When lions get fed up... [NSFW]

[*BlackFox]

Stay in the cage! @Aventus I would choose the Freedom

Whats wrong with caring for wild animals in the wild...Medicating them in their natural habitat an and letting them be after? There are so many conservationist efforts that works well where the animals are protected in their natural habitat.

I agree with you completely!

[BuDo]

Yet again it comes down to life in a cage or death. I choose cage every time.

You're thinking of a definite death vs confinement...but that's not what being discussed here.... Animals in cages don't have hunters with rifles directly there waiting for their release.....These animals won't die the very second they are let out of captivity....

Like I have been saying all along you and me are flirting with being killed or injured everyday...but we are enjoying the freedom despite it....I can't see you saying that you want to be in some sort of solitary confinement for life just to ensure zero possibility of being killed/hurt...

[[SD]Master_Wong]

did you know there are some breeds of animal only found in captivity, without a zoo they would be extinct, they breed the animals to help repopulate andss keep a living record of animals for future generations, some zoos are bad yes but a lot are good for what they do for the animals that video is of a circus which is different that is exploitation

Finally, a voice of reason. What's better an entire species of animal getting wiped off the face of the earth never to be seen again or to have a few of them living in captivity being cared and pampered for everyday for the rest of their lives? Not to mention that they will be breeding and slowly increasing the numbers of the population.

Would you like someone to place you in a facility so they can care for you ...under the idea that they need to protect you? because you could be hurt or killed (something even us humans live with everyday)....Give you everything you need with the only exception being you can never leave the enclosure they prepared for you for the rest of your natural life???...would you be OK with that???


The fact is the majority of animals in Zoos (I'd wager 80%+) are not in danger of being extinct. If a Zoo was a facility dedicated to protecting animals from being extinct it wouldn't be such a fun place to go because it would lack diversity....Instead it's a place filled with corporate sponsorship shown in the form of advertisements placed at each animal exhibit...Incentives to keep the animals locked up for life...


My apologies for not spoiler-ing and NSFW-ing the video...

its called a care home when you get old

[Aventus]

You saw what happened when they got in the cage with them and you want to care for them in the wild hahaha. Good luck.

[BuDo]

You saw what happened when they got in the cage with them and you want to care for them in the wild hahaha. Good luck.

You never heard of tranquilizer guns? and other sedatives?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

just want to add they do care for animals in the wild too, there are also countless animals been re-released back into the wild from zoo's but some animals are so rare that you can risk a hunter getting to them, not all animals in the zoo are endagered but i know the zoo back from where i used to live took on animals that had been captured illagally as infants who didnt know how to live in the wild, some who are too injured to ever be able to return, sure they are in cages but we give them the best life we can there is a safari park near me too those animals have lots of space. as for the corperate side of things, good luck looking after these animals without money

[Aventus]

Have fun with your tranq gun.

[BuDo]

Have fun with your tranq gun.

How did you think they capture them in the first place to be placed in a zoo? use your head....

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Have fun with your tranq gun.

How did you think they capture them in the first place to be placed in a zoo? use your head....

they rescue them from hunters, save them from captivity, they are born into the zoo's they are decendents of animals caught in the wild. very few are now taken from the wild for the sole purpose of going into the zoo, budu please go do some research

[Love]

animals / humans

[BuDo]

just want to add they do care for animals in the wild too, there are also countless animals been re-released back into the wild from zoo's but some animals are so rare that you can risk a hunter getting to them, not all animals in the zoo are endagered but i know the zoo back from where i used to live took on animals that had been captured illagally as infants who didnt know how to live in the wild, some who are too injured to ever be able to return, sure they are in cages but we give them the best life we can there is a safari park near me too those animals have lots of space. as for the corperate side of things, good luck looking after these animals without money

You're talking about very few Zoos....Lions (and lots of other wild animals) are in zoos all over the world where the animal is hundreds of miles away from their natural habitat...What are the chances of them being flown back to their natural home? If those animals where caught as infants illegally or hurt in the wild and needed rehabilitation there was no need to fly them half way around the world to be cared for if the intention was to return them back to the wild (which it isn't)...

[Aventus]

Maybe 20 years ago, most zoo's (in the US atleast) trade around animals because they breed them there or they get them from animal sanctuaries (michigan my home state has a very large croc/alligator sanctuary and they help heal the animals then dole them out to zoos for them to have a new home). Zoo's very rarely go into the bush to find animals, they only do that with very hard to find animals or animals that don't breed well in captivity.

[*BlackFox]

[BuDo]

Have fun with your tranq gun.

