PLAYER BOTTERS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM AT ALL.! READ WHY

[Waisha]

this is about traffic.

care to explain?

[UniQ]

jeees. ok. when i say spots i dnt mean literally. butas we all no the server has a capacity....

i use the term spot as 1 person logs in and adds 1 to the capacity. no??

so....
bot = 1spot
staller = 1/10 spot

[jleyens]

lol.

next time ur in the game and u see 10 people stalling all night then u see 10 bots grinding all night....

"TELL ME THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2"

that will be the day i give in[/quote]

[KimaEri]

You people are going to complain and argue about this crap till the day the universe explodes...

There is no solution to this other than you:

A. STFU and deal with it.
B. Quit, go play another game.
C. Kill yourself for being retarded and complaining/arguing over meaningless shit.

...pick an option...I dare you!

I picked B a LONG LONG time ago. Now you're turn

I'm not quitting...
I chose "A" the day I started playing.

...and yes...I am here complaining about people complaining! (OxyMoron)

...but when I come to these forums...I expect to see someone posting about there Lv 72 (+3) Seal of Sun Glavie full blues, or how they edited the .pk2 files to make the breasts of a charcter bigger than water mellons.

I do NOT come here to listen to people whining about "oh the bots", "oh the server traffic" cause its constant...day after day after day after day...

ENOUGH!!!

[dE4]

how long do you think your "bob 1" can survive without his bot? 1h, 2h ,12h, 1d or 2days after that he will quit because now he actually will have to play the game what includes getting your levels by hand.

u said it urself.. if u didnt bot u would have to hand grind......

SO WHAT. you are STILL on the server.. STILL taking the same spot. still online. still adding to traffic

Ok, lets make this easier for you to understand.

Server 1
Current slots: 1000
60% bots
20% stalls
20% legits(not stalling)
idle bandwidth: 1kb/s
active bandwidth: 5kb/s

max bandwidth 4000kb/s
probs atm: server traffic and lag spikes can result in dc

600x5=3000kb/s used by bots
200x1=200kb/s used by stalls
200x5=1000kb/s used by legits
total =4200kb/s

Now lets ban all bots
4200-3000=1200kb/s
This means we stall have 3000kb/s bandwidth till server traffic, random dc's and lag spikes.
400/1000 slots being used

After few months server is again filled to limit.
60% legits
40% stalls
3000kb/s
400kb/s
total of 3400kb/s and still not at bandwidth limit. 600kb/s unused banwidth thats why now we can provide a bigger server by adding 0-600 extra slots to hit the max capacity depending on type of user. More slots makes both sides happier. + No lag or random dc's due to not exceeding the limit.

[BrokenSaint]

IMO (NOTE the IMO) stallers cause less traffic than botters, since botters send more packets between the servers and them. I mean think about it; attack, attack, dead mob, pick up loads of gold and items, activate 5+ buffs, repeat the process several times, scroll back to town, load up on grinding materials, go back to grinding spot, repeat grinding process and so on and so on. And think about it theres more botters than legits. Now look at the stallers. Heres the process: Stall. AFK.

[xzaz]

jleyens

Alright another try,

First:
There is a differentce between server spot and server traffic. As you can see when you login sro will check if there is enough server traffic. So for example:

1132 users are online (botting or not) and 132 of them are extualy grinding. It can be a 100% server traffic.

When there are 3323 users online 2000 of them are stalling and 1323 of them are extualy grinding. It can be a 100% server traffic

But here is the trick, one people that goes from grinding to stalling doesnt take much server traffic. Because? Very simple, He doesnt do anything with his char. Stalling is a function, its hard to understand i know but it is something different then grinding, technical.

But i want to explane the SPOTS on the servers. SRO made it (as i told) for server traffic. This means that there AINT a amount of max chars online.

[Alfred]

pointless post

I picked B a LONG LONG time ago. Now you're turn

poinless post

Even with some flames here and there, I believe this topic has provided some usefull information to alot of people.

[dE4]

jleyens

Alright another try,

First:
There is a differentce between server spot and server traffic. As you can see when you login sro will check if there is enough server traffic. So for example:

1132 users are online (botting or not) and 132 of them are extualy grinding. It can be a 100% server traffic.

