What to do about begging in the guild

hellsharpt · Post by **hellsharpt** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:32 pm

What do other guild masters do when you get someone that begs guildmates for money/items?

Personally I don't like it and will tell the person flat out no. There's a big difference between someone needing help and 'needing' to buy SOS.

I remind everyone that they should never give out more than they can afford to lose, especially to new members.

If the begging becomes habitual or others are being bothered by it I have to put an end to it one way or another.

Priam · Post by **Priam** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:02 pm

Talk to him, or if that doesn’t work kick um out. When I still had my own guild I had some of those. Even some asking people to buy them silk :S And some whom told me they were botting, and asked if I had a problem with that, like: YEAH!

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:16 pm

Seems to be pretty standard to ask the person to stop what they're doing, "otherwise you'll be kicked," and to advice the guild to ignore the person. If the prob persists, follow through on your word.

ponder · Post by **ponder** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:38 pm

^ totally agree with those two, have a word with the dude, if they do actually need help then thats fine ill give em some cash to buy pots or whatever, but if its cause they need an SOS/wolf or something expensive like that, they can forget it and if they keep begging me or others in the guild they can go find another guild after 3 days

hi_babe_ · Post by **hi_babe_** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:07 pm

hellsharpt wrote:What do other guild masters do when you get someone that begs guildmates for money/items?

personnally i m not a guild master but if i was one and that i see a guildie begging, i will follow those 2 steps :
step 1 : i click on the member's name on member list.
step 2 : i click on the withdraw button and bye babe

khang · Post by **khang** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:14 pm

lolz

i think u guys what teh word guild mean

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:20 pm

my members know that if they need something and we as a guild have it to give, they'll get it, but there's such a huge level of trust among us that no one ever thinks twice about lending anything. all of our new members are recruits of other, older members, and every time i get a new recruit, i assign responsibility of that person to the one who recruited them. so if person X recruits person Y, Y is X's responsibility. if Y doesn't live up to our standards, it falls upon X to either get them in line or explain to them why they're being kicked. this sense of mutual responsibility for each other has a) helped moderate the types of people we recruit (people are only gonna recruit people they know will fit in well and be positive contributors to the guild) and b) shown new recruits that their actions have repercussions on their friends, who recruited them. if someone's recruit is begging, that person will jump all over the beggar and make sure it's stopped, or else it's their ass :)

Anh_Hung_Rom · Post by **Anh_Hung_Rom** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:23 pm

There's a big difference between someone needing help and 'needing' to buy SOS.

Yeah. I would help out any guildmate who needs help in dire cash situation. However, begging to buy something isn't the way to go. It's ridiculous that they ask you for money to buy gear YOU can't even afford. It's like asking a homeless to get a mansion in Malibu.

Ask him/her to stop and if continue, kick man. A guild is suppose to be about helping each other and get stronger as a group, not a place for individuals to take advantage of others.

Edit: love suicidegrl system. I was thinking something along that line but never really implement it.

Braxton · Post by **Braxton** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:33 pm

I have 33 members in my guild and only like 2 of them beg. I explain to them that they must be in it a while before we give them guild storage. We help veterans in the guild out and the noobies think we owe them a wolf or a sos lvl 32 bow. :banghead:

This new recruit is only lvl 14 and he keeps begging for gulid storage even after I explained to him its only 4th degree up. I might boot him soon, because enough is enough. He literaly askes me every 10 minutes for guild storage and this other guy begs us all day for a sos lvl 16 bow..wtf Off the topic our guild storage is pretty cool, we use it as a community storage..whatever you put in..be it a sosun lvl 52 blade, you give up rights to it and its free game to the next person, if you take something out you put something in at or around the same value (it works great like this incase anyone is needing a new guild storage sollution. We always have 3 pages full of pretty nice equip for lower level people to use.

Post by **Ryoko** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:42 pm

Honestly, the only people who ever begged were new people

And after they beg for a day, we wait until their off line and accidently kick them out of the guild.

