5x Str-Archer Losing Faith

Drachten · Post by **Drachten** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:10 am

I have a str 5x archer a high crit bow and str/int on my equipment. I have spent a huge amount of time earning money for equipment.

My build is three trees: bow (no autumn but just about everything else), fire (imbue, passive, body), and lightning (grass, pierce).

I mainly play PvM now and do not PvP much (mainly because it is so easy to get youâ€™re butt handed to you). I do fine in group PvP, nothing spectacular.

I am KSâ€™d by just about every other class in the game. Players come up while I am plinking away at a mob and nuke into it oblivion, others knock it down so I cannot hit it and stab its guts out. But more than this, our damage output is just abysmal.

Though we get some good shots in there with crits, our damage over time is depressing compared to other classes. And yes, I am comparing because if you do not kill fast, people come up and kill what you are working on for you.

In the 20s, I thought my damage was so low because my skills were not in place. Then in the 30s you just shake your head and think, well my equipment is not that great. By the 40s I was concerned. In the mid 50s I am considering scrapping the character. The damage sucks, range is no big advantage in this game at all in PvM and definitely not in PvP. In PvM we are supposed to be good and we are ok, when not being KSâ€™d into oblivion by passersby.

So is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Any other high level brother archers out there with a payoff for all this pain?

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:31 am

Sorry to tell you that you're right. Archers are a depressing class, and mostly only useful in group pvp and lvling.

Slow att's, somewhat-weak power, and as much health as a pure blader. Crits are your only saving grace. In our server there's only 2/3 decent 70's and one that's pretty good.....w/her sos+7 >_>

If you are really dedicated to your char, and $ is not an option, get some reallocation pts and become a blader or glavier. You won't regret it.

XxDeceptoRxX · Post by **XxDeceptoRxX** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:20 am

imo.. get to 69?
once you do you should see that bowers are def not weaker than bladers (imo; unless +7/sos is involved)

"Crits are your only saving grace" i once did 20k on an earth ghost soldier giant, it is decent damage for a bower don't you think so?
i could say "stun is your only saving grace" for glaivers or "high damage is your only saving grace" for nukers or "shield/kd is your only saving grace" for bladers...

you getting ksed? unless you shoot regular arrows they shouldn't be able to, in fact bowers are the pro ksers in this game
2 shot mobs or else you're grinding on the wrong things at the wrong place

"range is no big advantage in this game at all in PvM and definitely not in PvP"
a 1-2 hour grinding session at the caves only takes me a stack of hp pots.. my gear is only +3 and i don't use the def buffs while grinding. that's one reason for pvm.. pvp; guess you haven't done a war yet. also most excellent support to be in job wars, trades/thief-runs (assuming you know how to communicate)

although I would agree if everyone I pvp'd was a botter with full sos set (which I mostly end up pvping) bowers suck, fortunately not everyone is.

Coelus · Post by **Coelus** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:22 am

Hi,

Although I'm not a high lvl archer [yet].. I had the same initial thoughts as you.. At first I thought maybe my damage was low etc. I even wanted to restart after seeing how nukers kill everything within a few hits..

But then.. after reading some guides [from other forums] I found out that an Archer can do a whooping 9k critical damage.. That's surely something to be looking forward to xD

Besides, it would be a waste if you were to restart at your lvl..

Lemon · Post by **Lemon** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:45 am

i am int bower and i rox
autumn wind series, anti devil bow series and arrow combo series

it's a nice change from my old character which was pretty much a cookie cutter fire glaive (and THE best resser in my union) :roll:

Zypher · Post by **Zypher** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:52 am

Lemon wrote:i am int bower and i rox
autumn wind series, anti devil bow series and arrow combo series

it's a nice change from my old character which was pretty much a cookie cutter fire glaive (and THE best resser in my union)

who is now in all green garms
>>

HuyFong · Post by **HuyFong** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:37 am

Myself Archer :arrow:

Glavier
My fiance Archer :arrow:

Sword/Shield

Archer is for people who loves to own in group combat. But for pvp I sugesst you go blader or glavier

sLyFoX · Post by **sLyFoX** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:27 am

im int archer like lemon, 4X, i do some pretty good damage i believe, considering every spell i use hits over 1k damage on mobs my lvl (usually over 1.5k, usually 2-3k for strongbow) and i ALWAYS get the drops on a giant if i start it at the beginning. i can sometimes start on a giant 1-2minutes behind a glavier/blader and still get the kill.

imo int>str for archer, sure i die quick in 1v1 against a pure str but i can slap a pure int nuker and a str archer for sure and i prefer team pvp (guild hunting etc) too 1v1 anyway.

Rajah · Post by **Rajah** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:58 am

sLyFoX wrote:im int archer like lemon, 4X, i do some pretty good damage i believe, considering every spell i use hits over 1k damage on mobs my lvl (usually over 1.5k, usually 2-3k for strongbow) and i ALWAYS get the drops on a giant if i start it at the beginning. i can sometimes start on a giant 1-2minutes behind a glavier/blader and still get the kill.

imo int>str for archer, sure i die quick in 1v1 against a pure str but i can slap a pure int nuker and a str archer for sure and i prefer team pvp (guild hunting etc) too 1v1 anyway.

im pure str bow and on lvl42 i cud 1 shot lvl41 mob with 9gap [strong + crit] >.>

No u cant start 1-2mins after and get the kill :roll:

And i dun think u can beat pure str archer... :wink:

And the most important thing is> why go int bow when u have same hp as every int BUT nukes>all ur skills when it comes to dmg, spear nukes-biggest dmg, sword nuker- bigger dmg than u +block...

Or u think u deal bigger dmg than nukers? :roll:

when ur pure int- nukes>all skills, and u can choose between spear[bigger dmg, stun, kb], sword[block,ko,stab], or bow[dun see any good thing for pure int]

IMHO

Sekhmet · Post by **Sekhmet** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:17 pm

Drachten wrote:So is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Any other high level brother archers out there with a payoff for all this pain?

The light is called devil arrow,until you get it you will be weak.

With devil arrow you can 1 hit INT spear even in armor and do 9k+ crit on str,of course if they dont have full sos set and you are using a normal bow.

Megalomaniac · Post by **Megalomaniac** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:53 pm

I was an archer till lvl26 i think and gave up on it -__-.
Buying arrows and shit is annoying.
Start collecting hearts and delvl your bow.

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:30 pm

XxDeceptoRxX wrote:"Crits are your only saving grace" i once did 20k on an earth ghost soldier giant, it is decent damage for a bower don't you think so?
i could say "stun is your only saving grace" for glaivers or "high damage is your only saving grace" for nukers or "shield/kd is your only saving grace" for bladers...

The other classes have more than ONE attribute about them. Archers only have crits.

Glaviers have thier health, and high damage w/crits
Bladers have their blocking and kd
Nukers have their nukes and weapon skills w/thier powerful imbue

Archers could potentially be a good class, but jm didn't make enough diff skills so the class could be "unique" in some way. As of right now, archers suck.

Fadex · Post by **Fadex** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:52 pm

i used to be archer too, but switched to glavie just because well.. archers isnt ownage in PvM as they used to be and in PvP they do suck more thsn nukers, and even nukers are better in PvM and mostly in PvP, so....

ynnep16 · Post by **ynnep16** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:21 pm

Hi sekmet...well bowers arent weak until u get the 69 move

and if you are a bower and just stand still while getting beat by a glavie u deserve to die because of your stupidity k thx ^^

Megalomaniac · Post by **Megalomaniac** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:30 pm

ynnep16 wrote:Hi sekmet...well bowers arent weak until u get the 69 move and if you are a bower and just stand still while getting beat by a glavie u deserve to die because of your stupidity k thx ^^

Phantom walk ftw..? o.o

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:03 pm

myself archer => blader
I turned 70 and bow was still depressing. Good thing are 100% skill reallocations lol.

