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desolator144 wrote:I've looked for hours and not found a free proxy that lets you use high traffic ports like ones that run games. I could just barely find one paid gaming proxy service. If anyone has any single IP address of a working proxy server with fast enough of a response time to actually play SRO without lag and has good uptime, PM it to me and prove it. Otherwise, that's total BS.

I don't remember saying anything about a free proxy; instead I believe I said:
numatan wrote:Also, don't forget about proxies which are trivial to set up.

Perhaps I should have been more explicit, but what I meant is that anybody can install a proxy on a machine that has sufficient bandwidth. Most free proxies out there are to hide HTTP traffic and are quite laggy, but a gaming proxy can be setup on any machine with enough pipe. My point is not to use a free public proxy server but rather that it's easy to set one up, especially if someone has access to a colo.
desolator144 wrote:Also, every DSL and cable ISP I've ever seen re-assigns the same IP to each modem's mac address whenever possible.

"Whenever possible" is the operative phrase here. When it's not possible, say due to power or service outages, guess what usually happens?
desolator144 wrote:And of course, the MAC address never changes naturally on its own. And if you spoof your mac address, it won't recognize you as a customer and you can't connect. DHCP renews every once in a while but it always gives you back the same IP unless you have a really, really, really crappy, low tech, know nothing ISP (like Comcast maybe).

That's correct, the MAC does not change on its own without *ahem* intervention, but it's a simple matter of notifying your ISP and giving them the new MAC.
desolator144 wrote:Btw if they did do a hardware ban that was based on the serial numbers of all the hardware in your computer like XP installs are and associate it with the SRO install, do you really think people would keep swapping out one piece of hardware every time they get banned? That'd get expensive. Plus, who would really get like a lvl 50 character banned and start all over then get that one banned after a month or two then start over and start over and start over. I don't think anyone would do that.

You're right - nobody would swap hardware over and over, but then again they wouldn't have to. These things are easy to change without a #2 Phillips screwdriver. Then again, I'm not sure too many people would be willing to play a game that was as intrusive as Windows XP, especially considering the problems that have been associated with activation from legitimate customers.

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u CANT'T change ip but i can renew it..
first unplug u'r internet for 1 minute. then plug it again..
go to run,type ipconfig/release then ipconfig/renew
and woila u have renewwd u'r ip.. u cant change ur ip cuz the internet company sends internet signal by u'r ip .. soo if u would change it then u get no signal and u dont have no internet
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Okay hold on a sec, now ipconfig/renew gets a new DHCP contract thingy from whatever the residential gateway is. For me it's my router, for others it's probably their modem. Either way, it doesn't matter. Sitting at your computer right now, you have 2 IP addresses. One it the one on your internal network. If you just have a modem and one computer, that's still your network. If you have a lovely linksys router and two comps, that's your network and each of those two comps has its own IP address. But of course, your network IP isn't important to anyone outside it. I could change my IP manually from what it is now (192.168.1.101) to 192.168.1.105 if I wanted and it wouldn't get me unbanned if I was IP banned because from the outside, my IP stays the same. It's 24.... the rest U don't need to know lol. And I was gonna put in the first place, the most likely time your IP changes is a sudden power loss because then the main hub/switch/router thingy your ISP has assigned to your neighborhood resets and re-assigns everyone's IPs in the order they respond because that's the fastest way to get everyone's internet back up again.
So yeah, you're right, it's simple...just go get a ladder and cut power to your neighborhood and it'll be changed after the power company comes and fixes it. Good luck with that. Btw, like I said, replacing or flashing parts in your modem to change its mac address with make your ISP not respond to it at all. They keep all modem mac addresses on a list an if you're not on it, it won't connect you.
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numatan wrote:
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Silver0 wrote:HW ban FTW
Ip is easy to change

wtf, your external IP is impossible to change. Seriously, I've called my ISP and asked if they can change it manually and they couldn't. In the 4 years I've had them, my IP has only changed 3 times as far as I've noticed. Only dialup changes IPs every single time.

Wrong.

Most US and almost all overseas DSL and cable providers use dynamic IPs with a DHCP lease period of 3-30 days (typically a week). Also, if you have a "sticky" IP address (like I do - it has changed maybe 3 times in 6 years), the resolution is usually to turn off your DSL router or cable modem for a period of time. The idea is that someone on your network node will DHCP in the interim and get your old IP address. When you turn your modem back on, you'll get a different one.



Also, don't forget about proxies which are trivial to set up.

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Hardware bans are easily bypassed without swapping hardware.


Seriously do you thinking little timmy in Germany who bots will go through all that it will be harder then just starting a new account
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oh trust me, he'd have to start a new account too. They don't just IP ban you and that's it. Then you could go to school and log in on your account. They ban your account also.
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@ desolator144 you are so able and know evrything so tell more LMAO..
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BlackFox wrote:@ desolator144 you are so able and know evrything so tell more LMAO..

yeah well, it comes from just coming out of 2.5 years at a really nice technical college where they teach you everything you need to know about your degree area and some intermediate stuff about every other area :) as opposed to a 4 year where they teach you Shakespeare, sociology, the history of computers, modern art, music, and lots of other bullshit :P You should really try college, you learn a lot. All the stuff I learned isn't outdated yet and it's all fresh in my memory :D
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they don't ip ban, shut up.
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ot need go to some college when I allready have some BLABLABLA .. Wink But I know 1 who is a computer technologies and some friends who can alot off computers and other thing .so I can learn many think from them and other stuff... So I dont need more college .. Smile



dude, you need to get a major in english.