Ooooopss (hides)

Coincidently, I'm never available afterwords to add them back to the guild >.<

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:58 pm

no one but officers in BH has guild storage. we got our GS robbed twice, and i'll never let it happen again. there are 3 people other than me who have it, and i would trust them with anything, in-game or out.

the system we have in place now works really well. everyone looks out for each other, encourages each other to grind and lvl up, etc. we're on a 500 GP/week system now; either grind 500GP (which takes, what, an hour?) or get a warning. two consecutive warnings and you're out. (warnings seperated by weeks in which you do your 500 don't generally lead to a kick unless it's habitual). then, the top 3 GP earners in the guild get union chat and the top 5 get recruitment ability (which comes w/ the responsibilities listed above). it's an imperfect system, as it favors farmers, but i'm looking for a way to moderate that; perhaps dividing GP total each week by mastery gap that week? not sure that'll directly translate either though. i keep an excel spreadsheet w/ everyone's weekly totals, and take SS right before inspection each week for that week's numbers. i send each member a mail telling them how much they got that week and what their starting total is for the coming week, and then award powers accordingly. it takes a long time for me to do, but everyone in the guild LOVES the system, and i have to say that i have the most active BH that has ever existed right now. we're back up to 32 members, and there's nearly always a bunch of people online except for server peak hours when it's hard to get on.

does anyone else use a system like this? i know DarKStalKer on Xian does, as i worked out my system based in part on some things they do. curious to know what kinds of things other guilds are doing.

CodeOfSilence · Post by **CodeOfSilence** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:10 pm

You people are so selfish, really, you all are selfish. the e-money made all of you selfish. well some might be selfish just by nature but really most who play this game are selfish just like everyone who has posted so far.

I quit this game for a month or 2, i gave all my stuff to my guild, the most epensive i had was a +4 glavie. then i got back into the game, my guild memebers all of them were lvl 45+ and i was bearly 30. to make the story short, i asked for some help, some money, some various items and whatever. 1 person gave me some, and later on this 1 person bought me a wolf for 1.5mill which i repaid back the next day when i got a SOS drop. so thats all.

Besides that, there has been one other person that has given me stuff without me asking for it, he gives me money, equips, potions whatever even on the battleground, and only because this guy was in the same situation i was and he knows how it feels to quit the game, start over at lvl 3x and have no good equips or money.

Also have you considered another possibily that if you buy your guild member an SOS, he wont beg you anymore? that SOS will allow him to grind longer, kill faster, have his character endure more hours in battle due to the kill rate, and the drops he will get might increase.

But seriously now, i see everywhere people saying "this game should be fun, just go and have fun" its a game, and it suppose to be fun, but then why not help someone have fun when you have the means to help him. You are levl 50+ and your guild member is lvl 30, if you get a decent lvl 30 drop give it to him and he will respect you even more.

Stop being so damn selfish for f..sake, its a game, they are not begging you for your real money.

cl0aked · Post by **cl0aked** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:28 pm

I gave a +4 lv 32 spear for a lvl 31 member. She was so happy ;}

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:51 pm

CodeOfSilence:

selfish? begging begets begging. sure, there will be people who will get what they begged for and never beg again, but why do you think high lvl players are all constantly beset w/ trade requests and pms of "10k pls" whever we job or PvP at town gates? it's because some people will ALWAYS ask for a handout before doing the hard work and earning what they need.

even though we're not talking about real currency, it's still stuff that we put OUR time and effort into. why should we just give it away? especially if it's going to make OUR gaming experience less enjoyable when we're short on funds down the road?

there's something to be said for generosity, and believe me, i give gold to whoever asks me for it, as long as i trust them to get it back to me. but by giving handouts to people who beg, you're just reinforcing in them that they can get what they want without doing the work to deserve it. it's a bad habit that carries over to everything in the game. soon they'll be botting because it's easier than grinding and has the same result. don't want this to become a botting topic, but the parallels are there.

it has nothing to do w/ being selfish. BlackHand is a family, and as the head of that family, it is partially my responsibility to promote good habits in my members, especially those who are lower lvl and may not have been playing as long. if you always rely on others for everything, how can you ever stand on your own?

your character's strength comes from YOUR strength of character.

Post by **Ryoko** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:02 pm

Theres a HUGE difference between

People who beg for freebies all day
People who got screwed and need help

I was burnt out one day and had some fun, leveled a new char 1-12. Didn't give her any money.

I had to sit a few times to regen instead of autopot. So what. I started with 0 gold and I was fine. This game gives low levels so many drops, its not even funny. My entire inventory was full of drops. I didnt even stall. I just NPC'ed it and it was enough.