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:46 am

Sekhmet wrote:
Drachten wrote:So is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Any other high level brother archers out there with a payoff for all this pain?

The light is called devil arrow,until you get it you will be weak.

With devil arrow you can 1 hit INT spear even in armor and do 9k+ crit on str,of course if they dont have full sos set and you are using a normal bow.

1-hit an int spear with a crit probably. Not without a crit surely, if the spear has good str bonuses and the armor has good stamina bonuses.

JianMin · Post by **JianMin** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:22 am

To put it simply:

Glaivers get their best skill at around lv 63, archers get their best skill at 69. The skill I am talking about is devil arrow. For christ's sake, my guildy can 1 hit crit my other lv 64 guildy who is a str blader with devil arrow. Sure, he's got a +7 bow, but it's only +7 and that's about the only thing good it has going for it, all the other stats are mediocre.

You have to be very patient with the archer build, but I don't know what you are talking about being gimped and being ks'ed. Whoever said archers are the KS kings of the SRO world, yah, I would tend to agree. KS those people back with your antidevil and quad shot. If they complain, tell them to stfu haha. They will leave you alone pretty soon, unless they do way more damaga than you.

Don't get discouraged, unless you really don't like your build. But my lv 70 guildy is a strong SOB and can tank 3 glaivers at once. Him and I took on 5 other glaivers the other night and we are both archers. So don't tell me that archers are weak. Glaivers and Bladers seem like a viable option because they have disable moves. Yah, I agree and I complain too about the fact that we don't have disable move. But you can use other skills to beat them. Use ghostwalk, frost nova or anything else that can give you a small edge.

Play the game how you want to play it, but it's going to be expensive to switch now. If you have money, it's going to cost you 3 bux for every 5 lvls to delvl. If you are say lv 50, you'll need 10 SRPs, that's 30 bux. Worth your money? Even though you get back all your SP, I don't know about it, I havent switched. If you deicde to curst heart your way out of being an archer, well you are going to take a BIG hit on sp. Up to you man, play for fun or don't play at all haha.

Sekhmet · Post by **Sekhmet** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:31 pm

ynnep16 wrote:Hi sekmet...well bowers arent weak until u get the 69 move and if you are a bower and just stand still while getting beat by a glavie u deserve to die because of your stupidity k thx ^^

Archers might be usefull in group fights but devil arrow is by far the skill with highest damage, it does about as much as anti devil with crit.

Not even mentioning 1vs 1 PvP becouse of course you can avoid dieng if you run away but could never kill anyone,in group versus group fights the damage without devil arrow is simply to low to prefer an archer over a nuker.

Also most of the post was about pvm and if you havent noticed that without devil arrow most classes outdamages archers until level 69 im not the one being stupid.

Sekhmet · Post by **Sekhmet** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:38 pm

IguanaRampage wrote:1-hit an int spear with a crit probably. Not without a crit surely, if the spear has good str bonuses and the armor has good stamina bonuses.

Not even if they have full sos and you are using a +3 bow,whats your point?

With samish equipment you can do up to 5k damages to an INT spear, of course if his items are better with lots of blue the balance will change but this has nothing to do with bow, any class become stronger with good items.

By the way i have a normal +5 bow and i do over 9k crit on str chars so you can remove the "probably"

PlaneWhore · Post by **PlaneWhore** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:04 pm

sLyFoX wrote:i can sometimes start on a giant 1-2minutes behind a glavier/blader and still get the kill.

I can kill a nachal giant in about 30-60 seconds.

BranFlake · Post by **BranFlake** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:48 pm

Any high lvl hybrid archers here? I was wondering if archers could do lots more damage with being hybrid, because the bow has average psy and mag attack, and doesnt really exel in either.

Thanks for any replies

asianair09 · Post by **asianair09** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:59 pm

JianMin, i have a few questions for you, if you don't mind answering them.

