Yoo, hey everybody, id apreciate your help on an archer qs!

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Thu May 10, 2007 6:38 pm

Alright, so id really like to be an archer, but i see archers that do such lame dmg, and ive seen some tht really pwn, id like to know how can you make an archer that pwns, and im really sorry but pure str doesnt seem to be good cause they fking suk! I mean cmon....

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Thu May 10, 2007 6:42 pm

Acher that pwns = guy who has a sox bow or a +5 and normally buys gold or bots
Acher that suxs = a guy who doesn't have alot of money and has a crappy wepon

tomiotar · Post by **tomiotar** » Thu May 10, 2007 7:17 pm

Tasdik wrote:Acher that pwns = guy who has a sox bow or a +5 and normally buys gold or bots
Acher that suxs = a guy who doesn't have alot of money and has a crappy wepon

So easy accuse people to use bot or buy gold. I hope you start to think before talk because you have no idea about you are talking.

Going back to toppic if you dont want to be str you have to decide how much int you will put in your build. Nothing is for free, you can obtain a significant amount on the damage putting many point on int but that doesnt mean that you will pawn. When I fight other nukers of my levels they can do on me between 5 and 7k each nuke, and you have to have enough HP to resist 2 nukes (consider that you will pot on the middle but you will not get to full HP) because at least in my case I can 2-hit them. As bowmen you will be hitting stronger than the classical glavier but you dont have stun and they have it and even doing lots of phantom walk they will manage to do it and you have to survive to this moment.

But remember the most important thing about the archer, the archer use their range to use their skills (that are slower but stronger). If you forget that fact and go directly to tank a glavier the only way that you will survive is that you gear is much better than his gear.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Thu May 10, 2007 7:35 pm

tomiotar wrote:
Tasdik wrote:Acher that pwns = guy who has a sox bow or a +5 and normally buys gold or bots
Acher that suxs = a guy who doesn't have alot of money and has a crappy wepon

So easy accuse people to use bot or buy gold. I hope you start to think before talk because you have no idea about you are talking.

Going back to toppic if you dont want to be str you have to decide how much int you will put in your build. Nothing is for free, you can obtain a significant amount on the damage putting many point on int but that doesnt mean that you will pawn. When I fight other nukers of my levels they can do on me between 5 and 7k each nuke, and you have to have enough HP to resist 2 nukes (consider that you will pot on the middle but you will not get to full HP) because at least in my case I can 2-hit them. As bowmen you will be hitting stronger than the classical glavier but you dont have stun and they have it and even doing lots of phantom walk they will manage to do it and you have to survive to this moment.

But remember the most important thing about the archer, the archer use their range to use their skills (that are slower but stronger). If you forget that fact and go directly to tank a glavier the only way that you will survive is that you gear is much better than his gear.

+1

I would definetly hybridize as a bow, but finding the right balance is a fine line. Too much int and your hp will be too low to tank when you need to, and not enough int, you may as well be pure str cause a ratio like 5:1 or something wont raise your damage enough to compensate for the loss of the hp. I really dont like the idea of an INT hybrid bow (the 70:70) just for the simple fact that you can have the best tactics in the world, but at the cap, you wont be able to kill anything before it gets to you (pvp wise) so tanking at some point is very necessary. You need the HP so you can take a few shots and gain distance.

I really have no idea what my balances are atm, cant remember, lol, but at 77 naked, i had just over 12k hp, with gear & GDF, close to 16k. I would do up a rough estimate on that char builder thing, but i cant do it at work. So i will leave that up to you.

For damage, i would say it does pretty dam good. While doing a thief spawn yesterday, i had to zerk on a group of like 10 orange thieves that gangbanged me, and since i still had zerk left afterwards, i turned on a mangyang, lol, crit it for 14.5k over the cap (77 with 69 skills btw). Crits are still just as deadly from what ive seen. I can 2 shot mages so grinding is great.

Soon i will be capped and the real test of whether or not this build can work will begin.