At yeoha, I invited exchange with some male character, and gave him everything male in my inventory. In return, he put female gears in the window. Didn't even talk to the guy. And sure as shit, his gloves and pants changed seconds after, and I put on new talisman and boots.

Sure I logged in and said "oh wow, we start with 0 gold". But I didnt feel compelled to beg and nag people around me for money.

hellsharpt · Post by **hellsharpt** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:54 pm

I specifically stated that there is a difference between begging for an SOS and people that need help. If you can't buy pots, I'll help, I also try to have some mid level gear available and have loaned out alot of gear, most of which I never saw again due to them forgetting, being poor or quitting the game. The individual in question was in the guild less than a day and hit up every member. He wanted 15M.

I'm not rich in game, in fact 2 weeks before the event I had less than a million to my name, and I didn't have anything to sell off that I wasn't using. A million may sound like alot, but potions cost 20k per stack and buying 1 piece of decent (non SOS) gear costs ~300-400k for 7th degree. 8th degree is triple that.

I run a level 5 guild, and I paid for approx half the cost of its leveling (level 5 is 21M, lev 4 is 15M). Why did I do it, so the members could invite more friends in, not because I got some big bonus for it.

I am not your babysitter, mom or dad. It is not my job to give you gold or items. I've managed to support 2 characters (67 and 58 ) starting with nothing. No handouts, no freebies. Should I sacrafice my gameplay and get lesser gear so that you can wear a full SOS set and "own" at level 30, and probabaly never make it past level 40. How pathetic are you that you can't take the time and earn some cash of your own. What exactly does a beggar contribute to a guild?

You talk about selfishness and greed in others, look at what you are asking and who you are asking for, your self. You assume that becasue someone has more than you you are entitled to it.

I share with those I know well and trust, when I can. I've been burned too many times by selfish, greedy little scammers to do otherwise.

I've made up my mind, I won't waste my time or energy on people that take the fun away from a game.

and to SG... wow thats complex.

matronyx · Post by **matronyx** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:17 pm

In this game playing from 1 to lvl 30 is so wonderful. The droprate at those levels make it unnecessary to buy items or even to trade. Besides, you level so fast pimping out your gear alchemy wise is a waste.
That being said, I do not tolerate begging from those below lvl 30 in my guild. If you need something ask once, a reply will be given. Guild storage access isn't much of a problem either seeing that EVERYONE in the guild knows each other IRL (In-Real-Life), maybe a 5 min drive away from the other, so a measure of trust is there.
However if someone new is in the guild we can assign another member to take charge of giving them items in GS (guild storage).
Another thing that can be annoying is the lvl 20 trader begging for escorts for his 5* from Jangan to Donwhang. In a case like that we tactfully explain that trading isn't necessary until lvl 30 and it is alot more dangerous before then even doing a 1*. I normally ask "Can you walk from Jangan to Donwhang? Kill any monster you encounter on the way?". If they can then they are encouraged to do 1*....unless of course we are having a guild run then we bring em along.
Then those that beg for a wolf. We explain that maintaining a wolf takes money, if it dies thats 100k to res it. Best they wait untill they can protect it properly... that being around lvl 30.
If they cant understand these simple reasons for not buying a wolf before then, or trading, or begging of money then in the end they are kicked.

Black_Mamba · Post by **Black_Mamba** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:27 pm

SuicideGrl wrote:but everyone in the guild LOVES the system.

Yeah I especially love our weekly system, I've always been a pretty insane grinder anyway but knowing there's a little friendly competition going on it's even more motivational to grind away every night.

The average beggar is usually annoying, just wanting gold handouts, non guildless ones I just toss a coin on the floor, if their dead and screaming RESSSS at me and nobody else is around I'll toss 100k on the floor next to them which cracks me up cuz they can't pick it up lol

But guildies I dunno, nobody in our guilds ever really begged for anything, I'd rather just lend people stuff that I think could get some good use out of it, I lent Ping my whole anti freeze set so he could do the spiders set and I gave him 13 int tabs, I +3 guildies stuff for them, I do it cuz I want to do it, if they asked me in a begging way I wouldn't do it.

Up to 64+ you get so many drops anyway to npc that you shouldn't even need to beg for stuff.

I've only ever had to borrow gold once and that was when the cave didn't give me a single drop in 9 days and it cleaned me out buying pots, if someone needs pots then that's fair enough you can't play without them, I won't just throw SOS gear at people though or buy them anything like that. I like independance from people.