1st: What type of hybrid are you(str or int) and what is your balance?
2nd: What is your damage compared to a pure str archer?
3rd: How do you fair against other builds?

For the most part, I am looking for answers to the first two questions, the third isn't as important to me. Thank you in advance.

asianair09 · Post by **asianair09** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:01 pm

sry about the double-post, my internet lagged for a second and caused me to send the reply twice

JianMin · Post by **JianMin** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:02 pm

I believe 1:1 archers is the proper build for them. For the reason that you said, bows have avg P and M atk. I've seen a 1:1 archer at lv 5X, probably close to 60, and he did abnormaly high damage to me. Although he did after my antidevil crit him for like 7k haha. But that's to be expected since I'm a 6X. I'd like to see that char move up to 8th deg weapon and fight a pure str glaiver. My guildy is on the project of making a 1:1 archer. He's pretty much fully farmed with 133337 sp (i'm not kidding about the number either). He's in his 3X now, so give it another month or so.

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:35 am

Sekhmet wrote:
IguanaRampage wrote:1-hit an int spear with a crit probably. Not without a crit surely, if the spear has good str bonuses and the armor has good stamina bonuses.

Not even if they have full sos and you are using a +3 bow,whats your point?

With samish equipment you can do up to 5k damages to an INT spear, of course if his items are better with lots of blue the balance will change but this has nothing to do with bow, any class become stronger with good items.

By the way i have a normal +5 bow and i do over 9k crit on str chars so you can remove the "probably"

Wow maybe my spear nuker wouldnt have turned out so well after all

But I liked the fact that I could kill stuff fast. Otherwise i woulda been at 2x when i quit lol. But yeah, equips really do make a difference, cuz with all my equips at +3 or +4 and some SOS I could very easily beat an archer a lvl above me every time, (though he had good equips too, and I was actually using sword and shield at that time

)

Pake1 · Post by **Pake1** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:03 am

Archers = group fights, INT killers, very fun class to play with.

I played both blader and glaiver classes. I still dig the archer.

I mean I like the glaivers knockback and stun, the bladers block and KD. The archers crit and "range" is pretty fun to play with. I honestly think they should either speed up the arrow comboes a bit faster, or to add another 5-10 crit onto anti-devil. Or maybe even "Miss" buff on archers.

Cmon now 50% KD chance is to f'n high, though is offsetted by low damage of sword or shield, but still. Glaivers with stun, knock-back, insane hp amounts, and highest damage iutput next to a nuker, this game should be called Glaiver online.

I may re-allocate my skills onto blader or glaiver when I hit 70 (or 80). Maybe spending that money on Reallocation pots.

Joymax, upgrades on archer skills please? IT would give some great balance to the game adding 5-10more crit increase on anti-dev steel, total of 40 crit increase + 10 crit bow = 50% chance of crit.

We can all dream right.

But i'm lvling to 70 with my archer. I want that sexy Devil arrow.

hellsharpt · Post by **hellsharpt** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:26 pm

You havent't really told us if your skills are all up to date or not, that does make a difference. In the 50's, especially on shades and on the ice I had a really easy time with my pure str bow. The only thing that could ks me was a nuker, even then usually I had 95% of its health down by the time they touched it.

The only other thing that I can think of is that you are on too high level mobs. White and green is optimal.

Mine's on vacation due to the caves being a waste of my time. If you're tired of it start a new char for a while.

Post by **Ryoko** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:29 pm

PlaneWhore wrote:
sLyFoX wrote:i can sometimes start on a giant 1-2minutes behind a glavier/blader and still get the kill.

I can kill a nachal giant in about 30-60 seconds.

I kill giant nachal and have zerk left over.

But, can only kill half of a giant yacha. Strange indeed. Maybe its cuz get stun 3-4 times while zerked.

But anyway, yeah, 70 str archer.... my skills are 65 atm. They were 61.

Chaby · Post by **Chaby** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:30 pm

Hotty on Babel, has 64+8 SOS bow. I get crited for 9k. I'm str/glavie.

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