a poll now hehe.

[hemagoku]

fire of course fire=power+burn ice=freeze+weakest imbue power
so if someone uses pills he can get rid of the ice and the burns so then fire=power only and ice=weakest imbue power
so fire damages more so i choose fire

[Stress]

Unconsidering immunity, Cold imbue is better.

The build... It depends, but most will say full str bow.

At what? Doing low damage?

+1 Cold imbue damage is awful.

[Heaven_King]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

[LadyB]

Both is better in a way.

Cold: 20% of SRO players are ice immune, so that makes them better in a way. The frost guard series and passive helps pure int and hybrid ints alot because it makes them have more physical defense. Plus, The Frost Novas look uber cool, and the other moves just defensive moves.

Fire: 35% of SRO players are immune to Burn, but that 65% suffer alot from burn which makes fire better in another way. The fire shield series protects you from from status effects, the flame body increases physical damage, fire protection reduces magical effects and thats about it. The other are just defensive moves as well.

So basically, the only way to determine which one is better is if you try it out yourself.

[MastaChiefX]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

Please then Sir,
Tell me an actual response.
Because to be honest, you must not have read much if "this is from very very far the dumbest thing ive EVER read." If you actually READ more frequently , you would know this makes no sence whatsoever.

So please, share.

[EsQuiRe]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

lol what part of what he said did u not understand.

Fire has 3 essential buffs (physical attack, fire shield, and mag protection)
cold has 1 essential buff ( ice guard for phy protection). sounds pretty straighforward to me.

and yes ice imbue is way superrior for training especially if u are a blader

[MastaChiefX]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

lol what part of what he said did u not understand.

Fire has 3 essential buffs (physical attack, fire shield, and mag protection)
cold has 1 essential buff ( ice guard for phy protection). sounds pretty straighforward to me.

and yes ice imbue is way superrior for training especially if u are a blader

how so?

[EsQuiRe]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

lol what part of what he said did u not understand.

Fire has 3 essential buffs (physical attack, fire shield, and mag protection)
cold has 1 essential buff ( ice guard for phy protection). sounds pretty straighforward to me.

and yes ice imbue is way superrior for training especially if u are a blader

how so?

u can aggro a bunch of mobs on u while freezing and frost biting them gives u time to kill each one and not waste too many hp pots.

[MastaChiefX]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

lol what part of what he said did u not understand.

Fire has 3 essential buffs (physical attack, fire shield, and mag protection)
cold has 1 essential buff ( ice guard for phy protection). sounds pretty straighforward to me.

and yes ice imbue is way superrior for training especially if u are a blader

how so?

u can aggro a bunch of mobs on u while freezing and frost biting them gives u time to kill each one and not waste too many hp pots.

Eh I disagree. I can tank like 10 of the mob I grind on, and dont need to use frost or anything like that. Normally, I like to kill them as fast as possible. Also, since I'm a blader, I'm trying to do as much damage as possible, and cold actually gives the lowest damage. Also, its not that "20%" are immune, but more like 75%+. Much more people are frost immune compared to fire immune.

[EsQuiRe]

Considering the buffs and other stuff in cold tree and fire tree is fire imbue still better?

Lets put it this way.
Cold has 1 buff.
Fire has 3.
Enough?

This is from very very far the DUMBEST thing ive EVER read.

lol what part of what he said did u not understand.

Fire has 3 essential buffs (physical attack, fire shield, and mag protection)
cold has 1 essential buff ( ice guard for phy protection). sounds pretty straighforward to me.

and yes ice imbue is way superrior for training especially if u are a blader

how so?

u can aggro a bunch of mobs on u while freezing and frost biting them gives u time to kill each one and not waste too many hp pots.

Eh I disagree. I can tank like 10 of the mob I grind on, and dont need to use frost or anything like that. Normally, I like to kill them as fast as possible. Also, since I'm a blader, I'm trying to do as much damage as possible, and cold actually gives the lowest damage. Also, its not that "20%" are immune, but more like 75%+. Much more people are frost immune compared to fire immune.

well of course u can tank the mobs but with ice imbue u kill mobs jus as fast as u would if u used fire ( btw i got both imbues maxed so i know). by using petal sword and snake sword u can draw many mobs to yourself and they come to u slower giving u a chance to finish off the onces the get to u. combine that with your chains and each mob shouldnt get more then 2 hits off on u. and ice imbue for me is strictly for training and buggin the shit out of ppl who arent immune 72+

[Black_Mamba]

Book 4 maxed against each other and book 1, so where's this big dmg difference then and where's the low dmg lol? Unless you've actually experimented with them and taken them to the max then you can't really go by just what the descriptions say. There's only a 400 dmg difference here between fire 1 and 4. The dmg varies with both imbues but as far as max dmg differences go there's none as far I can see, certainly nothing like you'd expect.

