Did the image verifications get harder?

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:09 pm

I've been trying to get on for the past hour or so and got about 30 image verifications in that time and I've started to notice a pattern. They're all just about impossible to type in under 2 seconds. Some are way more skewed to an angle than I've ever seen and every single one has had at least two numbers in it. There also was a certain pattern to all of them that I won't mention here cuz I don't want to help bots solve them that it's not following anymore. I think Joymax upgraded the code for the image verification generation on the server. What do you think, did the image verifications get harder?

SextoEspada · Post by **SextoEspada** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:12 pm

they're just randoms, i've been trying to logon for a while without luck also, it's extreme traffic

RuYi · Post by **RuYi** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:13 pm

No idea really, couldn't be assed starting SRO lately.

Think it's all random though.

I prefer letters only, and ends with a letter of the left side of the keyboard, so I can type the last letter with my left hand and click 'confirm' with the right.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:18 pm

I should mention that there is no random on computers. The closest they can get is taking several numbers from the 7th or more decimal place on off a digital thermometer installed on the server and using advanced equations. But since they just base it on the clock, it's not even close to random. But there are improved randomizing equations and random assisting subroutines that can be bought from software companies to make results seem "more random"

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:56 pm

Doctor doctor help we got another genius over here.
:roll:

Mya · Post by **Mya** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:00 pm

borat2 wrote:Doctor doctor help we got another genius over here.

+1

Go code something instead making up silly hypothesis, desolator144.

Artem · Post by **Artem** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:04 pm

I am a genius. (that's what I think)

Why? Because I can logon in 2 tries all the day. (max time 20 minutes).

It works great, but it doesn't when people don't log off, but that is with normal logging in also.

ZeFrog · Post by **ZeFrog** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:06 pm

I've had better experiences getting in lately if you just incorrectly do the first, and fill in the second one...some I heard have better experiences going for the 3rd code by purposely failing the first 2...

I guess its figured that the code being regenerated puts you in a new line each time you fail it...idunno really..

xian · Post by **xian** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:27 pm

I wish they'd at least settle on having all lowercase or all uppercase...

downfall.hex · Post by **downfall.hex** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:31 pm

just random letters n numbers.
some were hard to type in fast but some wont.

Egg · Post by **Egg** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:35 pm

during primehours it's nearly impossible for me, even with the two pc trick. totally sucks any motivation i have to play the game. =.=

Matrixman__ · Post by **Matrixman__** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:40 pm

Egg wrote:during primehours it's nearly impossible for me, even with the two pc trick. totally sucks any motivation i have to play the game. =.=

? i have never failed at the 2 pc trick

Artem · Post by **Artem** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:46 pm

Matrixman__ wrote:
Egg wrote:during primehours it's nearly impossible for me, even with the two pc trick. totally sucks any motivation i have to play the game. =.=

? i have never failed at the 2 pc trick

Neither did I.

desolator144 · Post by **desolator144** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:54 pm

I've had better experiences getting in lately if you just incorrectly do the first

ugh, would you guys give up on that already? It doesn't reserve you a spot on the server for getting it wrong, why would it? It sends back a "errrr, wrong!" message and lets the next person try. All that does it waste time.

Egg · Post by **Egg** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:43 pm

Matrixman__ wrote:
Egg wrote:during primehours it's nearly impossible for me, even with the two pc trick. totally sucks any motivation i have to play the game. =.=

? i have never failed at the 2 pc trick

congratulations

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:45 pm

Egg wrote:
Matrixman__ wrote:
Egg wrote:during primehours it's nearly impossible for me, even with the two pc trick. totally sucks any motivation i have to play the game. =.=

? i have never failed at the 2 pc trick

congratulations

this trick freaking piss me off... can't log in cause of all those mororn with 2 pc doing the trick... I hope joymax will improve the login system and make a queu or somehting like that :banghead:

PsYch008 · Post by **PsYch008** » Fri May 04, 2007 10:48 pm

Mya wrote:
borat2 wrote:Doctor doctor help we got another genius over here.

+1

Go code something instead making up silly hypothesis, desolator144.

southkorea321 · Post by **southkorea321** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:02 pm

Mya wrote:
borat2 wrote:Doctor doctor help we got another genius over here.

+1

Go code something instead making up silly hypothesis, desolator144.

I hate bullshit like that who tell off ppl they think is smarter than them :roll:

its totally ridiculous and immature

ur jealous=ur ****

Hawkster · Post by **Hawkster** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:15 pm

Well it is just random some easier than others and i use my login trick at the image Codes

and it works >.<

er1c · Post by **er1c** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:26 am

I believe you just suck? si si si anyone?

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:29 am

weird stuff happens when u try and log in 30 times and fail... e.g. hallucinations :shock:

jyro · Post by **jyro** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:38 am

desolator144 wrote:I've been trying to get on for the past hour or so and got about 30 image verifications in that time and I've started to notice a pattern. They're all just about impossible to type in under 2 seconds. Some are way more skewed to an angle than I've ever seen and every single one has had at least two numbers in it. There also was a certain pattern to all of them that I won't mention here cuz I don't want to help bots solve them that it's not following anymore. I think Joymax upgraded the code for the image verification generation on the server. What do you think, did the image verifications get harder?

