Lvl 90 Dual

[Stress]

If I will play when the 90 cap comes out
I will be:
90 bich
90 light
90 ICE
30 fire.

The aggro ice nukes with snake dance and light nukes will mean I will grind very well. Grinding effectively will be important, as I do not bot by any means.

u'll be slower at giants

But it will definitely compensate

[Grim]

no dual builds at lvl 90

Why have a dual build at the 90 cap. You will be much stronger haveing 90 heuksal/90fire/90light/30ice.
OR switch heuksal with bicheon.(depends on preference. If not you will be weakening all of your skills just to get 2 weapons.
Dual wep will only be good for the 80 cap..not the 90...

-Grim

[aznshadow]

I use dual wield, Blade/Glaive, not for doing more dmg... I use it for survivalbility... Glaive for damage so I don't have to make it a pot war but when I'm dying, just KD stab.. stab...stab....Mars... which usually ends a nuker..

If 90 skills come out (again if for some reason Joymax decides to release them with the 90 cap, not 2 updates later which would take like 1-2 years) and dual build happens to stink... It's not that hard to just get a bunch of cursed hearts, lower ur weaker weapon mastery... and buff up you main 3 (Glaive, Light, Fire for me)

[Kuribo]

no dual builds at lvl 90

Why have a dual build at the 90 cap. You will be much stronger haveing 90 heuksal/90fire/90light/30ice.
OR switch heuksal with bicheon.(depends on preference. If not you will be weakening all of your skills just to get 2 weapons.
Dual wep will only be good for the 80 cap..not the 90...

-Grim

that's what i said

dual build will be weak at lvl 90

[IceCrash]

I would like to have a Bower/Blader, that could move fast and have cold skills, and still be powerfull! Any ideas?

[Embodiment]

no dual builds at lvl 90

Why have a dual build at the 90 cap. You will be much stronger haveing 90 heuksal/90fire/90light/30ice.
OR switch heuksal with bicheon.(depends on preference. If not you will be weakening all of your skills just to get 2 weapons.
Dual wep will only be good for the 80 cap..not the 90...

-Grim

Grim, saids it all, duel will not work in 90 cap...so enjoy it now ....but if mastery cap ever goes up too 400 wow hehe...then duel will work again and hurt alot...

[tomakasin]

Dual weapon might work for a PURE INT S / S / SPEAR.

Heres my opinion, don't know what it would be like but i don't know

Fire 90
Lightning 80
Bicheon 65
Heuksal 65

1. Do nukes
2. Use KD and stab
3. When opposition has low health
4. Switch to Heuskal and use Ghost spear mars and whoop dead..

[Embodiment]

Dual weapon might work for a PURE INT S / S / SPEAR.

Heres my opinion, don't know what it would be like but i don't know

Fire 90
Lightning 80
Bicheon 65
Heuksal 65

1. Do nukes
2. Use KD and stab
3. When opposition has low health
4. Switch to Heuskal and use Ghost spear mars and whoop dead..

I guess u people still don't understand how important masteries are...with the build u posted..your nukes will do good dmg but..your wpn' skills will lack power...around 25% less power...u get 1% extra dmg for each mastery point..and with 9th garments knock downs and stabs and mars will do shitty dmg...and killing anyone with nukes is a hard task..with stuns..knockbacks and knock downs...duel..works best when you have atleast 1 max weapon skill atleast and 1 max force..and the other two aren't so far behind....like my 80 cap...build.

80 Fire
80 Spear
70 Sword
70 Light...

[tomakasin]

Okay. I see what you mean.
Are you a pure int?

But what are you going to do for the 90 cap.
I definatly wanna be pure int but i do not know what to choose

[Monk1690]

I think we should do some math. Why are weapon mastery less important for a nuker? Because they are physical based and you're an int heavy character. Regardless of how much % bonus you get by lvl-ing the weapon mastery, you still get more 'overall' bonus by keeping the force (e.g. fire) mastery high, even if you have to sacrifice some weapon mastery. Here's the calculations based on what the 'bonus' meant from this topic (please correct if I'm wrong )

How much bonus in total you get should also be affected by your phy/mag balance. (agreed )

Assuming a typical pure int character with approx. a 1:2 balance:
Phy balance: 50%
Mag balance: 100%

From the character builder, it's actually 52/96 naked at lvl 90; I round off to make math easier
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=22653

Build 1 - Fire: 90, Weapon: 65
Build 2 - Fire: 80, Weapon: 70

So how much bonus in total really???
Build 1 - (Fire: 90% of 100% = 90) + (Weapon: 65% of 50% = 32.5) -->122.5
Build 2 - (Fire: 80% of 100% = 80) + (Weapon: 70% of 50% = 35.0) -->115.0

I'm assuming you get both bonus everytime you imbue (mag) with weapon (phy) skills. If that's the case the overall bonus for Build 1 is higher than Build 2 even though the weapon skill is at a lower mastery.

Does this make sense? To me it's sounds like a case of % of a %; and % vs. absolute values. I think you also feel this too when you play as a nuker that lvl-ing up your weapon skills really doesn't make a whole lot of difference in terms of damage.

[Monk1690]

Oh, I think I read too many threads. I was assuming the lvl 90 duel build is a pure int. The calculations only makes sense for the nuker. As for hybrid, weapon mastery will be much more important; just change the phy/mag balance around to that of a hybrid and you'll see why. It seems how you decide on your final mastery lvls also depend a lot on whether you're pure int/str or hybrid.