CodeOfSilence · Post by **CodeOfSilence** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:46 pm

im not talking about random people who send pms. im talking about guild members, someone that has been in your guild for months and years. if you have something that you dont need then i would give it to them, big deal if you make 50k by selling it, so dont send your wolf out so many times lol.

CodeOfSilence · Post by **CodeOfSilence** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:56 pm

hellsharpt wrote:
You talk about selfishness and greed in others, look at what you are asking and who you are asking for, your self. You assume that becasue someone has more than you you are entitled to it.
.

lol dude you are talking to the person who exchnaged a lvl 20 wolf for a SOS lvl 34 garment. not only that, but you are talking probably to the only person who sells 99% of his stuff to the NPC. inculding elixirs, except weapon, cuz i use those myself. So really, who is greedy here? i collect every drop that i get, from tablets to useless stuff, just so i can enhance my items myself and dont have to pay 120k to buy a ring. i havent even owned an item that has been higher than +4 which i made myself. I wanted to sell a lvl 24 SOS shield for 700k!! and got scammed by greedy retards. so really tell me who thinks that is entitled to free stuff. dont talk like you know me.

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:02 pm

hellsharpt wrote:I run a level 5 guild, and I paid for approx half the cost of its leveling (level 5 is 21M, lev 4 is 15M). Why did I do it, so the members could invite more friends in, not because I got some big bonus for it.

O.O i pay 1/3 each time and thats more than enough here in my guild
btw i love SG guild system but that wuld b so hard to implement for a guilds that 2month old.

Anh_Hung_Rom wrote:Edit: love suicidegrl system. I was thinking something along that line but never really implement it.

btw Rom when did you ever run a guild?i never knew dat i thought u were always Epic.btw Epics coming to my union soon... most likely ^^

and most time when begging happens is when some guy recruits someone for no reason and its clearly stated in guild notice no begging in Shao_lin so its instant kick.when i say beg i mean "man! give me 900k! i really need wolf!"

SuicideGrl · Post by **SuicideGrl** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:06 pm

CodeOfSilence, why are you so hostile? no one is calling you out here... hellsharpt's message was a general statement, not directed at you. don't take things out of context, please. if you are as generous as you say youare, then good karma is going to follow you. but it's notright for you to judge other people just because they don't choose to follow suit.

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:14 pm

CodeOfSilence wrote:
hellsharpt wrote:
You talk about selfishness and greed in others, look at what you are asking and who you are asking for, your self. You assume that becasue someone has more than you you are entitled to it.
.

lol dude you are talking to the person who exchnaged a lvl 20 wolf for a SOS lvl 34 garment. not only that, but you are talking probably to the only person who sells 99% of his stuff to the NPC. inculding elixirs, except weapon, cuz i use those myself. So really, who is greedy here? i collect every drop that i get, from tablets to useless stuff, just so i can enhance my items myself and dont have to pay 120k to buy a ring. i havent even owned an item that has been higher than +4 which i made myself. I wanted to sell a lvl 24 SOS shield for 700k!! and got scammed by greedy retards. so really tell me who thinks that is entitled to free stuff. dont talk like you know me.

all that crap prooved your poor not generous

CodeOfSilence wrote:im not talking about random people who send pms. im talking about guild members, someone that has been in your guild for months and years. if you have something that you dont need then i would give it to them, big deal if you make 50k by selling it, so dont send your wolf out so many times lol.

dude my guilds been 2 months so i dont think not giving some1 a sos cuz they been in guild for 5minute is selfish.

lol i do all that also,btw u aint the onlywho lends money,but looks like your one those"do good deed to get praise back."and come bragging about u giving ur items away.it's not like i havent given gold away to my friends on this game.
well ill tell ya something i played a game called MapleStory for 1month just myself 1month trading on the market i made 10m and one day i felt like not playing and gave all my 10m and rares awhile 2 random ppl.so now u and ur +4 glaive can just stfu.

cuchulainn · Post by **cuchulainn** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:16 pm

CodeOfSilence: you're obviously misinterpreting 99% of this thread's posts.

We're saying it's one thing to ask for money from guildmates when you don't have enough gold to buy pots to go grind. It's entirely different when you want gold so you can buy yourself a SOS weapon or a wolf. Especially with new members, asking for money when you can easily get by without it is annoying. If you really want that SOS, do trades until you can afford it. Ask a guildmate to help you do trades instead of asking for gold. If you actually need the gold to be able to grind (afford pots, etc), I doubt any guildmate would think twice before lending you some money so you can buy pots.