When there are 3323 users online 2000 of them are stalling and 1323 of them are extualy grinding. It can be a 100% server traffic

But here is the trick, one people that goes from grinding to stalling doesnt take much server traffic. Because? Very simple, He doesnt do anything with his char. Stalling is a function, its hard to understand i know but it is something different then grinding, technical.

But i want to explane the SPOTS on the servers. SRO made it (as i told) for server traffic. This means that there AINT a amount of max chars online.

Actually sro uses fixed slot system. The reason ppl get in even when all slots are in use is due to massive hammering on the login system and from time to time users leak in resulting in addional lag and probs. This is also why sro exits you from game after every failed login attempt. Its just anti hammering funtion. Not very user friendly but it does its job.

[xzaz]

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Actually sro uses fixed slot system. The reason ppl get in even when all slots are in use is due to massive hammering on the login system and from time to time users leak in resulting in addional lag and probs. This is also why sro exits you from game after every failed login attempt. Its just anti hammering funtion. Not very user friendly but it does its job.

Is that based on trafic or Real Slots?

*So i mean 13/13 that kind of slots.

[Axeoo7]

yes. and most of them are nice people. nicer than legits who always complain and throw angers



sry this is a fact.

hmm bots have nothing to complain about they love they way it is now so of course only legits complain and people call them whiners.

[xzaz]

yes. and most of them are nice people. nicer than legits who always complain and throw angers



sry this is a fact.

hmm bots have nothing to complain about they love they way it is now so of course only legits complain and people call them whiners.

+1

[dE4]

Is that based on trafic or Real Slots?

*So i mean 13/13 that kind of slots.

"real" slots

yup, 13/13 kind of slots

[xzaz]

Is that based on trafic or Real Slots?

*So i mean 13/13 that kind of slots.

"real" slots

yup, 13/13 kind of slots

JM Replace "server traffic" for "server full"! FFS

[Amaya]

Stalls are part of the game, bots are a 3rd party program which is illegal.
Stallers don't ks or saturate areas so legit players can't grind or quest (do bunwangs ring a bell?).

[(LTF)GuyLafleur]

my opinion is "it doesnt make a difference what ur doing on the game"

if ur on your on

if ur on your taking a server spot

a bot takes a spot
a legit takes a spot

U just owned yourself noob...
There is way more bots than there are legitz (both stallers and grinders)
And if i quote you, you said that a bot takes a spot and a legit takes a spot. If ur not 16 years old, you can EASILY understand that it's bots making the server traffic.

[BrokenSaint]

my opinion is "it doesnt make a difference what ur doing on the game"

if ur on your on

if ur on your taking a server spot

a bot takes a spot
a legit takes a spot

U just owned yourself noob...

+5000

I told him 5000 times in a non-flaming way, but he didn't listen.

[Heaven_King]

I have no much to say because this is getting old, anyway...
First, Stalling is a primary part of this game, i can't NPC all my stuff, sometimes there are good drops, if there was no stalling system, also then no way to make some good gold, and no point in droping decent things.
Now about the bots, like someone said here before, no matter if your fingers are hiting the keyboard or there's a robot doing the hard work,, youre filling room in the server, this is a fact.
BUT i also totally agree with other fact: if you don't play by yourself, you CAN'T ENJOY the game, and all the work JM once had on creating the SRO environment is squat.
I don't care about it myself, if you wanna enjoy the game by actually playing it, good for you, if you like the game but you have a life, you work, you study, w/e, people have a lot of things to worry about in life apart sitting for 4543543 hours in front of PC because of a slow game.
Inside SRO it's all about the GOLD,
You can say you wanna lvl, nice items, bla, but if there's no gold you won't play, and if there's 154325454354 gold botters messing up the virtual market, it's gonna be even harder.
So in my opinion people who bots for personal reasons
are initially not bad,
but exploiters like people behind goldbotters, theyre a real problem.

P.S. JM make the rules, if they say it's wrong, then it's wrong.
At least inside the game.

