Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

[longlost]

jadekiss past post pls read carefully

@Longlost let me tell it you so:
Pacheon, heuksal, bicheon = phy attack BUT NOT PHY BALANCE
Fire, lighning, ice = mag attack BUT NOT MAG BALANCE

If u lvl up u get 3 points right ? just press C then u see there a Phy balance and a Mag balance so normaly your phy balance is higher than ur mag balance BUT u have to put your points so that u get a 70:70 balance
the first lvls on my opinion was it to putt all points on int then u will have kinda 68:68 so next lvl other 3 points..... what not ? u have to put 1 on str and 2 on int then u have 69:70 next lvl u put put 2 on str and 1 on int if u do it right u will have 70:70

About the attack power....u are defintely stronger than a FULL STR... because full str have kinda 98:30 balance and phy = health and how long you can survive BUT mag = damage power !!!!
THATS why full int user like nuker do dam high damages because they have 30:98 balance but remember ? you are a 80:80 bow balance (with int and str bonus) that means u will survive pretty good and ur damage is pretty higher than a full str
BUT fire imbue is a must because fire has the highest mag damage and u need that to make ur char very strong

@Porpoise your wrong there ! full int nukers do more damage that right BUT do they srvive long enough to kill there pvp enemys ? NO they die in kinda 2 heavy hits or 1 crit hit.... hybrids are the best build but its hard to make the right build every1 have to find out what is the best build for him BUT if the game based only on PURE players.....wouldnt that be to easy ? dont u think so ? u never saw a 80:80 bow player in action right ? then trust me ur wrong there defintely.... this build works also for spear that true but it isnt that good like bow ...why ? bow got a range bonus....u will hit ur enemy dam nice before they reach u so u will have only to hit a few times more then they will die... but it depends on how ksilled u are

@koa no ! it depends on ur balance for example ur a full str and hit with crit 7000 dmg... 6000 dmg come from phy and 1000 from mag attack power
now look at str hybrid bow u get kinda 5500 dmg from phy and 1500 dmg from mag = 7000 dmg aswell so there is no different BUT if u raise ur MAG balance to 80% u will have adam nice dmgexample 80:60 hybrid = 7000dmg on crit / 5500+1500
but what about 80:80 ? 5500+5500 =11000 dmg ? haha nice huh ? ur are pretty stronger than a full str or str hybrid believe me... that is the fact


Fazit: u have to do hardcore SP farming and u have to know how to skill ur char .... recommend armor = protector find the best protector (with int and str bonus) and bow u have to have a bow with at least crit 8 dont buy a +3 bow crit 6 or so

if u dont believe me try it out i have lots of bow chars... a full str/fire/bow...hybrid/fire/bow....also full int/fire/bow...and they all sux !!! u will lose almost all pvp against full str also even against a nuker cause u cant kill him before he kills u trust me i spend a lot of time to find out the best bow build...and on my opinion its a 70:70 (later 80:80)
my friend made such a char and no1 !!! killes ysutareu so much as him and he is now one of the strongest player in his server AND i heard only 1 of 5 glaviers could kill him... so believe it or not its ur choise ... u can waste ur time on making a full/str/fire bow u will be so weak

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

omg i donno i just think the facts is already been rubbed to the pure str faces but they just ignorant. why?..i think u all notice the facts already.

[NuclearSilo]

as far as i know, a build 70:70 has 6700 HP, a pure Str has 11600 HP with 97%/28% balance, it's almost double

Let's do a little math :
For a bow, mag = 1.6 * phy power
Now let's call phy power = X , mag power = Y = 1.6X
For a pure Str bow : 97%X + 28%Y = (97 + 28*1.6)%X = 141.8X
For 70:70 build : 70%X +70%Y = (70+70*1.6)%X = 182X

so it's 182/141.8=1.28 times stronger than pure str, but have 11600/6700=0.57 time less HP than pure.

about critical, pure is (141.8+97)/(182+70)=238.8/252=0.94 time weaker

But note that your nuke is always higher than your weapon skill. So what's the use to use bow as hybrid?

Rectification:
As u see the calcul of damage above, the better choice lean to pure str (0.57HP vs 1.28dmg). Pure int at lvl 70 has 3489 HP, can easily die from 1-2 skill of pure str. So why ppl choose it?
Because u all forget about the gear which is as imporpant as the build. U can add total max 55Str/55Int in your gear + 600HP from stone that add HP. So this will gonna change everything.