How did you think they capture them in the first place to be placed in a zoo? use your head....

they rescue them from hunters, save them from captivity, they are born into the zoo's they are decendents of animals caught in the wild. very few are now taken from the wild for the sole purpose of going into the zoo, budu please go do some research

Rescue from hunters by what means? stand between the hunters and lions and ask the lions to come with me for your safety? When hunters shoot a lion they make sure they kill it and just wound it and let it be because it's too much of a prize to walk away from....The experience for them is too orgasmic.... And not all lions are born within captivity as how you seem to believe it... And to get back on track with the discussion it still doesn't make it right...

[Aventus]

Lions breed incredibly well in captivity -_-

[BuDo]

Maybe 20 years ago, most zoo's (in the US atleast) trade around animals because they breed them there or they get them from animal sanctuaries (michigan my home state has a very large croc/alligator sanctuary and they help heal the animals then dole them out to zoos for them to have a new home). Zoo's very rarely go into the bush to find animals, they only do that with very hard to find animals or animals that don't breed well in captivity.

So much for that argument about protecting the species from extinction...more like dumbing down the species by messing with it's natural/psychological traits to live wild and free... if all the ones in the wild went extinct I guess we'd just re-introduce some messed up lions back in the wild that don't really know how to properly chase and catch it's food...

My point is a Zoo in the middle of canada for example doesn't need to protect lions and care for them when a conservationist entity close the animal's natural habitat can do that...

[Aventus]

Do you know how much that would cost?

[BuDo]

Do you know how much that would cost?

A whole lot cheaper than building and managing a zoo in every major city in the world....

[Aventus]

A day pass to the detroit zoo is about $50 I think that more than pays for it in the long run.

[*BlackFox]

Do you know how much that would cost?

We spend about $718 billion++++ on defense.
So, why not spend a little bit of money.. for the Wild Animals eh?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Budu i said go do some research. Hunting does not mean killing, people trade animals alive as well as dead. I'm not claiming all zoo's are the same im sure in countries that don't have strict rules they might do wrong, but in places like Europe, Canada, America ETC rules are tight. Now as for flying injured animals abroad ever thought of the idea of specialists? as a human you would fly to go see a specialist right? Now 90% of the animals would not survive in the wild compared from living in a zoo, in most cases they become too used to been near humans one of the reasons its dangerous to release a lot of these animals, imagine if they were not scared of humans and wonder into a village? they are dangerous!! (i am on about lions and such). Though some can be re-released i don't know all the details so wont talk too much on this subject.

before we go on please do research look up

Zoo's serve a purpose, like prisons, care homes, mental homes. only difference is we enjoy seeing animals so they can raise money from that. But keep in mind i am by no means claiming keeping animals needlessly in captivity is right, but we do in some cases do it for humans if the need arises so you can hardly argue superiority based on this.

[BuDo]

Budu i said go do some research. Hunting does not mean killing, people trade animals alive as well as dead.

So you are saying zoos take from the wild...just via proxy..OK so we agree

I'm not claiming all zoo's are the same im sure in countries that don't have strict rules they might do wrong, but in places like Europe, Canada, America ETC rules are tight.

This doesn't take away the fact the poor animals are incarcerated against their will so not sure why this was mentioned...

Now as for flying injured animals abroad ever thought of the idea of specialists? as a human you would fly to go see a specialist right?

Any sick animal that is worth flying to see a specialist is equally deserving of the specialist flying to see it...And I don't mind the animal flying to see some specialist as long as its flown back home and released...just like you and me would expect..

Now 90% of the animals would not survive in the wild compared from living in a zoo, in most cases they become too used to been near humans one of the reasons its dangerous to release a lot of these animals, imagine if they were not scared of humans and wonder into a village? they are dangerous!!

So the answer for animals being too familiar with people is to get them even more familiar with people within a zoo environment? Wow...I wonder what the guy in the video being mauled thinks about this.... And also 90% of these animals were doing just fine before we gained the notion of locking them up...

(i am on about lions and such). Though some can be re-released i don't know all the details so wont talk too much on this subject.

before we go on please do research look up

Zoo's serve a purpose, like prisons, care homes, mental homes.

I had to facepalm this one... Likening a zoo's purpopse to a prison as if all the animals in a zoo committed some sort of crime....Likening a zoo to a care/mental home like animals asked for our intervention...

only difference is we enjoy seeing animals so they can raise money from that.

What we enjoy is exerting/imposing control...It feels good to see criminals behind bars and it feels good to see mental people not roaming our streets and old people who can't help themselves wondering about as well....and we do make money from all of it same as the animals in zoos...profit is the bottom line at the end of the day...and that's the real purpose..

But keep in mind i am by no means claiming keeping animals needlessly in captivity is right, but we do in some cases do it for humans if the need arises so you can hardly argue superiority based on this.