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Thu May 10, 2007 7:49 pm

This is me 3 hitting a Full Int S/S Fire/Light char of same lvl with a +1 bow.
(Strong Bow + Anti-Devil + Nuke)
He's got +3 shield and +3 sword:

Not a bad dmg...
My char survived only 3 from 6 fights because i have no garment set atm
and was using Large HP pots.
Ill post some SS vs Str as soon as possible.

taintofsleep · Post by **taintofsleep** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:05 am

you should be 1 hitting that guy... but you're a 70:70 build aren't you?

(Ted Nugent Rocks haha)

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:11 am

taintofsleep wrote:you should be 1 hitting that guy... but you're a 70:70 build aren't you?

(Ted Nugent Rocks haha)

No, i put a lot more in Int.
90:60...
If i was Full Int i could 1 hit kill him, but i would die before it happen.

taintofsleep · Post by **taintofsleep** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:14 am

oh, wow thats kinda crazy. and your using black hawk? why?

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:14 am

taintofsleep wrote:oh, wow thats kinda crazy. and your using black hawk? why?

No, it's the blue one.

Oo

taintofsleep · Post by **taintofsleep** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:31 am

rofl my bad, it looks kinda dark. I just saw the blue tint when I looked closer

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:37 am

puer str archers pwn at lvl 80 , they can own all pure int and hybrids .

they can own glaives 2 . they just gotta have ther quick key bar set up right with the right skills

they cant own bladers they are owning cuz they block 2 much.

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:39 am

Heaven_King wrote:This is me 3 hitting a Full Int S/S Fire/Light char of same lvl with a +1 bow.
(Strong Bow + Anti-Devil + Nuke)
He's got +3 shield and +3 sword:

Not a bad dmg...
My char survived only 3 from 6 fights because i have no garment set atm
and was using Large HP pots.
Ill post some SS vs Str as soon as possible.

ur a pure int , archers arnt that good with pure int , better with str

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:45 am

hitman144 wrote:puer str archers pwn at lvl 80 , they can own all pure int and hybrids .

they can own glaives 2 . they just gotta have ther quick key bar set up right with the right skills

they cant own bladers they are owning cuz they block 2 much.

Wrong.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:36 am

Heaven_King wrote:
taintofsleep wrote:you should be 1 hitting that guy... but you're a 70:70 build aren't you?

(Ted Nugent Rocks haha)

No, i put a lot more in Int.
90:60...
If i was Full Int i could 1 hit kill him, but i would die before it happen.

rofl thats funny cuz im pure str and i own int's with 1 strongbow and dont come even close to dying.

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:30 am

Dude, wow elisd u really made me excited, cause guys
the last days, ive been pvping a lot since i got the last book of kd.
Im a hybrid int sworder and...i pwned several times a pure str archer lvl 69.... and i dont have som or full sos, just a +4 sword :S.
And i saw a friend of mine in the cavfes that with a sos bow was doing 2.3k and sometimes 3.5k to mobs id do 6k crit with my kd >.<!
And btw that friend of mine had sos bow lvl 64 >.<''
Anyways, i think archers can pwn if they have the right build and know what to do^^, but i dunno how to make one >.<.
Elisd and everybody else can you help me?

HertogJan · Post by **HertogJan** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:41 am

IceSworder wrote:Dude, wow elisd u really made me excited, cause guys
the last days, ive been pvping a lot since i got the last book of kd.
Im a hybrid int sworder and...i pwned several times a pure str archer lvl 69.... and i dont have som or full sos, just a +4 sword :S.
And i saw a friend of mine in the cavfes that with a sos bow was doing 2.3k and sometimes 3.5k to mobs id do 6k crit with my kd >.<!
And btw that friend of mine had sos bow lvl 64 >.<''
Anyways, i think archers can pwn if they have the right build and know what to do^^, but i dunno how to make one >.<.
Elisd and everybody else can you help me?

More details would be nice if youre going to say archer is weak. So youre friend has a sos 64 bow, is he pure str? fighting orange mobs? gapping? Get youre facts straight before you start accusing people please.

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:21 pm

MrFudge wrote:
Heaven_King wrote:
taintofsleep wrote:you should be 1 hitting that guy... but you're a 70:70 build aren't you?

