If Salvation re-opened would you join?

deathtoall · Post by **deathtoall** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:44 am

dam that scks.. salvation ran off of vsro files correct?

I could look into it but haven't done any work like this in 8 years. lemme go refresh mahselfs.

Alerion · Post by **Alerion** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:46 am

GL Death

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:30 am

Yeah, vsro.

Eureka · Post by **Eureka** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:23 pm

I'd totally support you. But you'd need a really good coding team.

omier · Post by **omier** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:29 pm

I guess I could say we have a server a bit like Salvation almost done, though we started much earlier. But it is going to be China only.

Feataler · Post by **Feataler** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:02 pm

Tasdik wrote:Tricky thing will be not getting old players back, necessarily, but getting new ones.

We need a strong guild/union with which we can fight with. Conflict is the key to a successful server. And Salvation didn't have that towards the end, so it died.

There's no such things as new players for this game, at least in our community. Just look at the guilds, it's always the same people and same guild names everytime. It's a complete turnoff.

Take SuddenDeath for example, I see that one everytime I join the new server. I was a SD member myself back in Venus and I liked the guild but seriously people... it's been 4 years since and you keep making the guild even if the actual SD members aren't there anymore.

You all group up in the same guild, then wonder why you have no opponents. People need something new for servers to last, not something they've grown completely tired of seeing.

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:06 pm

Sanktum wrote:I guess I could say we have a server a bit like Salvation almost done, though we started much earlier. But it is going to be China only.

How is it like Salvation?

Feataler wrote:
Tasdik wrote:Tricky thing will be not getting old players back, necessarily, but getting new ones.

We need a strong guild/union with which we can fight with. Conflict is the key to a successful server. And Salvation didn't have that towards the end, so it died.

There's no such things as new players for this game, at least in our community. Just look at the guilds, it's always the same people and same guild names everytime. It's a complete turnoff.

Take SuddenDeath for example, I see that one everytime I join the new server. I was a SD member myself back in Venus and I liked the guild but seriously people... it's been 4 years since and you keep making the guild even if the actual SD members aren't there anymore.

You all group up in the same guild, then wonder why you have no opponents. People need something new for servers to last, not something they've grown completely tired of seeing.

By new people, I believe he means people outside the Salvation/SRF pool. They do exist.

The problem is people in SuddenDeath #89 think that qualifies them to create SuddenDeath #90 on whatever new server is out there. My friend created the guild Ninjitsu on Venus, and people he never even met are out on the new private servers making "Ninjitsu" because they were in it for a day.

I agree, people need to be more original. SuddenDeath has lost its luster.

Feataler · Post by **Feataler** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:09 pm

Yes that's the problem, this isn't the real SD anymore, it's just people using the name to draw more attention and get recruits. And after #89 you just get tired of always having the exact same guilds.

This is an old game, and when you log in and see old copy/pasted names, first thing you think of doing is leaving.

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:13 pm

Agreed. Some ex-Venus players and SRF itself also did a great job of alienating many people, so when new players log on a server and see SuddenDeath and Avalon all over again, I feel like they may just quit/leave the server and save themselves the headache.

Which is ironic because of what you mentioned... they aren't even the original members anymore.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:37 pm

Does it really matter if they're the 'original' players or not? Since when is SuddenDeath under copy right?

omier · Post by **omier** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:39 pm

Sae wrote:
Sanktum wrote:I guess I could say we have a server a bit like Salvation almost done, though we started much earlier. But it is going to be China only.

How is it like Salvation?

It's 70 cap and has Taklamakan.

Not so many similarities though. It's basically 1x rates, but quest rewards will cap you alone(add to that the exp you get from doing them and from other activities, and you can skip some), requirements are also much smaller. Increased job rewards, added new uniques for lvl 30 and 70(not working atm, because of DW Cave), also the lvl 50 Taishan Monster unique is there. Has FW, CTF and some other casual stuff, BA with different rewards, has no FgW as of now because we haven't put anything reasonable as the reward yet and what we tried didn't work. Also working on custom weapons(not ripped from other games)(textures still need to be done) and then need to implement them in a nice way. Anyway(probably missed something, haven't worked on the server for too long), a lot of testing and some work still needs to be done.