[Embodiment]

Wpn Masteries are Important..for int...pure or hybrid...when I had, 71 fire, 71 spear, 70 sword, 70 light.. my mars dmg was really low, maybe 4k ~ 5k on pure str maybe...but at 80 fire, 80 spear i'm doing high 6k ~ high 7k dmg on mars...anyone who thinks Int dont need wpn masteries really don't pvp with them much, YOU'LL NEVER KILL anyone with nukes lol, unless they are hella noob....wpn skills is how int will kill, Int Wpn skills..= deadly....this is how int stack their dmg...if you look at one fight...they wiill be using knock downs 70% of the fight anyway other 30% is nukes..

[Monk1690]

I totally agree with you that a nuker still use kd and stab in pvp; I am not disputing that. Even if you use kd and stab, it's really imbue + kd and stab. The imbue is mag based, that gives you the majority of the damage. As for your 4-5K to 6-7k damage increase, again a majority of that is caused by your 10 lvl increase of fire damage. Again, no one is saying a nuker just nukes.

[IguanaRampage]

Agree with embodiment, dual advantage isn't all that much even at 80 cap, and at 90 cap, the fact that you have to weaken one or both wep trees to do this dual build makes it almost useless. You will do far more damage using just sword (overall) if ur using kd and stabs, and you don't risk being stunned with spear equipped (both spear/glaive and bow users will have stun now!!!! Makes it all the more deadly).

[Embodiment]

As for your 4-5K to 6-7k damage increase, again a majority of that is caused by your 10 lvl increase of fire damage. Again, no one is saying a nuker just nukes.

I get what ur sayinig dude but..also...fire 71 to 80 is only 9% extra dmg on my imbue..that will not jump my dmg from 5k to high 7k..that comes from having 80 spear aswell....if i had..something like...

80 Fire
80 Light
70 Sword
70 Spear

Spear will do an avg of 5.5k ~ 6.5 it'll never get high 7k dmg....this is what i'm trying to say.. Int Duel Build is better with 1 max Force and 1 max Weapon tree..which is why at 90 cap it will not work..sure you can do it but you'll never kill anyone...

[tomakasin]

As for your 4-5K to 6-7k damage increase, again a majority of that is caused by your 10 lvl increase of fire damage. Again, no one is saying a nuker just nukes.

I get what ur sayinig dude but..also...fire 71 to 80 is only 9% extra dmg on my imbue..that will not jump my dmg from 5k to high 7k..that comes from having 80 spear aswell....if i had..something like...

80 Fire
80 Light
70 Sword
70 Spear

Spear will do an avg of 5.5k ~ 6.5 it'll never get high 7k dmg....this is what i'm trying to say.. Int Duel Build is better with 1 max Force and 1 max Weapon tree..which is why at 90 cap it will not work..sure you can do it but you'll never kill anyone...

What do you recommend for me then.
I want to be a pure int which would like to have bicheon has main weapon mastery but without those HP passive skills in Heuksal i do not know what to choose.

[flexo]

this topic is about dual builds anyways, we dont care about your single builds

lol +1

[flexo]

As for your 4-5K to 6-7k damage increase, again a majority of that is caused by your 10 lvl increase of fire damage. Again, no one is saying a nuker just nukes.

I get what ur sayinig dude but..also...fire 71 to 80 is only 9% extra dmg on my imbue..that will not jump my dmg from 5k to high 7k..that comes from having 80 spear aswell....if i had..something like...

80 Fire
80 Light
70 Sword
70 Spear

Spear will do an avg of 5.5k ~ 6.5 it'll never get high 7k dmg....this is what i'm trying to say.. Int Duel Build is better with 1 max Force and 1 max Weapon tree..which is why at 90 cap it will not work..sure you can do it but you'll never kill anyone...

[litlle off topic]
ej it ain't untill just now.. that i see who you are embodiment :D
from the vengeance series ^^ cool
like your movies.. will be checking out part 4 when it comes out too
[/little off topic]
at the 90 cap i'm planning on going
fire 90
spear 90
light 75 -80
bicheon 40-45

bicheon will be weak but that tree is just for kd and defense. So my main power trees are fire and spear and light for the buffs.

good idea?? or not?

[Embodiment]

What do you recommend for me then.
I want to be a pure int which would like to have bicheon has main weapon mastery but without those HP passive skills in Heuksal i do not know what to choose.

I cann't recommend anything for you, becouse I don't even know what i'm going to do in 90 cap. Not until I can see the new skills..and what lvl they max at...but I do know I'm going Spear...I think Int sword/sheild will have a much harder time with skills..seeing that the will need to get ice...max to even have a chance...where spear will have hp passive if it goes from 60 to 90..that will alot more hps...so you can get ice like 60...but i'm not sure yet..not until the update comes.

[IceCrash]

hey guys, can u tell me what would be a decent build for bow at lvl 90? Plz i need help

[flexo]

hey guys, can u tell me what would be a decent build for bow at lvl 90? Plz i need help

dual weapon bow??

[Grim]

Well.. since this is kinda off topic... If you really want to find a bow builf guide... they have something called a Search Button.... This is located right of Faq and Left of Members...(It's on the top part of your screen) Use It!!!!!

-Grim

[IceCrash]

jeesus, chill dude. I forgot to mention dual wep bow
Yes dual bow, id like to have blade skills so i could be undefeated and be able to tank for my biddies...
But when it comes the time to pwn i can pwn too^^

[flexo]

jeesus, chill dude. I forgot to mention dual wep bow
Yes dual bow, id like to have blade skills so i could be undefeated and be able to tank for my biddies...
But when it comes the time to pwn i can pwn too^^

huh chill?? i was as chill as i can be... just wanted to get it right.. before i'm hanging up a huge story and you say.. but i ment single weapon.

so uhm dual bow.. well uhm ... i really have no idea.. but my imagination says bow and s/s for extra dmg when they get close. But I really haven't seen anybody do this.. and from what i heard bow/glavie s.ucks but as i said i have no idea.