yaaaaay revenge for the server crowdedness!

[Silver0]

In case you haven't been to SRO's website in a while, they added a notice that isn't listed in the ones that show when you open the SRO game launcher. It states:
In addition, for the convenient and smooth gaming experience of our users, huge bot punishment is scheduled to be processed during next week.

and yes, they did actually make it red like that. It's too much of a coincidence that this would be right after all the servers are crowded as hell from some new bot that apparently came out. Well now every cheating asshole that used it is gonna get IP banned. That means if they had legitimate characters, they go bye bye too. hahahaha stupid botters. Oh and if you're wondering how this happened, my guess is the new bot has some sort of feature that makes it really stand out and easy for the server to notice they're bots. So basically either the GM's ran around like crazy and made a big bot list real fast (yeah right!) or they found a telltale feature of the bots so they're going to ban them all (now of course, not ALL BOTS, but all people using the new bot)

Why would they "IP ban" bots Sigh* I Think you mean char block, because if all they done was ban the ip you could call up your ISP and have it changed in a matter of minutes. On the other hand theres no way of getting around the char block.

just get a new email at such places
gmail
graffiti.net
u can get one fast make a new name up ect
make a new account then bang anothere set of 100000 bots coming in character ban is stupid so is ip
gameguard needs to be repalce cuz the bot bans are not Gm's responsibility they are suppose to be working on updates ect
gameguard is A ANTI HACK a bot=hack and even if there is bypass you can update ur program to to detected them.they need leakers that will constantly update them with the new free bots out there, only bots alive will be the ones that are paid for cuz they would be held more confidential and still then sro should buy them and find a way to ban characters that use them and bans will be all a computer detecting these 3rd party programs i doubt
they would be able to handle having there bots be banned every 2days only thing is if it works no more gold buying for some of you for me will just mean less lag lower prices and more crabby ppl cuz even then if all the bots where gone someone will complain about something


SRO gms are not to blame there job isnt to ban bots they pay or idk what they do to gameguard but iam blaming them not sro keep the updates coming.
sure there will be 1 or 2 maybe a couple that will find a way in all multiplayer games there is always a way to cheat and always a way to get rid of them but there will be less bots cuz if gameguard did its job they can constantly update so the few that could bot will keep it to themselves once its added to a forum or made public game guard should not hesitate to find a way to block them.

[desolator144]

I told ya, I called mine and they couldn't. If you have a T1 they might be able to but who has that?

I have a T1...it's no big deal really.

lmao, no you don't. Unless you play from someone's work or live within like 500 feet of it. They're a couple hundred a month plus an average of $2000 in equipment like modems and demuxers. ANd there's no reason to have one outside of hosting a website on servers you yourself own because it's only 1.5 megabit down and 1.5 up, when Road Runner is 5 down 0.5 up.

[desolator144]

hey I just realized that all this time, they could have been working behind the scenes on a really good, automated bot catching system. That would kinda make sense.

[Vorpal]

hey I just realized that all this time, they could have been working behind the scenes on a really good, automated bot catching system. That would kinda make sense.

Hey all, I'm relatively new here and to SRO, but have been reading the forums and following discussions and learning a fair bit, and it seems to me this would be a pretty obvious thing to do.

My char is only lvl 23, but I've already been really bugged by bots. What I don't get is why it's such a big deal for JoyMax to stop them. Here are some thoughts - anyone with real insight please tell me where my thinking is flawed...

* JM only has control over their servers. Everything outside that can be bypassed. Clients can be hacked, IPs can be changed, bot software can bypass most any precautions they put in place. One exception may be the image verification they have for logging in, but even that is relying on the superiority of the human eye/brain over character recognition software, right? In other words, that's only good until someone makes software that can get around it. Therefore, JoyMax should be concentrating on what they actually have control over - their servers, and the data packets they send and receive.

* Bots have clear behaviour patterns. If we as legit players can recognize a bot by how it's behaving, then software on the servers should be able to detect those same behaviour patterns. It would be hard to generically program a bot sniffer, but it should be possible for a GM to recognize bot behaviour, then define that behaviour to a bot sniffer, which would then ban any accounts that match the behaviour. That way a GM doesn't have to find and identify every single bot char, they just identify one bot behaviour, and all chars running that bot are banned.

* It should be the SRO account that is banned. Not the IP, or the hardware, or anything else that JM doesn't have control over. Yeah, it's easy to make a new account, but it wouldn't do any good unless they had a new bot too. Run a known bot once and your account gets banned. Simple as that.

* I have no idea how many different bot programs there are, but it seems to me to make way more sense to identify each bot program behaviour and ban all accounts that match the profiles, than to try to identify each individual bot user.

* Devil's advocate would say - then they'll just keep making more and more sophisticated bots. Yeah, for a while. But it would take more work to code an entirely new bot than to ban one small part of that bot's behaviour. Pretty soon bot coders would realize there's no point.

So what am I missing? I've only played a few other MMORPGs but I've played them for years and *never* seen anything like the bot problem in SRO.

[PureOwnage]

Who ever said IP bans is stupid is the stupid ones. If JM did IP bans, ya the loosers could try to change their ip. Here let me say it again they could TRY! to change their ip. Almost all IPS's will not change your ip if you call up and ask. Also about hardware mac address spoofing. Not even 1% of sro is computer savy enough to even know where to start. Also no one will go out and rebuy a processor because its mac address was banned by joymax. Instead of banning NIC card macs ban the fugging Processors/ Motherboards mac's

[Douken]

Could they just follow the basic MMORPG rules...?

http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules

I love:

When creating a name, please do not just run your finger across the keyboard to create something like "Zlkjolsdf". This would be a good example for a nonsensical letter combination. A rule of thumb is that a letter combination should still contain enough vowels between the consonants to make it pronounceable. Also, nonsensically adding or removing letters to misspell common words is not allowed. "Scrlt Druid" or "Dreeaammer" for example are both considered as names containing a nonsensical letter combination and thus illegal. Abbreviations are in general no valid words in names, e.g. "Mr Smith".