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:05 pm

No its not copyrighted, but it is unoriginal and overdone. Relying on another guild's name recognition to attract players is cheap IMO. Creating your own brand would give a server a much more fresh, so to speak, feeling.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:09 pm

I could see that, but ive joined SuddenDeath in every server ive been on, id like to think after a few years i have the right to be in it if i please. Especially if Kyau is leader >.>
Edit: And i'm pretty sure you cant make a guild without that name already being used at some point in time, everyone is always copying someone. :palm:

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:17 pm

You're missing my point.

Anyway. /nudges Tasdick

Feataler · Post by **Feataler** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Leviathan wrote:I could see that, but ive joined SuddenDeath in every server ive been on, id like to think after a few years i have the right to be in it if i please. Especially if Kyau is leader >.>
Edit: And i'm pretty sure you cant make a guild without that name already being used at some point in time, everyone is always copying someone.

Yeah what Sae said you're just playing stupid.

What's this 7x server anyway? Any website or is this just a project for the future?

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:28 pm

I got the point of what you're saying, a new name would make things a little more fresh for newcomers, just tired of seeing people QQ over guild names...

ltsune · Post by **ltsune** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:05 pm

Not as the server turned out, no.

I would like it but without the egy shitty weapons and armor. Just make it a plain 70 or 90 cap server. Kthxbye

Feataler · Post by **Feataler** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:45 pm

Yeah Egy weapons sucked, I didn't like all the gear grinding at all.

Aristocrat · Post by **Aristocrat** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:32 pm

well since we got our hand into ludoworks we'll do our best to try n bring out the best parts of salvation in there + the things that where never possible for fly to handle

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:21 pm

"Our" hands? Who are you referring to?

Tasdik · Post by **Tasdik** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:29 am

Sae wrote:Anyway. /nudges Tasdick

*moans*

And he's referring to some of us from Salv. Mostly Infensus people, but I shall keep them in line.

Aristocrat · Post by **Aristocrat** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:28 am

Sae wrote:"Our" hands? Who are you referring to?

me jose, req, charming, vaya and a few more.

Metal · Post by **Metal** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:43 am

I was thinking about this for a while.
First I thought It'd be a great idea to bring salvation back.Then I noticed it's also same as getting together with your ex-gf/bf.It feels good but somewhere in you knows it's wrong and won't be the same as before.

So let's keep salvation in our memories.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:37 pm

Metal wrote:I was thinking about this for a while.
First I thought It'd be a great idea to bring salvation back.Then I noticed it's also same as getting together with your ex-gf/bf.It feels good but somewhere in you knows it's wrong and won't be the same as before.

So let's keep salvation in our memories.

Yeah but that gf still gave a meaner bj than any other one, so ofc you want her back, who cares if its wrong

penfold1992 · Post by **penfold1992** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:58 pm

I liked the egy weapons. Not exactly the weapons but just something different to look at.
Maybe have like.... t10 t11 t12 items (or more if there is any) and make them all the same stats, just so people can swap and change looks... keeps it a little more interesting

omier · Post by **omier** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:49 pm

^There are also 13d and 14d.

_Dutchy_ · Post by **_Dutchy_** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:01 pm

I would love to play Salvation again , only reason i left was because of the constant changes in skills and etc. Not talking about the new content wich was great

penfold1992 · Post by **penfold1992** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Sanktum wrote:^There are also 13d and 14d.

since so many people made photoshop and model edits i dont even know what D13 and D14 look like really... =S

Toast · Post by **Toast** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:36 pm

D13:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMdlHD4oAM

D14:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9uEBKyiaFU

omier · Post by **omier** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:36 pm

^13d is already in ISRO. It has some great looking weapons, such as the glaive which is easily one of the coolest glaives imo. I believe there was a thread about it here, maybe also 14 degree, but I don't really like 14d as there are nice things, but there are also things that ruin everything, such as the spikes on the blade and the weird thing on the handle of the glaive and the things on the bow that are clearly too damn huge. The daggers are just getting longer and longer, it's ridiculous. A 14d dagger is far longer than a 1d sword.

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