Based on what Joymax Identify botters?

Mr.Question? · Post by **Mr.Question?** » Sun May 06, 2007 11:04 am

I can Identify botters by Their strange movement and by the way they kill or they does not answer to pms.

How Joymax identify botters? basted on what? maybe some one knows?

ciddy · Post by **ciddy** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:22 pm

i dunno if this is completely true but botters have modded client which send out different types of data packets. a GM would tell the difference and there's your bot.

but bot programs are smart now. they know the code of a GM and an undercover GM, becuase they know their "code" makeup. so often you'll see them log off when a GM is near them.

EwwBabel · Post by **EwwBabel** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:26 pm

identify is one word

sloth24 · Post by **sloth24** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:29 pm

do botters use phantom walk? i think i haven't seen a botter use
phantom walk that much. if not. then those who dont use phantom walk while grinding might be suspected as a botter.

hehe. even nukers and archers use phantom walk right?

marcezs08 · Post by **marcezs08** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:30 pm

well if they used codes it shouldnt be so hard to track, but still you see 100+ bots on just one area. i think they dont take it seriusly enough, on one single trip to Hotan on foot i can find about 50 bots and they only make a list of 10~20 every times they ban

ciddy · Post by **ciddy** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:30 pm

sloth24 wrote:do botters use phantom walk? i think i haven't seen a botter use
phantom walk that much. if not. then those who dont use phantom walk while grinding might be suspected as a botter.

hehe. even nukers and archers use phantom walk right?

i dont think so cuz phantom walk require a human eye to determine where to go.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:43 pm

Xia_Hou_Dun wrote:
sloth24 wrote:do botters use phantom walk? i think i haven't seen a botter use
phantom walk that much. if not. then those who dont use phantom walk while grinding might be suspected as a botter.

hehe. even nukers and archers use phantom walk right?

i dont think so cuz phantom walk require a human eye to determine where to go.

What human can do, bot can do. If u are able to find something that bot cant do, then it's the best prevention against bot.

numatan · Post by **numatan** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:53 pm

Since a lot of bots are apparently driven by waypoints, perhaps Joymax should occasionally and randomly spawn walls or some impassable object at those points.

That way all the botters will be there humping the walls like mad while real players would just walk around them. If the server detects them there for some period of time then ban them.

Wallsecks = ban.

MastaChiefX · Post by **MastaChiefX** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:55 pm

Maybe JM doesnt want to botters.....

What happend with the "huge bot ban list"

numatan · Post by **numatan** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:58 pm

MastaChiefX wrote:Maybe JM doesnt want to botters.....

What happend with the "huge bot ban list"

You know... the more I see, the more I believe this to be true.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:12 pm

modified clients is not always needed to bot
those are needed for multi client bots.
i honestly thing solving the bot problem wont solve anything it wont result in more fun, as long as people will buy gold and especially those legit who do it and then complain about bots this whole problem will never get solved. Give the people left a bit more fun (updates) then this whole botting wont be such a big whine for all legits at least as long as they got something new to look forward to, the only thing i look forward to each day is find a decent grind spot without being ks :roll:

guess the only effective way they did those last banlist was by actually checking those servers with nearly all GM`s on the reported areas and anything that did not reply got the ban hammer and since some GM hiding in towns they probably used the rev6 packets method too.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:15 pm

If they increase the exp rate 10x, there wont be bots :roll:

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:17 pm

idk about the data packets thing cause i was almost banned for botting (when i wasnt XD)

i saw a gm and didnt think much of it but then thought, oh wait, im farming for lvl 1 sos items and im 8+ so its gonna look a bit suspicious and i pressed f12 (i usually leave it on so i cant see my exp/sp) and i saw that the gm had pmed me asking if i were a bot, and threatening to ban if i dont reply xD

im gonna try and find that ss, its buried somewhere

Echos · Post by **Echos** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:19 pm

well it's easy toidentify blader bots.. when they knock someone down than they dont use this stabbing thing cause knockdown doesnt work always :wink:

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:23 pm

2fast4u wrote:well it's easy toidentify blader bots.. when they knock someone down than they dont use this stabbing thing cause knockdown doesnt work always

or someone lagged?

better way, use a protector to screen out bots... and n00bs

svante · Post by **svante** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:25 pm

sloth24 wrote:do botters use phantom walk? i think i haven't seen a botter use
phantom walk that much. if not. then those who dont use phantom walk while grinding might be suspected as a botter.

hehe. even nukers and archers use phantom walk right?

