Teen killer Smiles at victims' families in court

[penfold1992]

i think killing the guy is far too easy... people should get emotional, he took away someones life and ruined a family's life as well. Vegeta, if someone killed your father/mother/brother and he was sentenced to 5 years in prison (2.5 if he is good in prison) im pretty sure you wouldnt be saying
"poor boy, he is going to find it hard when he gets back into the free world, its a shame he isnt mentally strong"

physical harming can be seen as sick because there are cases of people who like to abuse others and find it somewhat sexual, instead just mentally torture the kid. if he wants to know what its like to kill someone, make him feel dead. sensory deprivation in a highly salted water tank (so he feels weightless) and obviously restricting his head so he cant drown himself, and let him feel what its like to be dead for 5 years.

i dont want an apology or forgiveness, i just want him to feel how others feel about his actions.

putting a murder in jail is like telling on a bully to a teacher at school. just the adult version

[Aventus]

i think killing the guy is far too easy... people should get emotional, he took away someones life and ruined a family's life as well. Vegeta, if someone killed your father/mother/brother and he was sentenced to 5 years in prison (2.5 if he is good in prison) im pretty sure you wouldnt be saying
"poor boy, he is going to find it hard when he gets back into the free world, its a shame he isnt mentally strong"

physical harming can be seen as sick because there are cases of people who like to abuse others and find it somewhat sexual, instead just mentally torture the kid. if he wants to know what its like to kill someone, make him feel dead. sensory deprivation in a highly salted water tank (so he feels weightless) and obviously restricting his head so he cant drown himself, and let him feel what its like to be dead for 5 years.

i dont want an apology or forgiveness, i just want him to feel how others feel about his actions.

putting a murder in jail is like telling on a bully to a teacher at school. just the adult version

^ so it's like being an adult, you guys need to think logically not emotionally. He will be in prison for life, if it wasn't already obvious he gets off on being in the limelight. Put him in jail and let him be forgotten. That's what the family wanted.

[Fiction]

i think killing the guy is far too easy... people should get emotional, he took away someones life and ruined a family's life as well. Vegeta, if someone killed your father/mother/brother and he was sentenced to 5 years in prison (2.5 if he is good in prison) im pretty sure you wouldnt be saying
"poor boy, he is going to find it hard when he gets back into the free world, its a shame he isnt mentally strong"

physical harming can be seen as sick because there are cases of people who like to abuse others and find it somewhat sexual, instead just mentally torture the kid. if he wants to know what its like to kill someone, make him feel dead. sensory deprivation in a highly salted water tank (so he feels weightless) and obviously restricting his head so he cant drown himself, and let him feel what its like to be dead for 5 years.

i dont want an apology or forgiveness, i just want him to feel how others feel about his actions.

putting a murder in jail is like telling on a bully to a teacher at school. just the adult version

You're weird... And what's with you and hypothetical scenarios?.. "So a guy kills 30 people, only gets 2 years in prison, wouldn't you be mad?" Then some how you insert your opinionated solution or hypothesis into a real life situation that has very little in common with your hypothetical story. This is why emotionally thinking is (almost) always a dumb thing...

Also... What good would torturing him do? It would serve no propose, would be worse than us torturing our enemies for information... It would cost us more time and money, and make our culture even more disturbed. It would only be your sick little way of trying to fill a void that this person created... and it is sick.

[heroo]

Fiction, I don't think you would care about the reason to torture him if it were your loved ones who got killed.

[BuDo]

The world isn't a perfect place...society isn't (or should) be how you want it to be personally...hard times/stress falls on anyone/everyone...part of what makes us human is our ability to adapt and find ways to cope/deal with issues....

Killing to get your point across or to retaliate is one of many possible solutions....Society wont change because you killed 3 people or 3000....If he felt he was abused and mistreated by society then he only made it worse for himself....He failed to recognize this.....and for that I can't really empathize with his situation prior to this event....

Honestly if he feels he couldn't stand the people around him or felt he couldn't cope because nobody cared then it would be better to kill himself...

Society won't change when people are killed, and that's okay? You see the problem then get angry when this happens, does that make sense you know the solution but aren't willing to implement it.

It would have been better to kill himself, reread what you said and tell me that it was intelligent..