Well, if it's done CORRECTLY it should fully stop bots from auto logging in, I haven't looked at the packets but what it should be is an encrypted set of packets that look meaningless but are descrambled by the client to make images which look like letters. This is why the letters look all weirdly, because the only way for a program to read without decrypting it would be optically and having the letters look random makes that a lot more difficult...

numatan · Post by **numatan** » Sat May 05, 2007 12:58 am

jyro wrote:
desolator144 wrote:I've been trying to get on for the past hour or so and got about 30 image verifications in that time and I've started to notice a pattern. They're all just about impossible to type in under 2 seconds. Some are way more skewed to an angle than I've ever seen and every single one has had at least two numbers in it. There also was a certain pattern to all of them that I won't mention here cuz I don't want to help bots solve them that it's not following anymore. I think Joymax upgraded the code for the image verification generation on the server. What do you think, did the image verifications get harder?

Well, if it's done CORRECTLY it should fully stop bots from auto logging in, I haven't looked at the packets but what it should be is an encrypted set of packets that look meaningless but are descrambled by the client to make images which look like letters. This is why the letters look all weirdly, because the only way for a program to read without decrypting it would be optically and having the letters look random makes that a lot more difficult...

Receiving the captcha code from the server would make it that much easier for bots to log in automatically, since not only has the encryption key been busted, but it's also a matter of public knowledge. This may be the case, but I would seriously doubt it.

More than likely the captcha is pseudorandomly generated on the client. I don't know the intricate details of bots, but if I would assume that there is a modified client out there that bypasses the captcha entirely.

Also, clientless bots don't have to worry about the captcha code since, well, they have no client that displays it.

The code is all skewed are screwed up looking to prevent optical character recognition to prevent bots from being able to decypher the code by shape matching.

Ultimately the captcha only penalizes the legitimate players and the bots aren't (shouldn't be) affected by it at all. WTG Joymax. :banghead:

jyro · Post by **jyro** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:16 am

numatan wrote:
jyro wrote:
desolator144 wrote:I've been trying to get on for the past hour or so and got about 30 image verifications in that time and I've started to notice a pattern. They're all just about impossible to type in under 2 seconds. Some are way more skewed to an angle than I've ever seen and every single one has had at least two numbers in it. There also was a certain pattern to all of them that I won't mention here cuz I don't want to help bots solve them that it's not following anymore. I think Joymax upgraded the code for the image verification generation on the server. What do you think, did the image verifications get harder?

Well, if it's done CORRECTLY it should fully stop bots from auto logging in, I haven't looked at the packets but what it should be is an encrypted set of packets that look meaningless but are descrambled by the client to make images which look like letters. This is why the letters look all weirdly, because the only way for a program to read without decrypting it would be optically and having the letters look random makes that a lot more difficult...

Receiving the captcha code from the server would make it that much easier for bots to log in automatically, since not only has the encryption key been busted, but it's also a matter of public knowledge. This may be the case, but I would seriously doubt it.

More than likely the captcha is pseudorandomly generated on the client. I don't know the intricate details of bots, but if I would assume that there is a modified client out there that bypasses the captcha entirely.

Also, clientless bots don't have to worry about the captcha code since, well, they have no client that displays it.

The code is all skewed are screwed up looking to prevent optical character recognition to prevent bots from being able to decypher the code by shape matching.

Ultimately the captcha only penalizes the legitimate players and the bots aren't (shouldn't be) affected by it at all. WTG Joymax.

This is why you use more than one key and change it periodically or even have it randomly generated... though that doesn't stop clientless bots i guess.

xian · Post by **xian** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:23 pm

jyro wrote:
desolator144 wrote:I've been trying to get on for the past hour or so and got about 30 image verifications in that time and I've started to notice a pattern. They're all just about impossible to type in under 2 seconds. Some are way more skewed to an angle than I've ever seen and every single one has had at least two numbers in it. There also was a certain pattern to all of them that I won't mention here cuz I don't want to help bots solve them that it's not following anymore. I think Joymax upgraded the code for the image verification generation on the server. What do you think, did the image verifications get harder?

Well, if it's done CORRECTLY it should fully stop bots from auto logging in, I haven't looked at the packets but what it should be is an encrypted set of packets that look meaningless but are descrambled by the client to make images which look like letters. This is why the letters look all weirdly, because the only way for a program to read without decrypting it would be optically and having the letters look random makes that a lot more difficult...

The CAPTCHA! verification system rests on the client end, not the server end, so how most bots get around it is simply by having their own clients (a la the SRO SoftMod).

DarkLaw · Post by **DarkLaw** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:29 pm

xian wrote:so how most bots get around it is simply by having their own clients (a la the SRO SoftMod).

Softmod does not remove/bypass verification. its funny being on ts with HubblyBubbly when he tries to log onto Persia he goes nuts

Echos · Post by **Echos** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:33 pm

i'm always wondering who makes these thousands of images ..
that's why they dont have time anymore to deal with big updates.. makin more of these images

yuh this image veryfication isnt so good idea cuz when bottr want to login then (s)he does it anyway...
imo!

Project-Dragon · Post by **Project-Dragon** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:16 pm

i wish i would get atleaset one :banghead:

Zypher · Post by **Zypher** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:27 pm

daD14ie

that didnt take 2 seconds
slowass

Heaven_King · Post by **Heaven_King** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:55 pm

There's something to be reported as bug or something...
Once you get the IMAGE test window and you put the right code, and then it fails in connecting you get the fatal-disconnected-from-fuc**ng-server-CONFIRM-window-of-death....

Then you must exit, wait, wait, and wait a bit more for then wait for it again...

You should be able to keep on trying without CODE verification again since youve already proven youre a human arse...

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