So if someone didn't choose the lightning tree, they're botters? x]

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:27 pm

shadowman20875 wrote:
2fast4u wrote:well it's easy toidentify blader bots.. when they knock someone down than they dont use this stabbing thing cause knockdown doesnt work always

or someone lagged?

better way, use a protector to screen out bots... and n00bs

packets bots wont attack protectors.

Mr.Question? · Post by **Mr.Question?** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:36 pm

Moreover, there are 50%+ bots user.The precentage of bot users is growing. Will they ban them all ?

StealMySoda · Post by **StealMySoda** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:42 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:
Xia_Hou_Dun wrote:
sloth24 wrote:do botters use phantom walk? i think i haven't seen a botter use
phantom walk that much. if not. then those who dont use phantom walk while grinding might be suspected as a botter.

hehe. even nukers and archers use phantom walk right?

i dont think so cuz phantom walk require a human eye to determine where to go.

What human can do, bot can do. If u are able to find something that bot cant do, then it's the best prevention against bot.

What about every hour of grinding, you are requested to goto a certain co-ord? Its show on the map, but the game purposefully places a building or a tree inbetween you and the co-ord. A bot will just start humping the building, where as a regular player can easily move around the building.

YourDaddy · Post by **YourDaddy** » Sun May 06, 2007 4:48 pm

My favorite way of telling is when a bot starts a nuke but you kill monster before they get it off..but their program still tells them to try and pick up the drops. Not getting an answer from PM tells nothing. I don't answer any random PM's, because it's a beggar 99% of the time, and a shit talker 30% of the time. Which makes for 129% of wasted time for me to answer.

packets bots wont attack protectors.

No, but stupid people will. lol I Watched a 5x do it today in pvp and then he got mad. I lmao

Post by **Stress** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:09 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:If they increase the exp rate 10x, there wont be bots

Sad thing is, there will be bots even then.

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:11 pm

tiglari51 wrote:
NuclearSilo wrote:If they increase the exp rate 10x, there wont be bots

Sad thing is, there will be bots even then.

100x it is then

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:14 pm

If anyone knew and said it here, the bot company would find out and program their bots around that.

Artem · Post by **Artem** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:18 pm

Did you guys forget about the Mangyang-bomb??

Bot-proof 100%

Zypher · Post by **Zypher** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:23 pm

Artem wrote:Did you guys forget about the Mangyang-bomb??

Bot-proof 100%

...?the bombs dont work

Echos · Post by **Echos** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:04 pm

Zypher wrote:
Artem wrote:Did you guys forget about the Mangyang-bomb??

Bot-proof 100%

...?the bombs dont work

they do,but u can use it over an hour soo if u have zillion bots around you it wont help...

kyoisback · Post by **kyoisback** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:53 am

they dont need to, they just randomy select a few people from each server...

and amazingly they are 100% right each time... hax0rs!!!

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:58 am

kyoisback wrote:they dont need to, they just randomy select a few people from each server...

and amazingly they are 100% right each time... hax0rs!!!

u work for JM? how'd u know our... i mean their business plan?

DresAn · Post by **DresAn** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:16 am

NuclearSilo wrote:If they increase the exp rate 10x, there wont be bots

No need for 10x exp rate, 3x would be just as good, but then it will render gt useless for some, I know that I wouldnt buy gt anymore with a 3x exp rate even if the gt would double the 3x.