Way to beat 1 star popper people?

Kenjura · Post by **Kenjura** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:02 pm

Way to beat 1 star popper people?

I was doing a trade. It was going good for a while. (first time going through the ravine) I deside to go North of Hoyeosi/Tiger Mountain, the path near that house. (the one with the yeoha quest, the psychic person) Suddenly a thief player on a white horse comes up, and I thought,"Oh Crap." He was about 22 meters away, then I get disconnected. That got me thinking,"Oh Craaap." I log back on, and the thief is about 17 meters away getting owned by a Hunter who was about 5 lvls above him.

So, is it fair to purposely disconnect when a thief trys to do that?

Is it ok, to fight "abusing[the system]" with abusing[the system]"?

And an important question... Does it work most of the time? Or did I just get lucky...?

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:03 pm

I have been told that when you DC your mount is not lost, but I'm not sure how long it takes after losing your connection for the server to remove your character. I know that I have DCed while not dead and been dead when I logged back on a few times.

DarkPyro · Post by **DarkPyro** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:05 pm

The problem with this is that it takes 60 seconds to disconnect with a transport.

kurohagane · Post by **kurohagane** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:07 pm

I always fight any thieves spawned on me even if its red. Just to send a hint to the thief who spawned it on me.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:08 pm

DarkPyro wrote:The problem with this is that it takes 60 seconds to disconnect with a transport.

It takes 60 seconds to log off with a transport, yes, but it may not take 60 seconds when you get DCed. Unless you know something I don't?

DarkPyro · Post by **DarkPyro** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:09 pm

kurohagane wrote:I always fight any thieves spawned on me even if its red. Just to send a hint to the thief who spawned it on me.

Thats the fastest way to die and helps the 1 star poppers.

kurohagane · Post by **kurohagane** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:10 pm

DarkPyro wrote:
kurohagane wrote:I always fight any thieves spawned on me even if its red. Just to send a hint to the thief who spawned it on me.

Thats the fastest way to die and helps the 1 star poppers.

havent died so far.

***this also applies to high lvl traders who leave (accidentally or not)thier spawns on me(which happens alot)

DarkPyro · Post by **DarkPyro** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:15 pm

Bakemaster wrote:
DarkPyro wrote:The problem with this is that it takes 60 seconds to disconnect with a transport.

It takes 60 seconds to log off with a transport, yes, but it may not take 60 seconds when you get DCed. Unless you know something I don't?

Its 60 seconds even if you get DCed with a transport.

hitokiri · Post by **hitokiri** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:52 pm

yea i was disconnected while doin a trade with 2 others i met on the way. decided to party. i dc as my thief spawns. luckily they noticed i stopped, turned back and gaurded me till i dissapeared. so sounds like that hunter was in the right place when it happened, or you would have been dead.

woutR · Post by **woutR** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:59 pm

I haven't seen any poppers on oasis , I popped a little caravan myself . but not on purpose. And since I didn't have a res and no1 was near to res them I took their goods , wasn't much left for me to do besides that . They could've also just lay there for hours waiting for a res

I know I'm bad :oops:

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:32 pm

this is a good tactic. it saves the trader frustration and lost goods. your mount will NOT be terminated, you will NOT lose your goods, but it DOES take 60 secs to log off. you can likely pot your transport during this, but i don't know for sure.

Kenjura · Post by **Kenjura** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:34 pm

u can, if u logging off instead of disconnecting

Jeronimo · Post by **Jeronimo** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:46 pm

I voted on YES. If it would work (sumtimes it does), it's completely O.K and allowed ! The thief isn't allowed 2 get ur stuff when ur doin a 1 star trade ! :arrow:

otheriwse it's unfair and seperates the unworthy players from the worthy players of SRO.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:04 am

In hindsight, I probably should have done that the other day when I was coming back from Hotan with a 1-star. I had 100+ recovery kits with me and might have lasted 60 seconds. But then again, the thief might have spawned enough 52+ NPCs to take me down despite the pills.

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:35 am

Bakemaster wrote:In hindsight, I probably should have done that the other day when I was coming back from Hotan with a 1-star. I had 100+ recovery kits with me and might have lasted 60 seconds. But then again, the thief might have spawned enough 52+ NPCs to take me down despite the pills.

probably not. i find that the fastest i've ever seen thieves spawn is about once every 30-45 secs. even if they spawned a 5-star (unlikely, since why would they be trying to pop you then?), 100 kits would likely last you through a single spawn. it takes longer than 60 secs for 5 npc thieves to kill a Bactrian.

chr0nik · Post by **chr0nik** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:17 pm

I was helping a trader from Jangan to Donwhang yesterday with a 2* trade... We get about a 100 yrds past the hyungo homeland and she Disconnects... I wait around for her for like 5 min to see if she if she would come back, but she didn't... And becasue of her disconnecting I didnt get paid :banghead:

BlueFeather · Post by **BlueFeather** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:16 pm

Well I believe that this is a tactic that traders can use, but i only encourage the disconnection through the 60 second route, and not just unplugging of your connection.

Plus, im sure there is a risk to your character if you just pull the plug.

I believe that 60 second rule is in place just for this reason, 60 seconds to run away from a thief is reasonable if you can pull it off, its the same as the 20 second limit on picking up your items.

I mean, ask yourself, SilkRoad is basically encouraging you to finsish a trade and not leaving through it, thus the 60 second rule that makes it risky for you, but if you can pull it off they congraulate you, so go for it if you can.

But thats if you can!! The option I use to get away rom 1* poppers is to use the ferry if your close,

Spot a 1* popper, go to the ferry asap, teleport then d/c when you reach the other side > you get an extra 10 seconds for the 1 star popper to follow, then another 30 seconds or so for their thief (or yours) to spawn

It works everytime, only used it twice, and now I have no fear against 1* poppers.