Everybody got problems...that wont change...its a reality of life....Helping him and not helping him are both part of life...... When was the last time you got outa your chair to help a troubled stranger?... I am just saying its not right that you should allow your problems to take the lives of others...Terrorist blowing up a stadium full of people could use that justification.....Everyone has the right to live.....until they forfeit that right..

[Fiction]

Fiction, I don't think you would care about the reason to torture him if it were your loved ones who got killed.

You don't torture a dog because it attacked your kid. You (in my case) put it down. The same goes for murders, there is no healthy point in torturing him. You will never feel like it's enough, and it prevents you from moving on. Just kill him and move on... and you act like you know me... A women killed my father while he slept.. I never for a minute thought she needed to be tortured. I've had other friends and family killed or murdered and still it didn't cross my mind that that person should be tortured.. Maybe killed, but not kept alive for my own sick pleasure.

[penfold1992]

You're weird... And what's with you and hypothetical scenarios?.. "So a guy kills 30 people, only gets 2 years in prison, wouldn't you be mad?" Then some how you insert your opinionated solution or hypothesis into a real life situation that has very little in common with your hypothetical story. This is why emotionally thinking is (almost) always a dumb thing...

Also... What good would torturing him do? It would serve no propose, would be worse than us torturing our enemies for information... It would cost us more time and money, and make our culture even more disturbed. It would only be your sick little way of trying to fill a void that this person created... and it is sick.

there have been several known cases of murders getting around 5 years in jail only to get let out early for good behaviour... or because "they found god".
it costs more time and money to keep people in jail here then you would expect. our inmates are allowed tv, games consoles, a bed bigger then mine -.- (usually 1 1/2 size beds in the prison near me) as well as good food and catering, there was even a top news story about a prison getting supplied horse meat! (shock horror!)
capital punishment is not allowed in the uk so i say why not sensory deprivation as a means of making the criminal mentally unstable and insane, he has made a larger amount of people feel that way then just himself and they usually dont care about it either.

enemies (assuming you are speaking of the enemy at war) usually havent done anything wrong themselves, they are instructed to do a job and shouldnt be held responsible for doing that job. If the boss tells you to torture them for information, as a servant of your country you should obey your leader. The boss is the one to blame not the troops (usually)



oh... and dogs dont have the same mental capability as humans, a dog doesnt understand what he did wrong, a person above the age of 16 damn well know what they did.

[Fiction]

You're weird... And what's with you and hypothetical scenarios?.. "So a guy kills 30 people, only gets 2 years in prison, wouldn't you be mad?" Then some how you insert your opinionated solution or hypothesis into a real life situation that has very little in common with your hypothetical story. This is why emotionally thinking is (almost) always a dumb thing...

Also... What good would torturing him do? It would serve no propose, would be worse than us torturing our enemies for information... It would cost us more time and money, and make our culture even more disturbed. It would only be your sick little way of trying to fill a void that this person created... and it is sick.

there have been several known cases of murders getting around 5 years in jail only to get let out early for good behaviour... or because "they found god".
it costs more time and money to keep people in jail here then you would expect. our inmates are allowed tv, games consoles, a bed bigger then mine -.- (usually 1 1/2 size beds in the prison near me) as well as good food and catering, there was even a top news story about a prison getting supplied horse meat! (shock horror!)
capital punishment is not allowed in the uk so i say why not sensory deprivation as a means of making the criminal mentally unstable and insane, he has made a larger amount of people feel that way then just himself and they usually dont care about it either.

enemies (assuming you are speaking of the enemy at war) usually havent done anything wrong themselves, they are instructed to do a job and shouldnt be held responsible for doing that job. If the boss tells you to torture them for information, as a servant of your country you should obey your leader. The boss is the one to blame not the troops (usually)



oh... and dogs dont have the same mental capability as humans, a dog doesnt understand what he did wrong, a person above the age of 16 damn well know what they did.

Source?

I know the average cost per prisoner is outrageously high here in the states as well, but having special little torture chambers would only raise the cost. Death row inmates are usually the most costly already... And the dog analogy wasn't talking about the dog's capacity to know the difference between right and wrong, but to say, "when something has crossed the point of no return, it's our responsibility to deal with it in a way that doesn't set us all back." Torturing something just makes you more disturbed.