Pure Str : 14363 HP - 109%/46% balance str/int
Pure Int : 6246 HP - 64%/113% balance str/int
70:70 after wearing gear : 9383 HP - 81%/87% balance str/int

Again, i will play with math :
Pure Str : 109X + 46Y = (109 + 46*1.6)X = 182.6X. Critical => 291.6X
Pure Int : 64X + 113Y = (64 + 113*1.6)X = 224.8X. Critical => 308.8
70:70 : 81X + 87Y = (81 + 87*1.6)X = 220.2X. Critical => 301.2X.

Comparison:
- Critical is almost the same.
Another thing i want to mention is %mastery increase and %reinforce increase.
- 1% from mag > 1% from phy
- In every weapon, %mag reinforce always > %phy reinforce. If u dont know what reinforce is for, referer to here http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... =reinforce
But i dont want to talk much about reinforce, this is very complicated. So we stay at %mastery increase.

Thier new power with +%mastery will be : (assuming lv70 = max)
Pure Str : 310.4X
Pure Int : 382.1X
70:70 : 374.3X

Final comparison :
(70:70/pure Str)
- dmg 382.1/310.4 = 1.23
- HP 9383/14363 = 0.65

(70:70/pure Int)
- dmg 374.3/382.1 = 0.98
- HP 9383/6246 = 1.5

Comment :
- 70:70 is almost as strong as pure Int, but has great advantage on HP coz 1.5 times higher.
- with Str, dmg vs HP, HP is still more important. But as i said before, i didnt count the reinforce and the defence of the gear. Note that Str has very weak defence against magic. U wouldnt deal the same damage on pure int.
- another thing must be mentioned is the HP regeneration rate. Players use the same HP pots so the rate is the same. But this rate affect your damage and your survival. Dont think that a glaiver with 15k HP can own a hybrid spear with 10k HP just because he has 1.5x times more HP. NO, that's not the survival work.
For exemple, your dmg rate is 2k dmg/s, but my HP regen rate is 2k HP/s.
So mathemathically u could never kill me. If my dmg is 1.25x higher = 2.5k dmg/s, i could kill u in 30s (if u have 15k HP).
If u know who will win, no matter what build is it, resolve this equation :
time to kill = HP - dmg rate + HP regen rate
to see who die first . I dont have all the info about dmg and def to resolve this, so im counting on u
Note that even if dmg rate << HP regen rate, but u only have HP = dmg, then u'll die in fisrt hit (case of nuker)

[IguanaRampage]

jadekiss past post pls read carefully

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

omg i donno i just think the facts is already been rubbed to the pure str faces but they just ignorant. why?..i think u all notice the facts already.

I dont mean to be rude, but please read up on the GnG before you go giving it in examples all over the place. They were hybrid spears. Not bows. And furthermore, it was a special team situation where the team who had the member with the highest number of points. You gained points by killing monsters, gained them by killing members of other teams, and lost them by being killed by members of other teams. In this case, hybrids are the best. I will make it clear that I think hybrids are excellent builds. However, I believe that in the case of bows pure str is indeed the way to go. You do far better in job wars and guild wars, and probably better in 1v1 too imo...

and @ NuclearSilo
You talked about how the speed of killing is hp + regeneration per pot - dmg given, but you left out crit . If it werent for crits, hybrid spears would easily beat glaives a very, very large %age of the time.

EDIT: dam I have to quote a ton of people don't I... alright well that's the way it goes...

If you want to crit hard, acquire a lot amount of health points, and have an incredible physical defense, by all means, go pure strength.

If you want to do constant higher damage than a pure strength (but lower than its critical), and you do not mind sacrificing health points to do so, but keep an O-K amount of health points with an equal defense against magical and physical, go hybrid.

I'm leaning on the hybrid side, since it seems more fun.

I've played pure strength, it gets boring when only do physical attacks to do well. With hybrid I can use magical attack and physical, which gives me more options to do things.

Just because one skill supports critical, doesn't mean it's automatically a pure strength build. Look at Fire Force, it has a skill which supports shield (Fire Shield Series), but it does not mean Fire Force is shield oriented.

For the most part, agreed. Your points about the str bow vs. the hybrid bow are very good, and the hybrid bow can be very fun, and give one more options. But about the 1 skill supporting critical, I don't think you considered the rest carefully. 2 of your 3 main pvp skills support critical-- one by raising the critical chance and 1 by being strongest phys move in game, making critical dmg insane. Other skill is arrow combo.

Hrm, please read the other posts before you repeat something that we have cleared up before. kthxbye

I beg to differ. You have definitely not cleared this up.

Okay, first. What is the date of this video? Because, through Silkroad Online's history, things change. So, if this video was submitted at a much later date, it wouldn't be accurate. Second, this hybrid is int majority, not a balance hybrid. This video pretty much render as null and void for this topic.