[marcezs08]

this is just a pointless discution, even if they r not actually slowing down the sever they r still killing every single monster, plus even if there is some legits who stall all day there is 90% more who dont cuz they actually have other things to do in their comps, so my opinion whatsoever is that bots r what contribute to slow gaming or dc, and i can bet that the guy who posted this topic stalls/bots 24/7
BOTS SUCKS, it makes legits players angry that some idiots take all the place while others who actually never stalled for more then a few hours or never botted to see an idiot kill 24/7 and lvl 50 times faster while getting sos/som/sosun. and dont say the crap of ramdom drops, its the same as the lotery, the more tickets u buy the more chances of wining, the more u play , the more chances of getting a good drop. i dont care if u bot for personal reasons, i would bot but then again i hate bots so i dont, it takes me days or weeks to lvl but i dont give a crap cuz i actually like "Playing" the game, its the exitement of killing a monster with ur new skill not the "oh look i can get all skills on the game just cuz i botted since lvl 1"

[yamataka]

hmmm botters don't set up stalls ....

Well actually my guess is that they do set up stalls to sell their stuff just like everyone else does ...

OR if the bots are really not stalling like you are claiming they are ... their gold has to come from somewhere ... so I guess they have to buy their gold from the gold bot services. And we all know how much gold bots are messing up SRO.

Botters are not "people with lives". T hey are just pathetic people that need some sort of validation in their lives and are using a computer game to get it. They don't understand how games have rules and how to play SRO.

[yumyumbondage]

I don't see player botters as the main problem either to be honest.

Imagine if Joymax decided to one day ban all player bots in game for some strange reason. Let's say 1200 bots were banned, and we'll suppose 1200 legit players replaced them all. Now, when grinding, instead of having lifeless drones going about killing monsters all day, you'll have legit lifeless drones complaining about being KSed, making racial slurs, and just plain having diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind all day while grinding.

The irony in all this is that no matter what is done, one way or another, bandwith will be consumed whether it be by legits or botters, and lag will still be an issue unless Joymax decide to fork some money over on worthwhile hardware upgrades.

I don't support botters, nor do I shun them. I would much rather have a (non-KSing) botter grind with me than a legit player who'll complain to no end if I accidentally hit their monster. :l

[Jay]

To make my answer simple I know for a fact that if there were no bots it would make life easier why you may ask?

Why do you think people bot? They can't be bothered to hand grind, softmod goes down and people don't log in, isn't it heaven, lol.

Suming it up, if there were NO bot programs what so ever, the botters woudln't be bothered to play, at least the majority of them all for the simple fact that they won't be able to let a program do their job for them, poor things /pretending to care

So yea..I do think that botters are the problem.

[xSiLeNcEx]

It is not player bots. Gold bot take up 60% of the server, turks 15%, hand grinders 5% player bots 5%, stallers / treesitters(on oasis) 15%


Bots tend to be nicer than hand grinders. most bots dont ks your monsters. They dont spam you (their afk) if your getting mobbed an you run by one they take the monsters off you.

[alZen]

nice and simple ... no bots, no problems. gold bots, player bots, blah-blah bots, rid bots problems solved.

[skyduck]

Botters ARE the problem no matter if they were player bots or gold bots.
Why? At any single grind spot or any spot, you will see bots out number any legit players.
Where in the game you can see more legit players than bots?
I can't find such place at all.
People are lazy, and there are a lot of lazy people out there.
That's why bots out number legit players in every possible way.

[_Orion72_]

it is not the fact that there is a spot! There is a spot on my dick that doesnt matter ok? It is the fact that when you are killing a giant or you are actually there? The bot runns by or is programed to kill steel, you lagg you die or you get booted if there is enough players that are botting. What we have is lack of player support, ok I think it is being controlled to a point!! Here we are talking instead of playing!! Because of what you said!! They shut down for a bit they cannot logg in for a while. NOW!! If you are broke in this game you know as well as I that npc gives you shit for your stuff, correct? Well you stall to make ption money or teleport money!! See I am not going to ask someone to be my friend and party with them, then in the middle say "50k plz?"
F that, I am going to stall to make my own money. Now the only thing I think on that is that you are pissed to lack of endowment cause your stall is smaller than mine :) Or there is stall envy :)
Now we are having a discution. If we can improove the area, then is where play becomes better. You as well as everyone else have been attaking that favorite giant, and then poof you are booted or you lagg till you die, or hey you get stolen from. ALL DISCUSTINGLY truew!! Now it wasnt becuse botter B (for Bob) is stallin he is in town, duh it is Botter A(for ASSHOLE) that is lagging the damn game!!! I am correct so if you no likey then bite me!!