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tedtwilliger wrote:RETERIED FROM SRO!... time to get me a life...

Why are you still here then?
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Yes...this "huge ban" will be nice and all...but we all know whats going to happen in about 2-3 days time...

*The day after Inspection*
You: Yes! I logged in first try in the middle of the day!
Botter: Oh no! My botting account got banned...oh well...time to make a new account.
*3 minutes later*
Botter: Haha! Time to go get me some gold and Lv 30 in a few days.
You: SHIT!!! I can't fight here! To many damned bots!
*2 days later, 7AM Eastern Standard Time*
Kima: ...dammit...why so early? =__=


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desolator144 wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:RETERIED FROM SRO!... time to get me a life...

Why are you still here then?


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DresAn wrote:
desolator144 wrote:my guess is the new bot has some sort of feature that makes it really stand out and easy for the server to notice they're bots.

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DresAn!! u left union with inforcers!! I left Linger lolz.....
banning bots wouldnt be enough, they can easily make new accounts like people had prevouisly said

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will they make a banlist on all the servers ?, or only on 2 servers, like the last stime they did a huge banlist ?
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the technical discussion in this thread is awesome, keep it up.


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Why are you still here then?


Though i have quit, i still enjoy reading up about the game. To see the new advancements, to share my "knowledge" with people. Also its something to do lol.

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@ tedtwilliger You can really Shut Up ..And dont say Any BS shit and others crap. ..
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why all that fuss over an ip ban or whatsoever anyway?
people who really want to play this game will get ways to bypass it
and losing a lvl 80 account is just precious the time to get there even with a bot is long. so they just lose their effort but i do hope joymax already did ban before they actually warned or clean all modified clients again but now on all servers.

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Patch the client every 3 days.

Given the numerous little things like typos, invisible walls, floating trees and rocks, etc...This process can be drawn out to that point, every 3 days the client is patched...Fix just 1 or 2 things>>Patch client

Or do it daily, fix 1 thing, patch client
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server crowdedness? what are you talkin about?

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they should have a huge bot unban :P
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desolator144 wrote:In case you haven't been to SRO's website in a while, they added a notice that isn't listed in the ones that show when you open the SRO game launcher. It states:
In addition, for the convenient and smooth gaming experience of our users, huge bot punishment is scheduled to be processed during next week.

and yes, they did actually make it red like that. It's too much of a coincidence that this would be right after all the servers are crowded as hell from some new bot that apparently came out. Well now every cheating asshole that used it is gonna get IP banned. That means if they had legitimate characters, they go bye bye too. :D hahahaha stupid botters. Oh and if you're wondering how this happened, my guess is the new bot has some sort of feature that makes it really stand out and easy for the server to notice they're bots. So basically either the GM's ran around like crazy and made a big bot list real fast (yeah right!) or they found a telltale feature of the bots so they're going to ban them all :D (now of course, not ALL BOTS, but all people using the new bot)



Why would they "IP ban" bots Sigh* I Think you mean char block, because if all they done was ban the ip you could call up your ISP and have it changed in a matter of minutes. On the other hand theres no way of getting around the char block. :D
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DresAn wrote:
desolator144 wrote:my guess is the new bot has some sort of feature that makes it really stand out and easy for the server to notice they're bots.

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omg, LOL
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*This statement is not a pro-bot statement*

Bot is like a viral disease. They spread out and GM is only a genetic engineer/vaccine researcher that work their ass to beat down such thing. The thing is, virus develop as they will adapt sooner or later and strike back with even more fatal and deadly. The number of bots will either multiply and silkroad is going to be full of them, like when virus devour all human beings in this earth.

what u gonna do?

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BlackFox, stop starting shit. others, ignore her please.

:shock: she's a girl? :shock: that explains everything lol :P
I Think you mean char block, because if all they done was ban the ip you could call up your ISP and have it changed in a matter of minutes.

I told ya, I called mine and they couldn't. If you have a T1 they might be able to but who has that?
On the other hand theres no way of getting around the char block.

except making another character. I think they could add one little sneaky piece. You know how there's a cookie from SRO's site that remembers you so you don't have to log in every time? Well as soon as someone goes to register another account there, if they have a cookie belonging to a banned account, it could tell them they can't register a new one cuz they've been banned. Probably about 25% of people wouldn't be able to figure out how it knows or would assume they're IP banned :P
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desolator144 wrote::shock: she's a girl? :shock: that explains everything lol :P

No I am not Is a secret and I said before I Can be a guy Or a Girl dont think they have right there ........
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anyone who even thinks they may be banned by botting, should have cleaned their accounts already
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desolator144 wrote:I told ya, I called mine and they couldn't. If you have a T1 they might be able to but who has that?


I have a T1...it's no big deal really.
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DresAn wrote:
desolator144 wrote:my guess is the new bot has some sort of feature that makes it really stand out and easy for the server to notice they're bots.

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Lol stupid botters eat my cake!

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Ohhh did someone mention cake?!?!
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Problem is even if they do a 'huge' ban it will be just like last time they mass-banned.

Traffic dropped for like 5-6hours until all the botters had just made new acc's and then traffic was just as terrible again :x

If JM are ever going to be successful at banning bots (you can always be hopeful :oops: ) they need to be consistent, once these people are banned there needs to be weekly mass-bans to get rid of the replacement botter acc's.

If there were weekly mass-bans then maybe just maybe the botters might give up and eventually go away from SRO.

This is highly unlikely so this 'huge' ban i just another way to raise the hopes of legits and then cast them aside again :(

We can all dream of the day when isro is realtively bot-free but be real, it's not gona happen :(

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