In a battle between which build is good, it comes down to gear, player, tactics.

It is obvious that a hybrid balance will do constant higher damage than a pure str bow, because of its magical setting. But, pure str will always crit higher.

Let's do math: Let's say the pure str does a critical hit every forth hit.
Balance Hybrid Bow: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 x 12 = 24
Pure Strength bow: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 = (9 x 1) + (3 x 3) = 18

In the end, hybrid does more damage. I have a pure strength bow, with a 10 crit bow (%66), I usually get a critical every 5 hits.

Once more, agreed. The hybrid does more consistent damage. However, with blade or glaive the hybrid would do more when compared to its pure counterpart, in contrast with bow where the gap is smaller because of the high atk, high % phys atks. One also sacrifices hp by doing the hybrid bow. And there is no way that a hybrid does that much more dmg than a pure str consistently, as if it were the average of a reg pure str hit and a crit. No way man you must be thinking of a pure int spear's hits compared to pure str glaive or something...
I can testify that crit tremendously increases dmg for a pure str build, especially bow. In the highest dmg contest, I hit a 13k as a lvl 39 pure int spear with a 38 +9 spear. MrJoey, a pure str (glaive or bow not sure) hit 14k at lvl 39 with a crit.
DarkJackal almost hit as much with one of his weaker moves with what I think is an SOS +7 64 bow (at least, not devil arrow, the strongest) as a nuker using an SOS +9 64 spear....
The date of this video is far before the advent of the "new alchemy", as I call it, which is why the ice was so effective. But the alchemy goes both ways--- the hybrid bow can raise its hp, crit and atk. The pure can raise his atk, hp (not quite as significant as the hybrid doing it), and the crit (a bit more significant than the hybrid doing it). In the case of hybrid bow vs. pure bow, alchemy goes both ways. This video is still very valuable to watch.

[Da_Realest]

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

Stop using GNGWC as a defense for your build. A hybrid int has been proven to be strong already. There is a big difference between a 70:70 and a hybrid int spear. The only thing they have in common is sharing the name hybrid. GNGWC was clearly teamplay and not 1v1 when the main argument is the efficiency of 1v1 of a 70:70.

Do you even know the strategy Cuch used to win? No. If you do, then why haven't you stated them already.

as far as i know, a build 70:70 has 6700 HP, a pure Str has 11600 HP with 97%/28% balance, it's almost double

Let's do a little math :
For a bow, mag = 1.6 * phy power
Now let's call phy power = X , mag power = Y = 1.6X
For a pure Str bow : 97%X + 28%Y = (97 + 28*1.6)%X = 141.8X
For 70:70 build : 70%X +70%Y = (70+70*1.6)%X = 182X

so it's 182/141.8=1.28 times stronger than pure str, but have 11600/6700=0.57 time less HP than pure.

about critical, pure is (141.8+97)/(182+70)=238.8/252=0.94 time weaker

But note that your nuke is always higher than your weapon skill. So what's the use to use bow as hybrid?

Rectification:
As u see the calcul of damage above, the better choice lean to pure str (0.57HP vs 1.28dmg). Pure int at lvl 70 has 3489 HP, can easily die from 1-2 skill of pure str. So why ppl choose it?
Because u all forget about the gear which is as imporpant as the build. U can add total max 55Str/55Int in your gear + 600HP from stone that add HP. So this will gonna change everything.

Pure Str : 14363 HP - 109%/46% balance str/int
Pure Int : 6246 HP - 64%/113% balance str/int
70:70 after wearing gear : 9383 HP - 81%/87% balance str/int

Again, i will play with math :
Pure Str : 109X + 46Y = (109 + 46*1.6)X = 182.6X. Critical => 291.6X
Pure Int : 64X + 113Y = (64 + 113*1.6)X = 224.8X. Critical => 308.8
70:70 : 81X + 87Y = (81 + 87*1.6)X = 220.2X. Critical => 301.2X.

Comparison:
- Critical is almost the same.
Another thing i want to mention is %mastery increase and %reinforce increase.
- 1% from mag > 1% from phy
- In every weapon, %mag reinforce always > %phy reinforce. If u dont know what reinforce is for, referer to here http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... =reinforce
But i dont want to talk much about reinforce, this is very complicated. So we stay at %mastery increase.