[MrTwilliger]

Killing to get your point across or to retaliate is one of many possible solutions....Society wont change because you killed 3 people or 3000....

[heroo]

Fiction, I don't think you would care about the reason to torture him if it were your loved ones who got killed.

You don't torture a dog because it attacked your kid. You (in my case) put it down. The same goes for murders, there is no healthy point in torturing him. You will never feel like it's enough, and it prevents you from moving on. Just kill him and move on... and you act like you know me... A women killed my father while he slept.. I never for a minute thought she needed to be tortured. I've had other friends and family killed or murdered and still it didn't cross my mind that that person should be tortured.. Maybe killed, but not kept alive for my own sick pleasure.

A dog doesn't have brains to think with. He acs on his instinct. You can't compare a dog to this sick individual who killed those people on purpose, is aware of it and still enjoys it/doesn't regret it. I would not give a single **** if he gets tortured to death, I would rather support it then oppose it. Also if a woman would kill my father while he is sleeping, I would like to torture the worst kind of torutures before killing her. I don't think I would do it though, because I would kill her before I would be able to torture her. But I think we differ alot on this matter. Messing with my family is the one thing you should absolutely not do to me, it brings out the worst side of me. So as hard as I try to understand on your feelings towards that woman that killed your father, I really can not understand. And I wouldn't torture someone for my pleasure, that would be sadistic. I just want them to suffer as much as possible to try and let them feel the pain they have caused to other people, if that would even be possible.

[Aventus]

When was the last time I helped someone, haha. If i see a kid getting shit I stand by his side I'm not afraid to be seen helping out the little weak kid or the weird kid. I let people know they could confide in me and I will help them. In fact last night I stayed 2 hours past my shift without pay to help the dishwasher who I know has depression an anxiety issues. He was having an anxiety attack which means he gets very depressed and I'm not going to stand by laugh and let it happen.



@penfold in America you have very little chance of getting out of prison without serving atleast 10 years for murder. Let alone 3 murders you admitted to gladly. This kid is already insane sensory deprivation just means he gets the attention he wants. Let people rot and be forgotten.

[Aventus]

@twill lol got a point.

So you want to sadistically torture the man that has mentally tortured you. How does that make you any better than him. You have stooped to the level of the monster that caused your pain. Guess some people don't know how to be a bigger man.

[Fiction]

Fiction, I don't think you would care about the reason to torture him if it were your loved ones who got killed.

You don't torture a dog because it attacked your kid. You (in my case) put it down. The same goes for murders, there is no healthy point in torturing him. You will never feel like it's enough, and it prevents you from moving on. Just kill him and move on... and you act like you know me... A women killed my father while he slept.. I never for a minute thought she needed to be tortured. I've had other friends and family killed or murdered and still it didn't cross my mind that that person should be tortured.. Maybe killed, but not kept alive for my own sick pleasure.

A dog doesn't have brains to think with. He acs on his instinct. You can't compare a dog to this sick individual who killed those people on purpose, is aware of it and still enjoys it/doesn't regret it. I would not give a single **** if he gets tortured to death, I would rather support it then oppose it. Also if a woman would kill my father while he is sleeping, I would like to torture the worst kind of torutures before killing her. I don't think I would do it though, because I would kill her before I would be able to torture her. But I think we differ alot on this matter. Messing with my family is the one thing you should absolutely not do to me, it brings out the worst side of me. So as hard as I try to understand on your feelings towards that woman that killed your father, I really can not understand. And I wouldn't torture someone for my pleasure, that would be sadistic. I just want them to suffer as much as possible to try and let them feel the pain they have caused to other people, if that would even be possible.

I think this is what sums it up. There is no point in torturing someone to get them to understand how it feels. A sociopath doesn't feel remorse for anyone other than themselves. Also, they're never going to be back in society again, so what would be the point? I don't sympathize with murders or feel like they deserve a second chance, but at the same time, I understand nothing is gained by such useless punishment. And it is as simple as a dog(even though dogs do think and act off more than instinct). The end result is going to be death either way, there is no lesson to teach these people, unless you're doing it as a public display to make others fear the consequences.