So since we do it to ourselves its OK for animals? Wow... Neither the people nor the animals that are being confined wants it so I don't know how you're coming up with your line of thought

[Aventus]

Pointless argument is pointless.

[0l3n]

Out of curiosity, do you eat meat?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Budu i said go do some research. Hunting does not mean killing, people trade animals alive as well as dead.

So you are saying zoos take from the wild...just via proxy..OK so we agree
We already agree on a number of points just not all, but this isn't zoo's taking or even sending hunters to capture animals in many cases they live in poor conditions for years before been saved and brought back into a relatively happy state some will be traumatized by the ordeal, zoos if possible will re-release animals but of course they need to be sure the animal can survive

I'm not claiming all zoo's are the same im sure in countries that don't have strict rules they might do wrong, but in places like Europe, Canada, America ETC rules are tight.

This doesn't take away the fact the poor animals are incarcerated against their will so not sure why this was mentioned..
I'm sorry the whole world isn't nice at least in most of the bigger countries they understand this issue and will do their best to stop animals been captured

Now as for flying injured animals abroad ever thought of the idea of specialists? as a human you would fly to go see a specialist right?

Any sick animal that is worth flying to see a specialist is equally deserving of the specialist flying to see it...And I don't mind the animal flying to see some specialist as long as its flown back home and released...just like you and me would expect..
Many are, unless they have i don't know lost a leg or eye or something that would mean they can no longer survive in the wild, many specialists will likely fly to the animal too but in the off chance they cant a zoo offers a means of monitoring the animal

Now 90% of the animals would not survive in the wild compared from living in a zoo, in most cases they become too used to been near humans one of the reasons its dangerous to release a lot of these animals, imagine if they were not scared of humans and wonder into a village? they are dangerous!!

So the answer for animals being too familiar with people is to get them even more familiar with people within a zoo environment? Wow...I wonder what the guy in the video being mauled thinks about this.... And also 90% of these animals were doing just fine before we gained the notion of locking them up...
Animals are naturally scared of humans that's why attacks are rare if you release an animal that does not fear humans they will wonder into a village and kill innocent people, and just for the record that video is of a circus not a zoo why your attacking zoo's is beyond me

(i am on about lions and such). Though some can be re-released i don't know all the details so wont talk too much on this subject.

before we go on please do research look up

Zoo's serve a purpose, like prisons, care homes, mental homes.

I had to facepalm this one... Likening a zoo's purpopse to a prison as if all the animals in a zoo committed some sort of crime....Likening a zoo to a care/mental home like animals asked for our intervention...
this is more to address your comment, we wouldn't do this to humans we do!

only difference is we enjoy seeing animals so they can raise money from that.

What we enjoy is exerting/imposing control...It feels good to see criminals behind bars and it feels good to see mental people not roaming our streets and old people who can't help themselves wondering about as well....and we do make money from all of it same as the animals in zoos...profit is the bottom line at the end of the day...and that's the real purpose..
the world is run by money without nothing will get done, so profit is a big thing, not saying its right but you are clearly not seeing the good that zoo's do

But keep in mind i am by no means claiming keeping animals needlessly in captivity is right, but we do in some cases do it for humans if the need arises so you can hardly argue superiority based on this.

So since we do it to ourselves its OK for animals? Wow... Neither the people nor the animals that are being confined wants it so I don't know how you're coming up with your line of thought
Fine let the old & senile wander the streets with the criminals & animals lets have no order that's so much better isn't it.

single minded fool, i'm at least trying to copulate a discussion based on this rather then single mindedly sticking to the idea that zoo's do good. I am trying to understand and address your points some of which i agree with but not all. If you cant be arsed to form a real response don't respond at all. but allow me to address everything in manner you have.

[Bartic]

Out of curiosity, do you eat meat?

That doesn't count, steaks grow on trees.

[BuDo]

Budu i said go do some research. Hunting does not mean killing, people trade animals alive as well as dead.

So you are saying zoos take from the wild...just via proxy..OK so we agree
We already agree on a number of points just not all, but this isn't zoo's taking or even sending hunters to capture animals in many cases they live in poor conditions for years before been saved and brought back into a relatively happy state some will be traumatized by the ordeal, zoos if possible will re-release animals but of course they need to be sure the animal can survive

I'm not claiming all zoo's are the same im sure in countries that don't have strict rules they might do wrong, but in places like Europe, Canada, America ETC rules are tight.

This doesn't take away the fact the poor animals are incarcerated against their will so not sure why this was mentioned..
I'm sorry the whole world isn't nice at least in most of the bigger countries they understand this issue and will do their best to stop animals been captured

Now as for flying injured animals abroad ever thought of the idea of specialists? as a human you would fly to go see a specialist right?