Thier new power with +%mastery will be : (assuming lv70 = max)
Pure Str : 310.4X
Pure Int : 382.1X
70:70 : 374.3X

Final comparison :
(70:70/pure Str)
- dmg 382.1/310.4 = 1.23
- HP 9383/14363 = 0.65

(70:70/pure Int)
- dmg 374.3/382.1 = 0.98
- HP 9383/6246 = 1.5

Comment :
- 70:70 is almost as strong as pure Int, but has great advantage on HP coz 1.5 times higher.
- with Str, dmg vs HP, HP is still more important. But as i said before, i didnt count the reinforce and the defence of the gear. Note that Str has very weak defence against magic. U wouldnt deal the same damage on pure int.
- another thing must be mentioned is the HP regeneration rate. Players use the same HP pots so the rate is the same. But this rate affect your damage and your survival. Dont think that a glaiver with 15k HP can own a hybrid spear with 10k HP just because he has 1.5x times more HP. NO, that's not the survival work.
For exemple, your dmg rate is 2k dmg/s, but my HP regen rate is 2k HP/s.
So mathemathically u could never kill me. If my dmg is 1.25x higher = 2.5k dmg/s, i could kill u in 30s (if u have 15k HP).
If u know who will win, no matter what build is it, resolve this equation :
time to kill = HP - dmg rate + HP regen rate
to see who die first . I dont have all the info about dmg and def to resolve this, so im counting on u
Note that even if dmg rate << HP regen rate, but u only have HP = dmg, then u'll die in fisrt hit (case of nuker)

My previous post has already made this invalid.

A level 80 its impossible to have a 70:70 build. Its going to have at least 9k hp. One of them would have to be 69. The total balance would be 139%

A level 80 pure str has 97:28 and a total of 16k hp. The total balance would be 125%.

A level 80 pure int has 52:96 with 4.7k of hp. The total balance would be 148%.

Most of the hybrids try to keep a 90% int balance without blues. At level 80 they would have about 5.6k hp and a 56:96 balance. The total would have 152% total balance.

Of course a level 80 pure int would be stronger than all of these builds because 1% mag power is greater than 1% str power in terms of damage. But can the pure int stay alive long enough to do that damage if you're fighting in 1v1? No.

Sure the 70:70 bow has a stronger overall % than a pure str archer would have. Its not like you would be alive long enough to kill.

Builds that follow the heuskal tree have a extra 1k hp, stun, and knock back to keep them alive. This is why a hybrid spear can be effective because of the skills in the heuskal tree that give them enough time to kill if they are lucky to get a couple stuns and knockbacks.

Builds that follow the bicheon tree gain a shield for extra defense, the castle shield series, the kd and stab skills, the ability to block, and a passive to increase your chances of blocking. This is why hybrid sword builds can be effective. These factors give them a chance e to kill a pure str.

What does the bow build have to buy them time? Nothing. Pure power is not enough to beat them in 1v1 as proven by the pure int spears and pure int sword/shields. Even with the skills that keep them alive longer and a minimum of 152% balance, hybrid ints still have a hard time killing pure strs.

The hp that pure strs have is just too much to overcome without skills that buy you time.

No one is debating which does more damage either. Its obvious the hybrid does due to the total balance. But can a hybrid bow stay alive long enough to do that damage? No. Spear hybrids have knockback and stun and 1k hp to keep them alive. Sword hybrids have kd, a shield to block, and the extra defense it has to survive a pure str. What does hybrid bow have? Nothing. You have nothing to buy you time to live to do that damage. Most int hybrids have a total balance of about 152% without alchemy and they still struggle to stay alive even with the the defensive things I stated above and the damage they do. Now how could a build that has 140% without alchemy stay alive long enough to do that damage when they have none of the reasons I stated above to buy them time? Who said the damage would even be enough? A pure str archer struggles to stay alive even with all the hp they have but they will last longer than the hybrid archers and probably deal equal damage in the time that it takes them to die.

It doesn't really matter if he adds alchemy to increase his balance by 20% to 160%. Other builds can do the same.

[NuclearSilo]

You talked about how the speed of killing is hp + regeneration per pot - dmg given, but you left out crit . If it werent for crits, hybrid spears would easily beat glaives a very, very large %age of the time

u didnt read the whole of my post, right? look at the calcul, the critical power is almost the same. Sure Str has higher phy, but u forgot the mag of Int. Everyone use imbue, right?

[longlost]

well nuclearsilo calculations is very good. tq. we know now that:

1)hybrid give more dmg.
2)pure str survive to kill.
3)bower is not a tanker.

another thing. since ur a math thinker, can u calculate the build that at first getting 70:70 similar balance, and then add equipment to make it a 80:80 build?..tq

[IguanaRampage]

You talked about how the speed of killing is hp + regeneration per pot - dmg given, but you left out crit . If it werent for crits, hybrid spears would easily beat glaives a very, very large %age of the time

u didnt read the whole of my post, right? look at the calcul, the critical power is almost the same. Sure Str has higher phy, but u forgot the mag of Int. Everyone use imbue, right?