Black_Mamba · Post by **Black_Mamba** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:24 pm

Not a guildie but he does look funny diving for those 1 gold drops lol

pingpongboss · Post by **pingpongboss** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:37 pm

lol yup. Like suicide says, we all love the guild GP system. We all trust eachother here since every new recruit is well chosen. When addressing eachother, we use our first names. If I need something, my friends in the guild are more than happy to borrow or sell me something at a low price, like what black mamba did ^^

I dont see the point of having people in the guild if they keep begging and being annoying. A guild should be like a family.

Kitt · Post by **Kitt** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:58 am

Ive never beged or asked anyone for anything other then if they had elements to buy but other then that i felt if i didnt have the gold to get it i could either save it or just didnt need it. I always share with my guild and my guildies do the same we always check with other guildies to see if they need something before we get rid of it. As for beggers ive only had 1 problem he started begging 2 mins after i had invited him in I asked him not to beg shortly i had to go to work but when i came home i saw he was in guild chat begging for gold and items and from one of my friends that was higher lvl , also after i had left my sister had given him some gold yet he still begged for stuff 9 hours later. I ended up kicking him out , not like i didnt warn him. :banghead:

4-n-zics · Post by **4-n-zics** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:08 am

I was in the same boat at you hellsharpt.. I was co-leader of a guild and we had several members who constantly begged for gold and items. The would even go so far as to ask for items to sell (stall) that we would normally stall and then say that they wanted 75% of the profit from selling. When they would beg for gold they wanted it so they could get that low level SOS item/weapon. Through almost 53 levels I have only had 3 SOS items and they were from drops. Why in the world would I want to give you 600K to buy a SOS item when I have really never had one myself? Anyway, we would send PMs and mail to them telling them to stop.. even so far as posting guild messages about the begging. Nothing worked. Myself and several others finally decided to leave the guild and join another (more active) guild that was in our Union. We still control the original guild, but are much better off in the new one.

With your guild/union being so large and high level that solution would not be advisable to you. I would suggest telling them to stop the begging and if they don't they get the boot.

vulperin · Post by **vulperin** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:14 pm

WOW...I haven't thought of this yet about beggars...

Hmmmm....

Guild members who need help( trade/money for pots) VS guild members constantly asking for money.

I seriously think if one didn't spent too much on upgrading their gears, one can afford pots. If a guild members needed money to buy pots i would gladly lend them. BUT, if he ask me to give him items CONSTANTLY. Well goodbye to him. Guild is meant for people to gather together to be strong/fun/help each other RESPONSIBLY. You just can't use guild as your "Credit card" and ask for money/items whenever you like.

Greedy? Those high lvl people should know that earning money is not easy. It is either through grinding/marketing or the worst scamming. No easy way to earn money unless you HACK/BOT/ CCF

Glad that i haven't met anyone in my guild who begs. But i think i have to talk about this matter with the guild leader

Musaboru · Post by **Musaboru** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:21 pm

I give away a lot of stuff; lots of gold to beggar in-game 'friends' who barely speak any English... 50k at a time, lots equipment drops, even my +3 bows that I no longer need, three wolves but yet I rarely get anything in return. I don't have to do it. I only do it out of sympathy, but the sympathy shouldn't even be there because it is not at all difficult to pick up gold. I even buy them a trade flag and have them come to Hotan with me but they no longer have the gold I gave them yesterday to buy any trade cargo so I have to give them more. These people that are begging are very lazy and don't want to pick up their drops or even other player's drops. They are the ones that usually take a month to get from lvl 20 to 30.

There is suppose to be no beggars in this game, gold is suppose to be taken for granted here because having them drop every time you kill a mob is like having money grow on trees.

Someone in my guild invited this lowbie that kept asking to powerlevel him. I didn't mind doing it, but it got really annoying that the guild master just booted him. And it turned out that I was still in the same party with him while it he got banned from the guild and I had to explain to him. Ugh.

So you guys can be nice all you want but there will always be beggars because there will always be stupid people. I think the best way to deal with it now is to remove them from your friends list and ban them from your guild. Some people can't even learn to go out on a gold picking-up adventure; so just boot them and make them learn the hard way.

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