Any sick animal that is worth flying to see a specialist is equally deserving of the specialist flying to see it...And I don't mind the animal flying to see some specialist as long as its flown back home and released...just like you and me would expect..
Many are, unless they have i don't know lost a leg or eye or something that would mean they can no longer survive in the wild, many specialists will likely fly to the animal too but in the off chance they cant a zoo offers a means of monitoring the animal

Now 90% of the animals would not survive in the wild compared from living in a zoo, in most cases they become too used to been near humans one of the reasons its dangerous to release a lot of these animals, imagine if they were not scared of humans and wonder into a village? they are dangerous!!

So the answer for animals being too familiar with people is to get them even more familiar with people within a zoo environment? Wow...I wonder what the guy in the video being mauled thinks about this.... And also 90% of these animals were doing just fine before we gained the notion of locking them up...
Animals are naturally scared of humans that's why attacks are rare if you release an animal that does not fear humans they will wonder into a village and kill innocent people, and just for the record that video is of a circus not a zoo why your attacking zoo's is beyond me

(i am on about lions and such). Though some can be re-released i don't know all the details so wont talk too much on this subject.

before we go on please do research look up

Zoo's serve a purpose, like prisons, care homes, mental homes.

I had to facepalm this one... Likening a zoo's purpopse to a prison as if all the animals in a zoo committed some sort of crime....Likening a zoo to a care/mental home like animals asked for our intervention...
this is more to address your comment, we wouldn't do this to humans we do!

only difference is we enjoy seeing animals so they can raise money from that.

What we enjoy is exerting/imposing control...It feels good to see criminals behind bars and it feels good to see mental people not roaming our streets and old people who can't help themselves wondering about as well....and we do make money from all of it same as the animals in zoos...profit is the bottom line at the end of the day...and that's the real purpose..
the world is run by money without nothing will get done, so profit is a big thing, not saying its right but you are clearly not seeing the good that zoo's do

But keep in mind i am by no means claiming keeping animals needlessly in captivity is right, but we do in some cases do it for humans if the need arises so you can hardly argue superiority based on this.

So since we do it to ourselves its OK for animals? Wow... Neither the people nor the animals that are being confined wants it so I don't know how you're coming up with your line of thought
Fine let the old & senile wander the streets with the criminals & animals lets have no order that's so much better isn't it.

single minded fool, i'm at least trying to copulate a discussion based on this rather then single mindedly sticking to the idea that zoo's do good. I am trying to understand and address your points some of which i agree with but not all. If you cant be arsed to form a real response don't respond at all. but allow me to address everything in manner you have.

My single minded belief is based on the fact that animals have been doing relatively well for a considerable amount of years (hundreds if not thousands) hence why zoos are not necessary to "study" them or care for them....I do realize the intentions towards animals in zoos seems pure but it's misguided... When a killer whale, lion or tiger kill a zoo keeper/trainer the facility opens the next week for business rather than question the validity behinds it's existence...... I actually find you to be a single minded fool as well for buying into the system without even questioning its relevance....You need to wake up...My back and forth with you is done here...

[Bartic]

My single minded belief is based on the fact that animals have been doing relatively well for a considerable amount of years (hundreds if not thousands) hence why zoos are not necessary to "study" them or care for them....I do realize the intentions towards animals in zoos seems pure but it's misguided... When a killer whale, lion or tiger kill a zoo keeper/trainer the facility opens the next week for business rather than question the validity behinds it's existence...... I actually find you to be a single minded fool as well for buying into the system without even questioning its relevance....You need to wake up...My back and forth with you is done here...

Some of them were doing good, other ones not so good, that's why they went extinct. And I do understand where you're coming from. Yes, they deserve to live in the wild and everything, but do you really think that just banning the poaching will stop the poachers?

Edit:

If you're asking me yes I do eat meat...If a lion catches me in the wild I can't argue...If we were raising animals in zoos for food I'd also have no argument...If had no choice but to shoot a lion in order to eat I would again have no argument with that...

I think that like 99% of the meat that every one of us eats comes from animals in captivity.

[BuDo]

Out of curiosity, do you eat meat?

If you're asking me yes I do eat meat...If a lion catches me in the wild I can't argue...If we were raising animals in zoos for food I'd also have no argument...If had no choice but to shoot a lion in order to eat I would again have no argument with that...

[*BlackFox]

Wild animals need their wild habitats.. "their home" Being born in a zoo is like being born in prison. A zoo doesn't simulate their natural habitat and it's not a practical place for baby animals to be in. Well, how do you differentiate between what's good for one animal versus what's good for the entire species?