(Ted Nugent Rocks haha)

No, i put a lot more in Int.
90:60...
If i was Full Int i could 1 hit kill him, but i would die before it happen.

rofl thats funny cuz im pure str and i own int's with 1 strongbow and dont come even close to dying.

LOL
So you can Kill some int sometimes...
And where are your credits on it?
Because Full Int has the lowest Phy Defense in the game,
SO what a "big shit", you can kill a full int, pff haha.
Id like to see you fighting a blader, or a glaiver, or other full str bow,
or a Hybrid like my char, or even a full Int fire/light Shield.
That would be funny.
Second, Full Str has the lowest Mag defenses in the game.
If you are Full Str bow you have no aditional Mag defense, no Shield, no nothing.
Now say hello to the Fire/Light nukes.

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:59 pm

HertogJan wrote:
IceSworder wrote:Dude, wow elisd u really made me excited, cause guys
the last days, ive been pvping a lot since i got the last book of kd.
Im a hybrid int sworder and...i pwned several times a pure str archer lvl 69.... and i dont have som or full sos, just a +4 sword :S.
And i saw a friend of mine in the cavfes that with a sos bow was doing 2.3k and sometimes 3.5k to mobs id do 6k crit with my kd >.<!
And btw that friend of mine had sos bow lvl 64 >.<''
Anyways, i think archers can pwn if they have the right build and know what to do^^, but i dunno how to make one >.<.
Elisd and everybody else can you help me?

More details would be nice if youre going to say archer is weak. So youre friend has a sos 64 bow, is he pure str? fighting orange mobs? gapping? Get youre facts straight before you start accusing people please.

Hey, take a shitbreak dude..i wasnt acusing anybody, i just said his damage is low, and he was fighting white mobs, gapping or not i dont know.
Just chill i wasnt acusing anybody, cmon let not spoil this tpic i really need help^_^

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Fri May 11, 2007 4:50 pm

IceSworder wrote:
HertogJan wrote:
IceSworder wrote:Dude, wow elisd u really made me excited, cause guys
the last days, ive been pvping a lot since i got the last book of kd.
Im a hybrid int sworder and...i pwned several times a pure str archer lvl 69.... and i dont have som or full sos, just a +4 sword :S.
And i saw a friend of mine in the cavfes that with a sos bow was doing 2.3k and sometimes 3.5k to mobs id do 6k crit with my kd >.<!
And btw that friend of mine had sos bow lvl 64 >.<''
Anyways, i think archers can pwn if they have the right build and know what to do^^, but i dunno how to make one >.<.
Elisd and everybody else can you help me?

More details would be nice if youre going to say archer is weak. So youre friend has a sos 64 bow, is he pure str? fighting orange mobs? gapping? Get youre facts straight before you start accusing people please.

Hey, take a shitbreak dude..i wasnt acusing anybody, i just said his damage is low, and he was fighting white mobs, gapping or not i dont know.
Just chill i wasnt acusing anybody, cmon let not spoil this tpic i really need help^_^

What more exactly are you looking for?

Strategy will have to be one of your strongest points, but this is something you have to practice to perfect. Balance is also mostly personal preference. Im not just gonna say "well im doing good, just use my balances" because though i am getting what i want out of my character, im not capped, not quite farmed, i havent pvp'd to the extent that most people have, and it might not be the same as what you are looking for in a character.

The best help you can get is experience.

If you ever wanna check out Oasis, gimmie a shout, i'll give you a guided tour, lol

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:21 pm

id love an archer that could deal loads of dmg, but that still could tank for a while, and i know thats possible cause ive seen few archers like that >.<

Waisha · Post by **Waisha** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:19 pm

g o o d g e a r .

get that in to your mind.

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:33 pm

Waisha wrote:g o o d g e a r .

get that in to your mind.

g o o d f o u n d a t i o n f o r y o u r g o o d g e a r

Good gear is a must for any build. Hes asking for an opinion on a build. Get THAT into YOUR mind.