[Disconn3cted]

i shall prove there is almost no difference between the imbues

poison fire force lvl 7 dmg (fire lvl 57)



lvl 1 book 1 cold imbue (cold lvl 11)




lvl 1 book 1 light imbue (light lvl 52)



if my ice and lightning imbues were farmed they would be almost the same dmg as my fire but based on the buffs other skills in the set etc...i think lightning is the best because its defensive buff (concentration) will lower the dmg of both magic attack and phy attacks

[EsQuiRe]

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Book 4 maxed against each other and book 1, so where's this big dmg difference then and where's the low dmg lol? Unless you've actually experimented with them and taken them to the max then you can't really go by just what the descriptions say. The dmg varies with both imbues but as far as max dmg differences go there's none as far I can see, certainly nothing like you'd expect.

lol very true. with both book 4 ice and fire imbue maxed there is hardly any difference in damage. ice is the clear winner for grinding

[TwelveEleven]

[sarcasm]Black Mamba that's so photoshopped [/sarcasm]

Ghehe nice too know .

So it's actually freeze against burn dmg.

Black how much does the burn do per dmg burn? (Amount of dmg it does to a player per burn (the yellow number))

[Black_Mamba]

You mean the amount of status effect? Their 158 status at 69. I'm not sure of an actual yellow number.

Actual burn dmg doesn't really do anything, it drains their hp but it effects it so slowly, it's nothing like the ice status effects. As you can see there's no real dmg differences so I prefer to use ice for grinding and even pvp too I have no problem killing people with it even if they are immune, if their not then it's a bonus. Grinding though it's especially good, and with fire nukes you get burn dmg anyway, fire's the only imbue which doesn't allow your monster to get two status effects.

With the 90 skills, fire is more ideal for str's given that the dmg may have a slight difference although I've yet to see it and ice being better for ints especially with the immune fixed, the frozen/frostbite effects are supposed to counter balance your lack of defense by freezing your opponents.

PS Nice examples Disconnected, book 3 fire against book 1 ice, again showing there's barely any difference and I can see from the dmg's that your able to 1 shot them with lvl 1 ice too just as easily.

[Fat_Smurf]

on a bowazon ur crit hurt enough so you should take cold if there is no immunity. that will mean uber kick ass freeze and slow so you can kite ^^

[Xiao_xin]

If there was no immunity, which would be awsome!

I would definitely go Ice.

[ZeFrog]

The protection granted by the Mag Def buff for fire is minimal at best given the incredibly huge damage mag attacks can do....so I'd write that off...

The DOT effects from the fire imbue is more easily pilled off then the effects from the Ice imbue...with the effects from ice imbue they'd still have to wait a second or two before being able to attack again even after they pill it off...

...I really don't see the whole idea with comparing a wall with a battering ram....they both have their purpose...arguing which one is better seems rather idiotic to me...meh

[Aviator]

Cold, but that's because I'm an int planning for the 90 cap.

me 2
me goin' spear, cold lightning but me 36 now
a long way to go

btw imbue doesn't effect pure str and nukes much, so for these use cold or light
otherwise use fire for int weapon attacks.

[Deacon]

If there was no immunity, which would be awsome!

I would definitely go Ice.

IF YEAH. But as long we can be imume to it.. Its useless

[Black_Mamba]

Why is it useless if the dmg's are basically the same and the status effect is more useful?

Sure in pvp if their immune it doesn't have any use but burn is pretty much useless with or without immunity, it doesnt really take much hp off anything.

[PB_and_J]

Why is it useless if the dmg's are basically the same and the status effect is more useful?

Sure in pvp if their immune it doesn't have any use but burn is pretty much useless with or without immunity, it doesnt really take much hp off anything.

Ya lol, unless 16000 is now lower then 15000...Or am I missing something....

[[SD]happynoobing]

i know this has nothing to do with imbues but what about the difference in dmg for nukes?

[Black_Mamba]

Yeah there's differences in those, an ice nuke doesn't do as much as a fire nuke. It's just the imbues, like if you used a different imbue for the same nuke then their the same. But actual skills differ.

[PB_and_J]

As if we don't need more proof, here is some.

Ice mastery - 32
Fire mastery - 43
Light mastery - 43

All of these screens are the FIRST nuke I used, I did not rig it to only capture high damages of ice, and low for fire etc.

Level 1 book 1 light imbue



Fire (maxed book 2)





Ice (second book is only level 2)





Wait's for all the fire fanboys....

[NuclearSilo]

jeez, ppl say fire imbue is stronger without realizing how much dmg is stronger. The difference of dmg of fire lvl 3 book 4 and ice lvl 3 book 4 is 160 dmg. With 80% mastery increase, the output dmg will be 288
If u are Str, u has only 28% mag balance => 80 dmg
Also, multiply this with your skill's multiplier.

[EsQuiRe]

The protection granted by the Mag Def buff for fire is minimal at best given the incredibly huge damage mag attacks can do....so I'd write that off...

umm book 3 lvl 7 (maxed) has 91 mag defence increase...thats not a write off

[Cerus]

Max everything!

At 80 just do these:

Bow : 80
Ice : 80
Fire : 80
Light : 80

Perfecttt

[[SD]happynoobing]

Max everything!

At 80 just do these:

Bow : 80
Ice : 80
Fire : 80
Light : 80

Perfecttt

lol the mastery cap is 300, and 4*80=320 you wont make it. plus the cap is going to be raise to 90 so you can have 4*90 because that's 360.