What do you think about powerleveling services

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:57 am

I for one think purchasing a powerleveling service is worse than using a bot. Joymax needs to make a rule against it... also against shared characters.

Edit: Since half the people seem to be clueless as to what I'm talking about- a powerleveling service is NOT the experience ticket in game, or shared party with your friends or anything like that. It is a dedicated company which you pay money to, give your characer information to, and within x weeks they will get you at x level. I would post the link to one of those sites to show an example, but that would probalby be against the rules.

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:04 am

theres no way to enforce it.

RYU · Post by **RYU** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:05 am

Those exp boosters in the item mall is worse than botters. Of course people who are willing to purchase these items believe it is fair...Joymax should have hidden fees in using those things and charge 25 cents a minute! lol

banzaimonkey · Post by **banzaimonkey** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:09 am

It's not worse than botting, imo. There's a huge difference between someone playing the game and a computer automating someone's character. I also don't see anything wrong with shared accounts, though it seems pointless in SRO since everyone can get an account for free. The problem isn't PLing, or account sharing (yes, I'm aware people share accs to level faster). The problem is that there's no way to report people for botting or other abusive behavior so the abusers simply continue what they're doing.

The other "problem" is that the XP curve is designed to make you spend money on XP scrolls and this mechanic is targeted at the casual player. The exploiter or hardcore player will find ways around the system so the XP scrolls won't make much difference to them. Keep in mind, the Item Mall is how Joymax makes their money. It makes perfect business sense to make the items desirable and to target them at the group of players they're attracting (casual gamers).

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:11 am

RYU wrote:Those exp boosters in the item mall is worse than botters. Of course people who are willing to purchase these items believe it is fair...Joymax should have hidden fees in using those things and charge 25 cents a minute! lol

I'm not talking about XP scrolls, I'm talking about paying a company money and they rotate people 24 hours a day on your character making him constantly gain experience.

banzaimonkey · Post by **banzaimonkey** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:13 am

Stallowned wrote:I'm not talking about XP scrolls, I'm talking about paying a company money and they rotate people 24 hours a day on your character making him constantly gain experience.

See above. Is it cheaper to spend 100 bucks on XP scrolls over the course of a few months or just pay to have your character powerleveled?

RYU · Post by **RYU** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:15 am

Oh my bad! lol XD

Thats not so bad then... yea botters still are worse compared to rotators. Why would it matter if someone was doing that or not...As long as the game keeps running...its fine.

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:20 am

banzaimonkey wrote:It's not worse than botting, imo. There's a huge difference between someone playing the game and a computer automating someone's character. I also don't see anything wrong with shared accounts, though it seems pointless in SRO since everyone can get an account for free. The problem isn't PLing, or account sharing (yes, I'm aware people share accs to level faster). The problem is that there's no way to report people for botting or other abusive behavior so the abusers simply continue what they're doing.

The other "problem" is that the XP curve is designed to make you spend money on XP scrolls and this mechanic is targeted at the casual player. The exploiter or hardcore player will find ways around the system so the XP scrolls won't make much difference.

I came from a game called Runescape (I'm sorry

), and in that game they had a "report abuse" button. Basically you pressed it and typed in the player's name and it had a list of offenses, from account sharing which was prohibited on that game, logging in on multiple characters simultaneously, to botting, to racism etc. You would select the offence and press submit and it would send the report to the company along with whatever happened in the past 60 or so seconds. A person who has accumulated several reports will be watched carefully by the company. Of course people will always try to abuse things, so abusing that system would have consequences. If that was implemented and Joymax actually gave half a damn about those people, it would rid sro of many bad apples.

As bad as Runescape as a game was, it's customer service\support (while itself not being great) was 10000000000x better than silkroad's, which is basically non-existant.

Edit:

RYU wrote:Oh my bad! lol XD

Thats not so bad then... yea botters still are worse compared to rotators. Why would it matter if someone was doing that or not...As long as the game keeps running...its fine.

I don't get it? Why does everyone hate botters with such a passion, and not care about this? It's basically the same thing.

banzaimonkey · Post by **banzaimonkey** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:32 am

Stallowned wrote:I don't get it? Why does everyone hate botters with such a passion, and not care about this? It's basically the same thing.

Not really. :P Similar in purpose, perhaps, but not the same. One is an issue of exploiting / abusing / etc. and the other is an issue of RMT.

penquinz · Post by **penquinz** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:07 am

yeah but remember.