I read your calculations, but go out and look at some lvl 75s pvp the crit power is definitely not almost the same between a pure strength and a hybrid strength.... much less hybrid int. If u say thats almost the same you can say their reg dmg is "almost the same". What is almost?

[XuChu]

@GodsAngel yea good way of thinking because silkroad isnt based on pure

ur almost there, the correct way to say it is....
SRO isn't based on build but instead based on gear

[IguanaRampage]

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

Stop using GNGWC as a defense for your build. A hybrid int has been proven to be strong already. There is a big difference between a 70:70 and a hybrid int spear. The only thing they have in common is sharing the name hybrid. GNGWC was clearly teamplay and not 1v1 when the main argument is the efficiency of 1v1 of a 70:70.

Do you even know the strategy Cuch used to win? No. If you do, then why haven't you stated them already.

i dont think 70:70 is all that bad, especially for certain uses. But with bow for 1v1.... no lol.

[longlost]

da realist tq for confirming that hybrid give the most dmg.

in case u havent read my last post

lol now pure str is debating about the survivability just like i have said before on this topic
even pure str crit is higher..but overal dmg won by hybrid... anyway wat we can really see from the comment of the winner is

1) int does add to dmg (mainly imbue)
2) pure str rely on high hp to kill
3) well balanced hybrid rely on high dmg to kill

even this guide is for bow, one thing for sure, balance build will give max dmg. so its the players choices, to make a dmg dealer or to be tanker.

oddly ppl still thinks that crit is higher then overal dmg, did u all see jadekiss past calculations??

the tourney champ said that they build hybrid cuz to deal the quickest and highest dmg.

because of this post i also thinks that bladder also can give higher dmg and kill more efficiently. in the past bladder are consider super tanker, why not build a killer bladder, with high dmg but average hp, who cares, u got KD and stab, ppl die faster before they can hit u enough.

anyway this is an interesting topic. tq for all the contributer.

so what is my vission about this topic??

1) hybrid bow give the most dmg dealer in game and thats the only upperhand bower have againts all other character.

2) hybrid is not for tanking. bower isnt for tanking at all. they must play hit and run. even if u get hit, u wont die easily cuz u still have hp and magic def.nono don ever tank!. cuz bower do not have any disable skill at all.

3)1v1?.. play hit and run. even the oppenent talk to u shit. u just play hit and run cuz ur not made for tanking.

actually im not flaming anyone at first. but seems like alot of them didnt read the topic well and alot of them argue about 1v1 in tanking situations. thats wat pisses me a bit. well ok ive stated my vission of this build to u all now. seems actually the main problem here is determining the main issue of this topic.

so do u all see now? the best bower is the best dmg dealer and best hit and runner tactics

[Da_Realest]

No one is saying you need to tank. You got to at least stay alive long enough to kill. I'll restate this again.

Spear hybrids have knockback and stun and 1k hp to keep them alive. Sword hybrids have kd, a shield to block, and the extra defense it has to survive a pure str. What does hybrid bow have? Nothing. You have nothing to buy you time to live to do that damage. Most int hybrids have a total balance of about 152% without alchemy and they still struggle to stay alive even with the the defensive things I stated above and the damage they do. Now how could a build that has 140% without alchemy stay alive long enough to do that damage when they have none of the reasons I stated above to buy them time? Who said the damage would even be enough? A pure str archer struggles to stay alive even with all the hp they have but they will last longer than the hybrid archers and probably deal equal damage in the time that it takes them to die.

It doesn't matter if you run, the other build can do it too. Ghost walk? They can get that too. All its going to take is a 1 or 2 stuns or 3 or 4 kds to end the fight. You can't stop them for pursuing you to give you enough time to pot back up to full health. If you run to long, they pot back to full health. To consider this working, you must critical almost each time you run in order to have a chance of killing them.

Hit and run doesn't work well on SRO. Mainly because the game registers hits and damage before the skill animation is executed so it wouldn't matter if you ghost walked away just before he used the skill. The game has already registered the attack. Meaning you could already be hit, stunned, kded, critical, or worse, dead.

This game has been out for a long time now. Many people who first started were not pures. I wasn't a pure either. Many were 70:70 or str hybrids because they wanted balance or felt their mp was too low. When people started to get beat by pure builds, people went pure str or pure int. Later some people experimented with hybrid int's with a int balance of about 85 and some 90.