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Fri May 11, 2007 9:46 pm

yea, id apreciate some help asap...
btw ellis, whats about that guide tour

EllisD · Post by **EllisD** » Fri May 11, 2007 9:49 pm

IceSworder wrote:yea, id apreciate some help asap...
btw ellis, whats about that guide tour

Well im in the Pacific time zone, usually on after dinner. If you wanna create a newb on Oasis shoot me a pm (ign in my sig)

HertogJan · Post by **HertogJan** » Sat May 12, 2007 9:16 am

I am a pure str bow, currently not lvling but being the lvl 69 newb that gets killed shitloads by lvl 73+. I have a 4 gap with my bow and fire skills and a 10 or bigger gap with my lighting and ice skills.

I am allowed to say I can kill ALMOST, not everybody, almost everybody that is 69 also. However all my gear, besides my hands, is +3 or +4 and I have a 69sos+5 garm chest. That might help a bit while pvping ^^.

I am totally for the str bow user. However I am planning on making a hybrid one after this one reaches cap or is fully farmed. Just wanna see if it really makes a difference.

For str bower, just play youre character right, use phantom walk and fire castle loads. Loads of people will acuse you of running away, but if you tell them to take stun/knockback/knockdown away from there build and then you will take range away from youre build. They usually shut it. =)

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:41 pm

Heaven_King wrote:
MrFudge wrote:
Heaven_King wrote:
taintofsleep wrote:you should be 1 hitting that guy... but you're a 70:70 build aren't you?

(Ted Nugent Rocks haha)

No, i put a lot more in Int.
90:60...
If i was Full Int i could 1 hit kill him, but i would die before it happen.

rofl thats funny cuz im pure str and i own int's with 1 strongbow and dont come even close to dying.

LOL
So you can Kill some int sometimes...
And where are your credits on it?
Because Full Int has the lowest Phy Defense in the game,
SO what a "big shit", you can kill a full int, pff haha.
Id like to see you fighting a blader, or a glaiver, or other full str bow,
or a Hybrid like my char, or even a full Int fire/light Shield.
That would be funny.
Second, Full Str has the lowest Mag defenses in the game.
If you are Full Str bow you have no aditional Mag defense, no Shield, no nothing.
Now say hello to the Fire/Light nukes.

um ok hello fire light nukes which take about 4 of them to kill me cuz of garmets, an anti devil and arrow combo kills all int's (even hybrid if crit, if non crit add a demon arrow and theyre down).

as for blader, glaviers, and other full str bows..theyre harder to beat, but my crits outdamage glaives and blades everytime, and its not hard with a good crit bow+ the attack's crit increase.

also distance is so dam easy cuz flying dragon and blade ranges attacks are WEAK, all you have to do is phantom away and by the time they catch up theyre at 50% hp.

if you know how to use a bow, then you own. There are way too many noob archers out there giving us a bad rep.

Stephanus · Post by **Stephanus** » Sat May 12, 2007 7:25 pm

SOM + SOSUN armors ftw.
^^
My main char is retired, coz the bot crisis on bunwangs, im making gold to buy some nice equips, but...

So there was a topic with a title "sosun armor or garment"
Sosun armor, definitely. Survivability rises dramaticly, you are almost invincible^^
Sosun garment are good for lower lvl-s and for pve.

For the topic:
im making a s/s bow heavy int hibryd. For range bow, and if he/she closes in, i put to use my 19br shield

and nuke.

bicheon/pacheon/fire/lightning dual weapon build. That is.

HertogJan · Post by **HertogJan** » Sat May 12, 2007 8:36 pm

sosun armors for ints maybe. Sosun garms for str obviously.

Besides that, good luck with youre hybrid bow. I can take hybrid bows my lvl easy. Bows do depend on crits, not on average damage each arrow. I can tank that average damage they do easy. However, they dont have the HP to survive 1 or 2 crits from me.

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:51 am

HEy Hey Hey!
A friend of mine gave a farmed to lvl 25 archer and he only added 6 int to it!.
Can anybody give me hints on a build=stats ratio

sunmoon · Post by **sunmoon** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:05 am

& y do archers use strong bow when devil arrow is way stronger & takes a second less to execute :roll:

it's pretty hard for archer to survive/own unless they ghost walk every once in a while...& glave skills are much stronger than bow skills, not to also mention that glave/blade has better stats than bow