SRO is free.

don't blame SRO for not being as good as it is, as you don' thave ot pay money for it. once you have to pay for the game, flame all you want.

but remmeber that on the other side, many people have worked off their asses just so that you can have a wonderful gaming experience.

p00nstar · Post by **p00nstar** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:11 am

True, true... but why work your ass alot harder to clothe them in pajamas

*edit* wrong thread lol.

Lemon · Post by **Lemon** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:14 am

Monition · Post by **Monition** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:36 pm

i don't really mind. To me, having that kind of service is very different from botting. in botting, noone is paying effort to level a character. and if you use this service, at least there's people playing it.

plus, i don't think there's anything wrong with sharing accounts. if a bunch of friends seriously just want to play one account and not have their own... cuz they don't have their own computers or whatever... then by all means, im not gonna stop them from sharing an account.

AyaChan · Post by **AyaChan** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:41 pm

Paying for leveling services is just as bad as botting imo. If you can't play the game the way it was meant to be - then go somewhere else. >.<

Cripes, can you imagine how these people play Solitaire???

Ricco · Post by **Ricco** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:03 pm

I agree with Aya.
Don't play the game to be the best. Play it for the experience and fun.

Nguyen · Post by **Nguyen** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:19 pm

Powerleveling is something, I think the chinese started. I was talking to some one yesterday about it and you might know how bad the chinese live, and it is so populated they can't get jobs easily. So they get in a house to gether have people pay them to lan, start a party and play all day all night. This is very expensive though. Its like 500 to get to level 40 or something like that.

Your New God · Post by **Your New God** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:42 pm

I could not care less, seriously.

Eckho · Post by **Eckho** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:58 pm

Powerleveling characters doesnt bother me...I dont understand it tho.. I mean this is a GAME that u play...so what fun is it to pay someone else to play the game. I understand the purpose behind power leveling but once u become that uber character...then what do u do? Your at ur cap and the game is over. Either way...I say live and let live

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:36 pm

Stallowned wrote:
RYU wrote:Those exp boosters in the item mall is worse than botters. Of course people who are willing to purchase these items believe it is fair...Joymax should have hidden fees in using those things and charge 25 cents a minute! lol

I'm not talking about XP scrolls, I'm talking about paying a company money and they rotate people 24 hours a day on your character making him constantly gain experience.

o im agaist that but i don't mind taking a lower level player up to higher level grounds in a party to help

taalon · Post by **taalon** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:56 pm

First off i agree botters suck, and those that pay for a rotater charecuter only hurt themselfs, wow they payed to have a char levled, and they know nothing of the charectures weaknesses and strengths.

As far as power leveling, most individuals do not understand what a power level truly is, first it is not a rotater. I agree the gold ticket is aimed at the casual player, but it also is aimed at the hardcore player, cause the xp curve is in to prevent power leveling.

powerleveling in short is when you would use a level 60 to kill level 60 mobs with a level 20 in a group sharing the xp. The way the xp share is in this game it is designed to stop powerleveling. In games where powerleveling works what happens is say level 20 gets 100 pts for a kill when he solos a red monster, well if he groups with a higher level and the higher level kills a white mob and the level 20 gets 100 pts for the kill. Then he is being power leveled, as the higher level is killing 2-3 times faster on white mobs then the level 20 could kill a red mob. That is power leveling.

I so disagree with not being able to share an account. Any company that tries to prevent this asks for their own downfall, as many parents share accounts with their kids so they can keep a eye on them. Also banning mulitple accounts is stupid also. The idea with allowing mulitple accounts is in most cases insurer more income. Plus how can you verify that a person with mulitiple accounts did not just sign up with his info for another user in the home like a child?! Again asking to cut your foot off.

As far as giving your account info to some game company to play it for you, lol in SRO that is really stupid, i know you can change your password, however try to go find the place to change it on the SRO site, its not in a easy to find place at all. So in essence any person they pay to play your charecuter has your info. Plus why would they give you all the Seal items that drop, you have no idea if they did or not. That company or the player of that game could hand them off to a friend thus stealing them from you without your knowledge. There are to many loop holes in this as i can see, id never give anyone my account info to play for me it only hurts me in the long run.