I'm pretty sure if the 70:70 build was good, people would have known about it by now.

[IguanaRampage]

da realist tq for confirming that hybrid give the most dmg.

in case u havent read my last post

lol now pure str is debating about the survivability just like i have said before on this topic
even pure str crit is higher..but overal dmg won by hybrid... anyway wat we can really see from the comment of the winner is

1) int does add to dmg (mainly imbue)
2) pure str rely on high hp to kill
3) well balanced hybrid rely on high dmg to kill

even this guide is for bow, one thing for sure, balance build will give max dmg. so its the players choices, to make a dmg dealer or to be tanker.

oddly ppl still thinks that crit is higher then overal dmg, did u all see jadekiss past calculations??

the tourney champ said that they build hybrid cuz to deal the quickest and highest dmg.

because of this post i also thinks that bladder also can give higher dmg and kill more efficiently. in the past bladder are consider super tanker, why not build a killer bladder, with high dmg but average hp, who cares, u got KD and stab, ppl die faster before they can hit u enough.

anyway this is an interesting topic. tq for all the contributer.

so what is my vission about this topic??

1) hybrid bow give the most dmg dealer in game and thats the only upperhand bower have againts all other character.

2) hybrid is not for tanking. bower isnt for tanking at all. they must play hit and run. even if u get hit, u wont die easily cuz u still have hp and magic def.nono don ever tank!. cuz bower do not have any disable skill at all.

3)1v1?.. play hit and run. even the oppenent talk to u shit. u just play hit and run cuz ur not made for tanking.

actually im not flaming anyone at first. but seems like alot of them didnt read the topic well and alot of them argue about 1v1 in tanking situations. thats wat pisses me a bit. well ok ive stated my vission of this build to u all now. seems actually the main problem here is determining the main issue of this topic.

so do u all see now? the best bower is the best dmg dealer and best hit and runner tactics

dude u are quoting "the tourney champ" . I actually know cuchulainn in-game in Tibet and we talk a lot, and he did not say that the hybrid was to deal max dmg... a pure int deals max overall dmg and a pure str does higher crit dmg, hybrid a mix. In fact, if this thread becomes flamey and full of people saying things just to go with the rest of the pack he might like to have a look at this ^^.
@Da_Realest different builds are good for different things. I know a str hybrid who is actually incredibly good, surprisingly. Str hybrid glaive was my first build, and at the time I decided to read the forums and everyone said pure str was best, so I switched. In retrospect, I actually think a str hybrid glaive or spear is very appealing now, and if I played enough to actually train it to a high lvl I would go for it.
The max dmg for a bow build will always be int bow. Does that mean it's the best? Of course not. The problem I have most with this thread is saying that hybrid bow is "the best". Even it is the best for 1v1 (something I have seen time and again to be proven false), it is doubtlessly not the best in guild wars and job wars.
Hybrid bow IS NOT the highest damage-dealer in the game, pure int spear is. Highest dmg ever recorded on, say, a nachal, would go to pure str bow using devil arrow and crit though.


I will also say this: I have fought pure str bows as a pure int spear, and believe me if it weren't for that crit dmg I don't care if they did more consistent dmg they wouldn't beat me as much. On my Venice char, using a +4 sword and very good armor (all +3 / +4, +3 shield with decent BR, before "new" alchemy) I only lost to a bow when they crit either their strongbow or anti-devil and a few multi-arrows. I'm sure I would have been able to beat a hybrid bow much more easily.
On Tibet, I would 1-hit most hybrid bows, and since the only way str bows can beat me is via a strongbow crit, I don't believe hybrid bows would really be my superior generally. Then again, I'm nuking with npc armor / protector and a +9 spear... if a hybrid bow had last tier 5th degree garms +3 / +4, good str bonuses, and a +4 or better 42 bow yes they would beat me quite comfortably. As XuChu said, Gear > Build....except with int bows
If it makes u happy to use a hybrid, go ahead. Just don't be deceived into thinking hybrid bow is the best bow build.

[Da_Realest]

@Da_Realest different builds are good for different things. I know a str hybrid who is actually incredibly good, surprisingly. Str hybrid glaive was my first build, and at the time I decided to read the forums and everyone said pure str was best, so I switched. In retrospect, I actually think a str hybrid glaive or spear is very appealing now, and if I played enough to actually train it to a high lvl I would go for it.
The max dmg for a bow build will always be int bow. Does that mean it's the best? Of course not. The problem I have most with this thread is saying that hybrid bow is "the best". Even it is the best for 1v1 (something I have seen time and again to be proven false), it is doubtlessly not the best in guild wars and job wars.
Hybrid bow IS NOT the highest damage-dealer in the game, pure int spear is.