Please note: I accept everything that is orginally appliable in the game > 1 star popping and other nick nacks are all part of it, though some may not like it, theres ways to work around it.
This discludes botters, hackers.

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:59 pm

BlueFeather wrote:Please note: I accept everything that is orginally appliable in the game > 1 star popping and other nick nacks are all part of it, though some may not like it, theres ways to work around it.

FINALLY people are beginning to accept the fact that this isn't going to go away. it isn't a bug, it isn't a glitch. it's not on Joymax's list of things to "fix". people like Kenjura and BlueFeather who are finding ways to legitamtely beat this legitamte (read: allowed) tactic are heroes in my book. 10pts to you both.

STINGER · Post by **STINGER** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:33 pm

I have had traders log off even on straight up thefts, this is a reasonable tactic, its not super easy to kill a transport being potted especially with NPCs. Now......really low level vs high I doubt you will get out fast enuff unless its only 1-2 NPCs.

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:18 pm

STINGER wrote:I have had traders log off even on straight up thefts, this is a reasonable tactic, its not super easy to kill a transport being potted especially with NPCs. Now......really low level vs high I doubt you will get out fast enuff unless its only 1-2 NPCs.

especially if the trader is on a horse. they go down far too quickly. but a bactrian or indian camel would be almost impossible to 1-star pop while the trader was logging out unless there were hella thieves.

BlueFeather · Post by **BlueFeather** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:39 pm

SuicideGrl wrote:FINALLY people are beginning to accept the fact that this isn't going to go away. it isn't a bug, it isn't a glitch. it's not on Joymax's list of things to "fix". people like Kenjura and BlueFeather who are finding ways to legitamtely beat this legitamte (read: allowed) tactic are heroes in my book. 10pts to you both.

Woot 10 points and a hug, <3, this is a good day

Late reply Btw (keepin the thread alive) but this is good knowlege for the victims, so no more complaining!!

STINGER · Post by **STINGER** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:13 pm

BlueFeather wrote:
SuicideGrl wrote:FINALLY people are beginning to accept the fact that this isn't going to go away. it isn't a bug, it isn't a glitch. it's not on Joymax's list of things to "fix". people like Kenjura and BlueFeather who are finding ways to legitamtely beat this legitamte (read: allowed) tactic are heroes in my book. 10pts to you both.

Woot 10 points and a hug, <3, this is a good day

Late reply Btw (keepin the thread alive) but this is good knowlege for the victims, so no more complaining!!

Agree with SG here, its really good to see people taking more of a proactive stance against this then just moaning and bitching.....I can bitch and moan all day about bots and it does nothing, but if I turn them in as much as possible it "might" help.......well finally some that I have turned in got banned this time.

Post by **Ryoko** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:31 pm

Most people don't do this at the first sign of trouble.

Traders / thief / hunter who DC or log have usually had a bad day. If they died that many times there so fustrated they log, I dont really care. Usually its a laughable incident.

"LOLOLOL HE LOGGED!"

Only time I dont like it is this is multistar traders.

You accept the fact that PVP is no longer restricted and you are not protected by "safe trade" -- yet logout instead so we can't do our job as thief. It happens a lot more than you'd think.

How bout everyone just go 2-3 star and logout so thief can never get.

STINGER wrote:Agree with SG here, its really good to see people taking more of a proactive stance against this then just moaning and bitching.....I can bitch and moan all day about bots and it does nothing, but if I turn them in as much as possible it "might" help.......well finally some that I have turned in got banned this time.

Thief has learned how to take down trader. Trader needs to learn how to counter the thief without telling himself its abuse or bug.

nhi1518 · Post by **nhi1518** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:42 pm

I been "pop" and lose by a thief but that was the first time i trade

now every times i see a thief with a camel white, high lv weapons with camel i run.

It been 2 times i ran and sucessful trade when thief trying to pop me. :twisted:

Important: never seen 1 trying to poping by horse. It that would happen i think i will lose, my camel IS slow :oops:

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Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:35 pm

SD_Ryoko wrote:Thief has learned how to take down trader. Trader needs to learn how to counter the thief without telling himself its abuse or bug.

Traders need to learn to counter the thieves -- with that I agree; but he has a right to bitch about it, just like you have a right to bitch about res killing and various other abuses.

sunny rays · Post by **sunny rays** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:49 pm

somewhat off topic:
wouldn't it be funny if in real life hundreds of years ago you're a real trader on the silkroad and some thief comes then you just disappear into thin air LOL.

thief: muhahaha I will be rich
trader: huh what was that
thief: <sneaks up about to strike>
trader: <poof>
thief: WTF!!!

Montolio · Post by **Montolio** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:56 pm

Damnable magic! :banghead:

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:55 pm

Bakemaster wrote:
SD_Ryoko wrote:Thief has learned how to take down trader. Trader needs to learn how to counter the thief without telling himself its abuse or bug.

Traders need to learn to counter the thieves -- with that I agree; but he has a right to bitch about it, just like you have a right to bitch about res killing and various other abuses.

How is res killing an abuse? It's not taking advantage of a glitch. If you're a trader and a thief kills you, then tries to res you, you don't HAVE to accept the res. Why would you accept? You should know there's a GOOD chance the thief will just kill you again. Just stay dead and wait for him to leave, or go back to town.

I just have to laugh at the traders that let thieves res them just to drop dead a moment later.

Vandango · Post by **Vandango** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:00 pm

i got dced while someone was trying to pop me lol
when i got back on he started pm ing me and calling me a noob en shit was so funny

but if there abusing the system why cant we ?

KimaEri · Post by **KimaEri** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:17 pm

...survived 3 solo 5 star runs due to off switch on modem.

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