[battlingpig]

IMO... legit players and botters who stall for hours and hours and hours annoy the ..... out of me! i think that there should be a 5 hour stalling limit so that will reduce traffic. i dont think its fair on other players wanting to sell stuff but cant log in.

there is also an auto login patch that botters can use. it also bypass the verification code. so thats why i hate botters too. not sure if the program is against sro rules though. ive not used it because i need something called net framework... i dont want to tell you what the program is because i dont know wether i will get banned or not from the forum. anyone can use it, you dont have to bot to get it.

btw i dont bot if it sounds like i do

[yumyumbondage]

it is not the fact that there is a spot! There is a spot on my dick that doesnt matter ok? It is the fact that when you are killing a giant or you are actually there? The bot runns by or is programed to kill steel, you lagg you die or you get booted if there is enough players that are botting. What we have is lack of player support, ok I think it is being controlled to a point!! Here we are talking instead of playing!! Because of what you said!! They shut down for a bit they cannot logg in for a while. NOW!! If you are broke in this game you know as well as I that npc gives you shit for your stuff, correct? Well you stall to make ption money or teleport money!! See I am not going to ask someone to be my friend and party with them, then in the middle say "50k plz?"
F that, I am going to stall to make my own money. Now the only thing I think on that is that you are pissed to lack of endowment cause your stall is smaller than mine Or there is stall envy
Now we are having a discution. If we can improove the area, then is where play becomes better. You as well as everyone else have been attaking that favorite giant, and then poof you are booted or you lagg till you die, or hey you get stolen from. ALL DISCUSTINGLY truew!! Now it wasnt becuse botter B (for Bob) is stallin he is in town, duh it is Botter A(for ASSHOLE) that is lagging the damn game!!! I am correct so if you no likey then bite me!!

I'd like to think you're correct, but I'd have to understand what you were trying to communicate with your post first. No offense. But I digress..

From what I did understand about stalling, you are, for some reason, saying you have a better stall than someone else, even though that's completely irrelevant. You can have a stall with the best items on the server, but if people don't need those items then it's pretty much a waste of time on your behalf.

In my opinion, and from observations in the game, the only reason for someone to be poor in the server is because of the overpricing of items by players. And the reason for overpricing things is because of players greed. In order for players to be able to buy such overpriced items, it then becomes a necessity to purchase gold from third-party websites that offer that service because without those items, your character won't be strong for the most part. Most of those website's customers are usually 'legit' (using the term legit very loosely, since they contribute to the problem in an indirect manner) players and, therefore, contribute to the actual problem of botters in the game. So, in conclusion, all the gold-botters in game is mostly the result of hundreds of 'legit' players wanting to buy better items with dirty gold. ;/

[EwwBabel]

the only time i'm offline is if the server is down.

[Xiao_xin]

ROFLMAO.

First post is the dumbest post I've ever read.

Why should we allow a computer to take a spot of a person who actually plays the game. STALLS ARE PART OF THE GAME.

Someone pointed out, yeah Botters often have more than 1 bot running and a stall character. A botter = multiple AFK accounts running.

Unlike botters who may get multiple drops a day because they grind 24/7, legit players get only a limited number of drops and can't afford to NPC everything. There is nothing wrong with using a stall.

On the other hand, AFKers, different story. I think if you AFK for more 30 minutes there should be an automatic DC.

But anyone that suggests a legit player trying to attain gold to continue playing should suffer over a AFK bot, that's not even a person is a total jerk.

We should make room for those who go against the game rules over someone who is attempting to use the tools the game provides to make some gold. Right....try to be a more of a a55hoIe will you?