I agree. It hasn't been proven to be the best bow build. All they have is calculations and damage theories. If we were to go by what looks good on paper then a pure int spear would be the best 1v1 build. Obviously, when you play the game you will find that its quite the opposite.

[IguanaRampage]

@Da_Realest different builds are good for different things. I know a str hybrid who is actually incredibly good, surprisingly. Str hybrid glaive was my first build, and at the time I decided to read the forums and everyone said pure str was best, so I switched. In retrospect, I actually think a str hybrid glaive or spear is very appealing now, and if I played enough to actually train it to a high lvl I would go for it.
The max dmg for a bow build will always be int bow. Does that mean it's the best? Of course not. The problem I have most with this thread is saying that hybrid bow is "the best". Even it is the best for 1v1 (something I have seen time and again to be proven false), it is doubtlessly not the best in guild wars and job wars.
Hybrid bow IS NOT the highest damage-dealer in the game, pure int spear is.

I agree. It hasn't been proven to be the best bow build. All they have is calculations and damage theories. If we were to go by what looks good on paper then a pure int spear would be the best 1v1 build. Obviously, when you play the game you will find that its quite the opposite.

plz dont say that I'm a pure int spear
Yeah I agree though pure int spear is not the best for all-out 1v1, meaning no fleeing and doubleteaming people, though it would seem so on paper. Problem with this build is when you consider the skills AND the build, unlike what most are doing. When considering this, the build doesn't look like the best on paper either....

[Zing]

From my statistics from in game, server Aege; I've been getting a lot of positive comments on about hybrid bow. Specifically from high level players.
Which brings me the idea of going for this build. Even though the bow has a skill which increases the chance of a critical hit, the bow doesn't support physical only. As it is average in both physical and magical attacks.

There's been people with this build in Aege, such as Wind, who are good players. (Balance Hybrid Bow Built)

I'm not saying this build is the best for bow, but it seems like a very good one, since it matches of what a bow is set at. I currently have a balance hybrid bow, and I'm liking it. I can kill glaivers, swords, bladers, spears, and other bows at level 42 on 1 on 1. With job wars, I do well.

[IguanaRampage]

From my statistics from in game, server Aege; I've been getting a lot of positive comments on about hybrid bow. Specifically from high level players.
Which brings me the idea of going for this build. Even though the bow has a skill which increases the chance of a critical hit, the bow doesn't support physical only. As it is average in both physical and magical attacks.

There's been people with this build in Aege, such as Wind, who are good players. (Balance Hybrid Bow Built)

I'm not saying this build is the best for bow, but it seems like a very good one, since it matches of what a bow is set at. I currently have a balance hybrid bow, and I'm liking it. I can kill glaivers, swords, bladers, spears, and other bows at level 42 on 1 on 1. With job wars, I do well.

well good luck with that... considering str bows cant kill many builds at that lvl its a good sign . I also knew a hybrid bow in Venice... I think quite similar to this build. To be honest, he kinda suked but whatever thats cool good luck with the build! At least you're not saying its the best no questions asked...

[Jadekiss]

wow you guys keep on posting and discussing here....
i think i posted already that its up to you and only to you !
this bow guide might be not the best but i think and on my opinion and exp. its better than a full str bow.... it has a bigger chance in pvp to win and its the ultimative unique hunter build ! why ? just asked the ppl on aege who killed ysu and yarkan the most ....
(an i also post his equipment already no sos)

so can we pls stop discussing what is the best build ? we all have an other opinion so.... thats how we act like...we are all human and if we didnt think on a different way, we wouldnt be so experienced and earn more exp. right ?

i can say it only again...this build is only a help and a chance nothing else. take this chance or let it be we dont need to discuss about the crit and dmg shit anymore i think it shown enough already and the FACT is that ppl. have just an other opinion ...OK we accept it and for all those who see the main aspect for this build here and believe me make this bow char and have fun with it (maybe u guys will later thx me or not) but to all those who are against it just let it be and dont throw here some ppl with stones..... ITS JUST AN IDEA

so keep it real and go easy....

[Dempster]

my only problem with this post is 1, the title, 2 that he claims this build is "the best" and will own anyone.

[FK47]

Edit: Ignore.

[theCoder]

I play on Aege, and I know Wind and have seen him in action, as he and I are in the same union. I played a lvl 70 pure str fire bow before the cap raised. Quite honestly, Wind wasn't the one to go out looking for PvP opportunities, and since this BS alchemy, no one has really. Thanks to all the CCF'ers out there for ruining the game.