At least 1/2-1 GM per server please... and in-game reporting.

[Sefris]

Could they just follow the basic MMORPG rules...?

http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules

I love:

When creating a name, please do not just run your finger across the keyboard to create something like "Zlkjolsdf". This would be a good example for a nonsensical letter combination. A rule of thumb is that a letter combination should still contain enough vowels between the consonants to make it pronounceable. Also, nonsensically adding or removing letters to misspell common words is not allowed. "Scrlt Druid" or "Dreeaammer" for example are both considered as names containing a nonsensical letter combination and thus illegal. Abbreviations are in general no valid words in names, e.g. "Mr Smith".

At least 1/2-1 GM per server please... and in-game reporting.

omg I used to play tibia. Back in its day it kicked ass ^.^

[Douken]

Could they just follow the basic MMORPG rules...?

http://www.tibia.com/support/?subtopic=tibiarules

I love:

When creating a name, please do not just run your finger across the keyboard to create something like "Zlkjolsdf". This would be a good example for a nonsensical letter combination. A rule of thumb is that a letter combination should still contain enough vowels between the consonants to make it pronounceable. Also, nonsensically adding or removing letters to misspell common words is not allowed. "Scrlt Druid" or "Dreeaammer" for example are both considered as names containing a nonsensical letter combination and thus illegal. Abbreviations are in general no valid words in names, e.g. "Mr Smith".

At least 1/2-1 GM per server please... and in-game reporting.

omg I used to play tibia. Back in its day it kicked ass ^.^

errr... thanks but I'm just making reference to those neat rules...

[phresh]

lol desolator..
I actually agree with blackfox for once. des144 quit acting like you have a clue wtf you're talking about.. you clearly don't.. noob.

[desolator144]

lol desolator..
I actually agree with blackfox for once. des144 quit acting like you have a clue wtf you're talking about.. you clearly don't.. noob.

lmao, oh that's hilarious. Yeah, a couple complete idiots know more than me when it comes to computers. I know all about IP bans, their strengths, their weaknesses, and how and when to use them. I've ran my own website on my own server for a little over 2 years now and banned many people (most like you and blackfox but also spambots) I've been repairing computers professionally for probably 10x longer than you've been posting stupid posts here. I know A LOT about computers and programming and servers.

[Matrixman__]

Jangan will be crowded tomorrow with lvl 1 characters

[BlackFox]

lol desolator..
I actually agree with blackfox for once. des144 quit acting like you have a clue wtf you're talking about.. you clearly don't.. noob.

lmao, oh that's hilarious. Yeah, a couple complete idiots know more than me when it comes to computers. I know all about IP bans, their strengths, their weaknesses, and how and when to use them. I've ran my own website on my own server for a little over 2 years now and banned many people (most like you and blackfox but also spambots) I've been repairing computers professionally for probably 10x longer than you've been posting stupid posts here. I know A LOT about computers and programming and servers.

Sure you do but we talking about game not website and anyway about website even here you dont know all lol, wow only 2 years you have a server..I can say you dont know evrything and idiots Imao, Like I said I know 2 really who is professionally about computers and they know to A LOT about computers so is not only you. So I learn alot from them And I know many thing what you dont know ... So all can something So stop some off yours BS.

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ever heard of dynamic ip?
JM doesnt do ip ban becuz its less effective than banning the character.
90% of all the botters have a dynamic ip u know.
its easy as hell to ban botters u just have to know where to find them...
and the huge punishment list ye right.
i think it will be gold farmers like usuall.
and alot of server traffic also comes from people who afk stall dont forget that.

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and really the only thing u do with dynamic ip to change it is restart ur computer and its done easy like that.

[desolator144]

ever heard of dynamic ip?
JM doesnt do ip ban becuz its less effective than banning the character.
90% of all the botters have a dynamic ip u know.
its easy as hell to ban botters u just have to know where to find them...
and the huge punishment list ye right.
i think it will be gold farmers like usuall.
and alot of server traffic also comes from people who afk stall dont forget that.

Dynamic IPs are only INSIDE your network, not outside. From the outside, you still have the same IP every time you restart your computer.
IP bans are still a semi-good idea but to REALLY piss off the botters, they should ban the credit card or Paypal account from purchasing silk from all banned accounts. They'd eventually run out of credit cards and it's kinda hard to get more than one Paypal account cuz I think U need a separate bank account for each of them. Then if they changed their computer, their ISP (and thus, IP), and made a new account, they wouldn't be able to buy any silk so no squirrels or double exp time tickets for them hehehe
oh and I just remembered, nobody should have dynamic IPs anymore on wired connections, only ones to wired routers. You'd have to change port forwarding settings every time you connect cuz they're IP based so that'd be a pain.

[EsQuiRe]

if Joymax did ip bans they would loose alot of revenue. Simplest thing to do is ban the botters on a consistent basis and not every 3-5 months. This would deter alot of people. Their current system is flawed and wont solve anything.

[Egg]

Best way to moderate is community moderation. They should implement some system where all gamers could flag suspected botters. GM could check out the people with a high number of flags and ban if they bot. People that abuse it could get suspended or somthing.. That would make sense to me.. power of the people nikkka

[kane2007uk]

Nothing will be done ;-(
as always Bots rule this game and they always will
Us legit players cant even lot in