Ja · Post by Ja » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:17 pm

botters eh theyre botters... i saw a powerleveling service that gauranteed a lvl 60 acct in a week =/... i mean its just like buying an account right... either way your not the one leveling the character.. as long as its not your computer i think powerleveling is fine... in the end whos the loser who spent $500+ on a free game.. >.<

and what if its a scamm!!!! O_O

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:24 pm

Ok, so someone please tell me what makes someone who has used a program to get to a high level a bad person, while someone who paid other people to do it for him held at basically the same level as you or me? It just makes absolutely no sense to me. In the end the same thing is achieved- a high level with very little to no effort put into it by the actual person.

Geobot · Post by **Geobot** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:32 pm

botters eh theyre botters... i saw a powerleveling service that gauranteed a lvl 60 acct in a week

lvl 60 in a week? sounds like a scam to me. even 24/7 hardcore grinding, i can't see that at all.

either way, i agree, it's basically botting or buying an account. except it's ridiculously more expensive.

the only upside is that someone's probably making a living on this. if you think about it that way, it could almost be like charity. not that i'd do it, but at least this way someone's getting a nice chunk of money out of it. if someone's willing to spend it, someone's willing to take it.

Macro · Post by **Macro** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:34 pm

The difference between botting and PL services is that botters don't actually play, they let a program play for them. PL services are services that you have to actually pay for, whether it be In-game gold, or IRL money. Personally, I don't think this is bad in any way. Botters are there lvling for free, with no risk ( If they DL from trusted sites ), while people that want PL services are paying people. Unlike botting, PL services has alot more risks involved.

I can name two:

-Trust
-Agreements ( Will the money earned from the Power Leveler using the char be split? How will SOS items if found be handled? Etc )

Although botting and PL services share the same purpose; Having something or someone level your char for you - PL services comes with a price.

Really, there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's a persons choice whether or not they want to use any of these two. The best way to avoid it is to just ignore it. Crying about them will get you nowhere.

Nguyen · Post by **Nguyen** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:35 pm

Geobot wrote:
botters eh theyre botters... i saw a powerleveling service that gauranteed a lvl 60 acct in a week

lvl 60 in a week? sounds like a scam to me. even 24/7 hardcore grinding, i can't see that at all.

either way, i agree, it's basically botting or buying an account. except it's ridiculously more expensive.

the only upside is that someone's probably making a living on this. if you think about it that way, it could almost be like charity. not that i'd do it, but at least this way someone's getting a nice chunk of money out of it. if someone's willing to spend it, someone's willing to take it.

Yesh, Many Chinese do this for a living. a Few of them get in a house together, or more like a basement. And they just grind all day party use scrolls, just becuase they can't find a real job.

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:36 pm

illegitimacy is illegitimacy. different forms, same result.

Kenjura · Post by **Kenjura** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:43 pm

Im against power leveling in this game. (Because Its hard to get and you have to pay)

If a game is to have power leveling that NO ONE objects to, it has to be similar to Conquer Online's power lvling. (The creators actually endorse plvling) The power leveler gets points that he/she can spend on these things called Dragon Balls (like elixirs) and the person being power leveled gets to level up fast and free. Everyone wins. Something like that in SRO would be nice.

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:46 pm

yeah, but that's not quite the same thing we're talking about. we're not talking about a share exp pt w/ lower lvl people to boost their exp... we're talking about paying someone or a company to lvl your character for you.

TuthankhamoN · Post by **TuthankhamoN** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:52 am

AyaChan wrote:Paying for leveling services is just as bad as botting imo. If you can't play the game the way it was meant to be - then go somewhere else. >.<

Cripes, can you imagine how these people play Solitaire???

oooohhh.. so.. am i BAD like boters huh ??

i'm playing tis game ACTiVE ( daily 5-6 hours ) and gaining MORE exp than you. cuz i choosed tat service. atleast 3 hours more exp than normal times.. boosting my MORALE too..

how could u put BOT and tis services in same side ????

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:01 am

TuthankhamoN wrote:
AyaChan wrote:Paying for leveling services is just as bad as botting imo. If you can't play the game the way it was meant to be - then go somewhere else. >.<

Cripes, can you imagine how these people play Solitaire???

oooohhh.. so.. am i BAD like boters huh ??

i'm playing tis game ACTiVE ( daily 5-6 hours ) and gaining MORE exp than you. cuz i choosed tat service. atleast 3 hours more exp than normal times.. boosting my MORALE too..

how could u put BOT and tis services in same side ????

Do people read everything in a topic before posting? Clearly we are not talking about the same thing at all. I have edited the original post because it seems to many people have no idea what I'm talking about and end up messing up the vote.

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