But I will say more than that, the whole aspect of PvP in this game has been destroyed by the alchemy changes. It is no longer dependent on your build that you work so hard on, no, it is about gambling and luck. The PvP in this game sucks, now.... horribly.... there is no point in arguing over builds.

My archer does some nasty crits, and crits a lot more frequently than Wind, and as such can potentially do more damage than Wind. But not if my target has anti-crit alchemy (anti-crit??? wtf???). So then magic damage wins the day once again. But oh well, I started out my build based on the ability to do crits, and the proverbial carpet was pulled out from under my feet.

Now they have radically changed the way mountain shield and fanning spear work, once again disadvantaging the bow build.



Currently Wind and I have one purpose on continueing gameplay, and that is to double, triple, and quaprupple team all the CCF'ers and botters on Aege. Our alliance comprises of 2 full unions now and growing.

Recommendation for a build? Why bother... Just throw that alchemied ccf'ed gear on anything, and you are as good as gold.

Oh yeah, as to the people who have killed Yarkan the most, WNxSoy from my guild has been up to 8 Yarkan kills in less than 2 weeks of the cap raise. And he is int sword hybrid. Our union alliance has by far the most Yarkan kills on the server. The reason is simple, build has nothing to do with it. Its just that no one bothers rezzing the known CCF'ers and botters.

[Zing]

Currently Wind and I have one purpose on continueing gameplay, and that is to double, triple, and quaprupple team all the CCF'ers and botters on Aege. Our alliance comprises of 2 full unions now and growing.

Wait. Lemme get this straight, are you trying to increase CCF? Or, are you trying to group up as many CCF players on your server?

And why?

Also, have fun to anyone trying to CCF, due to the level restrictions on buying astrals and immortals.

[FK47]

Uh, he said he's against CCFing...

Regardless of build... if you want to be the best archer, you'll need one of these:


*envy*

[EllisD]

Uh, he said he's against CCFing...

Regardless of build... if you want to be the best archer, you'll need one of these:


*envy*

[Jadekiss]

Btw yeah after the new alchemy thingy everything change.... i also wonder why they do that =/ now its depends on how rich you are and how much money you can waste on your equipment.... rich guy = better equipment = stronger

@FK47 btw nice bow lol i saw such a bow also on my server already... amazing shit

[theCoder]

Currently Wind and I have one purpose on continueing gameplay, and that is to double, triple, and quaprupple team all the CCF'ers and botters on Aege. Our alliance comprises of 2 full unions now and growing.

Wait. Lemme get this straight, are you trying to increase CCF? Or, are you trying to group up as many CCF players on your server?

And why?

Also, have fun to anyone trying to CCF, due to the level restrictions on buying astrals and immortals.

Just to clarify, I am utterly against CCF'ing and botting, as Wind is and our alliance (comprising of 2 full unions). We are the legitimate players/guilds/unions on Aege, and it is our task to make life on Aege miserable to all the low-life cheaters (CCF'ers, and botters).

We love the latest changes Joymax has made against ccf, just wish it would have come before the level gap was raised. Aege server already polluted with lvl 72 +7 weapons!

[IguanaRampage]

as XuChu and I said before
equips > build, especially with ccfers in the game.

[Zing]

Currently Wind and I have one purpose on continueing gameplay, and that is to double, triple, and quaprupple team all the CCF'ers and botters on Aege. Our alliance comprises of 2 full unions now and growing.

Wait. Lemme get this straight, are you trying to increase CCF? Or, are you trying to group up as many CCF players on your server?

And why?

Also, have fun to anyone trying to CCF, due to the level restrictions on buying astrals and immortals.

Just to clarify, I am utterly against CCF'ing and botting, as Wind is and our alliance (comprising of 2 full unions). We are the legitimate players/guilds/unions on Aege, and it is our task to make life on Aege miserable to all the low-life cheaters (CCF'ers, and botters).

We love the latest changes Joymax has made against ccf, just wish it would have come before the level gap was raised. Aege server already polluted with lvl 72 +7 weapons!

Ok, sorry for misunderstanding. Good to know more people making cheaters' lives miserable.

[taintofsleep]

#1 reason for me to change to hybrid bow: It's more fun than a strength bow. I was getting sick of str bow at 30, so, I made a hybrid. It's only at 19, but I have found it very fun to kill with. I don't really give a shit if str bow is/isn't better. If it's more fun then I'll play it.

[Jadekiss]

yeah that is right so
its your choice what u prefer and what not, you can play as a full str or a hybrid.

[IguanaRampage]

well on a positive note, I think this build would excel in killing sword nukers and bladers in team combat .