pure str ice bladers reallly that bad?

[PsYch008]

first, threr is no such thing as a "non-pot" fight, of course you win without pots, you are ICE FFS...


a LOT of people rich or not are ice immune. whether you think so or not.

ice is merely annoying and doesnt do enough damage to kill, if you dont believe me then go ahead and waste your time levelling your ice blader. Every ice char i have fought, whether a blader or not, has hardly done anything but annoy the hell out of me.


the wolves last forever.

[Dempster]

rofls then im insanely rich

[uBeR]

First of all, in the real world (i.e. not a cape fight), you're not going to encounter the pansy "no pot fighting!" rule. Second, it probably doesn't suck as a lot of people make it out to be, but it still has major disadvantages compared to fire.

[Ryoko]

Okay the problem with ice blader

Yes you are like almost impossible to kill
But because of your damage, you don't kill anyone either.

Think this

Your blade - lowest p damage weapon in the game
Your ice - lowest m damage force of all force
Chains - suck in high level PVP

Leveling and PVP for you is like cutting down a tree with a 2x4 plank =/

If you thought blade was a slow leveler, try blade ice.... even worse

People go fire to get more damage to help with that.
People also get SOS blade.

With SOS or better blade, and fire build - blader can kill really well. But not as good as a pure int. Or a pure str glaive with SOS.

There was a time where people thought ice blade was the shit.... but once they all got to 60 and no one every killed eachother, that stopped

[chickenfeather]

Well.. that is 100 extra dmg per hit. If you are ice and fighting a fire blader, and you each hit each other ten times, that fire blader will have done 10x100 = 1000 extra dmg to ya with the same ten hits.

[Ryoko]

o yeah, but fire imbue only > ice imbue by like 100 maybe a bit more dmg per hit, will that 100 dmg determine who will win in a fight?

Okay, remember that damage numbers on the skills themselves are only factors of damage

Like devil arrow says 250 or so, (guessing on that) come on, devil arrow does more like 6-7000 damage, and 10k 11k when it crits; obviously can't compare and say 'its only 250 damage'

On that note, my 70 is ice immune too, you won't even get me with the 100% chance freeze, can't be done.

[AllEyezOnMe]

ive heard people say it owns, more people say it sucks

myself, being an ice blader + fire (lvl 32) really want to find out, i do fine in pvp, infact i can pwn anyone at my level in a non pot fight

but actually, only like 5% of the high lvls have caped out ice reduction, seriously, if they cap out the ice reduction, they are probably insanely rich, who would want to duel them anyways?

and when u are high level blader, u do like 1.5-2k dmg,
ice might be 100-200 dmg less than fire each hit so you will end up dealing 100-200 dmg less than using fire imbue. its really not that much of an disadvantage when compared to ice blader's freezing effect. + ice increases physical defense by like 70 - 80 when u are high level

one more question: how long does the wolf (130 silk), in the silk item shop last? it doesnt say lol.

Insanely rich? It cost me 300k to get 100% immune to ice.......

And yes, fire blades are much better than ice. If all you do is 2k damage than you won't even kill a pure INT spear saying he can't kill you.

[user]

On that note, my 70 is ice immune too, you won't even get me with the 100% chance freeze, can't be done.

by maxing the fire shield skill and pimp gear w/ 'frost reduction'?

[justaskphil]

ive heard people say it owns, more people say it sucks

myself, being an ice blader + fire (lvl 32) really want to find out, i do fine in pvp, infact i can pwn anyone at my level in a non pot fight

but actually, only like 5% of the high lvls have caped out ice reduction, seriously, if they cap out the ice reduction, they are probably insanely rich, who would want to duel them anyways?

and when u are high level blader, u do like 1.5-2k dmg,
ice might be 100-200 dmg less than fire each hit so you will end up dealing 100-200 dmg less than using fire imbue. its really not that much of an disadvantage when compared to ice blader's freezing effect. + ice increases physical defense by like 70 - 80 when u are high level

one more question: how long does the wolf (130 silk), in the silk item shop last? it doesnt say lol.

I like it. I don't job (EDIT: job much), so wouldn't help me. Only thing is the pvm...that would drive me nuts leveling that slow.

Right now flame shield reduction must still be working as % and not as effect lvl, so everyone's above 100% easily on ice immunity. My L64 has two pieces of jewelry with 20% ice and zombie reduce and 3 pieces that combine for fire reduce of 40%, and my flame shield is 61 or 64...either way, as long as it's on, I don't get burned, frozen, frostbitten, or zombied.

But you've got a tank of a player for pvp. winner goes to 'he who has pots' - make sure to invest in all those k/d skills! Also a plus - you've got a nice job build too...it's hard to kill you, but you annoy others, so you can shoo them away from protected goods (if you're a hunter) and prevent them from taking your goods (if trader). It's all about how you play that build. As a thief IDK how you'd fare...(EDIT: support? bet you'd rock in a guild war tho)

[Preditor]

People say what they will about ive bladers, but I have fun w my 33 ice plader on Venice .... then again I have absolutely no intention to lvl up on him.....


Currently I fight w folks lvls 32-41....

[Black_Mamba]

There's really no damage difference between imbues or their book numbers, I was able to 1 shot cave monsters at 65 with ice book 1 just the same as I could with fire book 4. Damage mainly comes from the skills themselves and how good your gear is. Imbues are more for a small added bit of damage but more for the status effect and since monsters can't get freeze reduce it's by far the best PVE imbue. As long as you have good gear and skills it doesn't really matter which imbue you use, one freezes, one lures monsters and one supposedly has slightly more dmg. If you test it out you'll find that you need the exact same skills to kill a monster regardless of which imbue you use. So since you need the same skills for all 3, ice works best because you get the freeze frozen/status which is much better than the burn effect.