Anyways... Yes you would be doing it for your own selfishness, whether you feel comfortable admitting it or not. There is nothing humbling about it, it's just a disturbing way to deal with the pain of your loss.

[heroo]

I wouldn't mind admitting it, because I don't feel like doing something wrong. But I really wouldn't do it for the pleasure even though it is for my own satisfaction. Maybe it's disturbing, but if people do bad things to me and make me do such things, I really don't care about other people's opinion. But this is all hypothetical, because I don't believe I would ever be in such a situation. I just hope none of my loved ones will ever be killed.

[Aventus]

But the thing is your not doing it, your forcing some prison guard to torture them. He has to live with that on his conscious while you sit back and laugh.

I believe in doing whatever you please to a person who rapes or murders a family member but have the blood on your hands don't make someone else do your dirty work for you.

[heroo]

I would do it myself. I wouldn't let anyone else do it.

[Fiction]

Okay lets stop being silly! I'm still waiting while penfold finds that source. He said there were several cases, so I'm sure he's just deciding which one to link up, or he's putting them all in numerical order.

[BuDo]

When was the last time I helped someone, haha. If i see a kid getting shit I stand by his side I'm not afraid to be seen helping out the little weak kid or the weird kid. I let people know they could confide in me and I will help them. In fact last night I stayed 2 hours past my shift without pay to help the dishwasher who I know has depression an anxiety issues. He was having an anxiety attack which means he gets very depressed and I'm not going to stand by laugh and let it happen.

Well you can't expect everyone to be like you and even you don't help others at every single opportunity that was presented...and that's a reality everyone has to deal with. Plus reaching out to help a kid like the one the video would probably not get you anywhere....as he may have a genuine psychological disorder..

I am not saying people shouldn't try to understand and help each other...but don't act like it's the best way to prevent these horrible killings because humans are socially complicated beings..

[BuDo]

@twill lol got a point.

So you want to sadistically torture the man that has mentally tortured you. How does that make you any better than him. You have stooped to the level of the monster that caused your pain. Guess some people don't know how to be a bigger man.

Same was said for this kid but you didn't agree...He too stooped lower by killing 3 people...

[BuDo]

As for this torture business....Wanting to torture him or simply kill him is relative to how you emotionally process the loss you've felt... I won't condemn either acts as both can draw pleasure (or not draw pleasure) within the person carrying them out....So I won't say one is sadistic and the other isn't...

[Bartic]

Triple post FTW.

[*BlackFox]

Torturing "murderer's" prisoners... no matter what kind of people they are, brings us down to their level.

[penfold1992]

@penfold in America you have very little chance of getting out of prison without serving atleast 10 years for murder. Let alone 3 murders you admitted to gladly. This kid is already insane sensory deprivation just means he gets the attention he wants. Let people rot and be forgotten.

http://fullfact.org/factchecks/murder_h ... role-28691
5 years in the last 12 years murders had less then 10 year sentences.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

One offender is known to have walked free after serving less than 15 months. A decade ago, the shortest 'life sentence' stood at seven years.

i guessed at 2 years but thats hard to find. 6 or 7 years is easier to look for, just google it. 6 and 7 years is still too short for killing someone.

[Aventus]

We're talkin 'bout 'murica here sir.

Also did you even read the first link you posted.

[penfold1992]

i didnt say i was talking about america, no one told me I was talking about america...

and yea i read the article... what of it?

[penfold1992]

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philly D talking about a murderer in the UK that only got 3 1/2 years.

[Blindfire]

Convicted of manslaughter, therefore not technically a murderer.

[Aventus]

I'm speaking about the us not the uk so anything about the uk is being ignored.

[penfold1992]

I'm speaking about the us not the uk so anything about the uk is being ignored.

this is the reason people hate americans, dont conform to the stereotype. no one said we were talking about specifically america so quit your bitching, bitch.

Convicted of manslaughter, therefore not technically a murderer.

he admitted to throwing gas over a guy and then setting him on fire... cool "prank". wtf did he expect the outcome to be! 2nd degree murder and you know it.

[Fiction]

haha I asked for some sources with the intentions of not reading them! And I haven't! I love myself =)