Since the arrival of alchemy no skills are really useless or better/worse than others, if you have 50+ str/int on your gear and other nice blues your gonna rip apart anything you attack anyway lol

[user]

Right now flame shield reduction must still be working as % and not as effect lvl

here is wat i was asking for, someone posted few days ago that jSRO just patched that shield skill into point system instead of % system, so when that happens to iSRO, cold immune may not be possible

[NuclearSilo]

A pure str has very low magic balance, so the difference of dmg in imbue is nothing compare to phy dmg. With (+250% ) from your skill weapon, maybe the difference of dmg is 300...But at lvl 90, i cant tell because JM dont upgrade imbue anymore.
Anyway, u'll learn ice to 60 for defence, fire to 60 for phy dmg, u'll know what to choose, learn all if u have SP

[KYD]

Before the ALCHEMY Update

Blade&Ice was pwan


Now you can easily be immnue to ice


so ice imbue = doesnt useful anymore


but you alwyes can take both

when im full farmed with my useful skills i will take ice imbue as well

and im glavier , there is alwyes hige levels noobs who dont know whats alchemy

[PimpC]

First off bladers cant really kill much then you combine it with ice then youve got a damn weak character

[alwinp]

2 lines

ice imbue loses dmg in return for frostbite/freeze

Rings with ice/freeze reduce + shield buff = 100+% freeze/frosbite reduce

No freeze and lesser dmg

Yeah ice bladers are weak
the funny thing is

this conversation happend just 10 minutes before this post

There was a time where people thought ice blade was the shit.... but once they all got to 60 and no one every killed eachother, that stopped

Ice bladers wher able to kill people at 60 cap.
It became useless as soon as alchemy appeared.

People started changing to fire recently. some quited due the fact they suked and some kept denying the fact they are usleess, like this fool below....

[user]

First off bladers cant really kill much then you combine it with ice then youve got a damn weak character

well nothing much can really kill a cold blader, as you have the most defensive build

[Fre3f4l1]

All I did to get immune to ice was use my friends rings and MAX the fire shield buff

[alwinp]

Right now flame shield reduction must still be working as % and not as effect lvl

here is wat i was asking for, someone posted few days ago that jSRO just patched that shield skill into point system instead of % system, so when that happens to iSRO, cold immune may not be possible

I'm not sure about that.

I can already add 20% on 7th degree rings wich is that maximum reduce % you can add to a 7th degree acc.

8th degree is probably higher, and 9th degree will be more then 25% each for sure

25% times 4 = 100%
It might be harder to get 100% but then it'll still be possible.

[Black_Mamba]

The shield buff is bugged anyway it's not supposed to be a %, like someone said in another thread JSRO had this bug fixed recently and it's been changed to a status reduce instead which means even at max level it only halves the effect. So eventually 100% ice immunity won't be possible. You'll just have to have it so the status effect on you is very low instead.

[mistery]

I was playing kSRO for few days,and i was able to look much 9 degree fights(lvl 90 vs lvl 90).All i can say it's impossible to kill a lvl 90 blader even with 3+ glaviers.In other way its impossible to kill other pure str build which got 25k hp,with ice no way.Go for fire,i seen one blader at ksro owning every player,yes every.


But he had 76 +7 sosun blade and sosun shield


btw:at lvl 90 glavie dies pretty easy from pure int.And hybrid owns all

[KYD]

I was playing kSRO for few days,and i was able to look much 9 degree fights(lvl 90 vs lvl 90).All i can say it's impossible to kill a lvl 90 blader even with 3+ glaviers.In other way its impossible to kill other pure str build which got 25k hp,with ice no way.Go for fire,i seen one blader at ksro owning every player,yes every.


But he had 76 +7 sosun blade and sosun shield


btw:at lvl 90 glavie dies pretty easy from pure int.And hybrid owns all

Bullshit -_-
you have seen a noob glavier or very strong pure int

[mistery]

I know it hurts,cuz you are a glavier.But glaviers got owned at ksro,and no some koreans know pretty good english,so i asked them about their builds,and they didnt had sos/som/sosun gear.A pure int spear was doing with one nuke 11k to a glavier,2 nukes 20k + s/s + ghost spear mars and they was down.I just saw hybrids owning and NOT running away.

[NuclearSilo]

I know it hurts,cuz you are a glavier.But glaviers got owned at ksro,and no some koreans know pretty good english,so i asked them about their builds,and they didnt had sos/som/sosun gear.A pure int spear was doing with one nuke 11k to a glavier,2 nukes 20k + s/s + ghost spear mars and they was down.I just saw hybrids owning and NOT running away.

to execute all these skills, u need about 10s. If pure int can does 11k dmg, pure str can does 6k dmg at least => 2 s/s + 1 ghost = die.
Dont forget vigor recovery grain can save their ass in some situation

[user]

The shield buff is bugged anyway it's not supposed to be a %, like someone said in another thread JSRO had this bug fixed recently and it's been changed to a status reduce instead which means even at max level it only halves the effect. So eventually 100% ice immunity won't be possible. You'll just have to have it so the status effect on you is very low instead.

thank you, someone finally answered my question