US ambassador to Libya Killed.

[BuDo]

May jebus and mohammered forgive you all....That's if they exist....and gave a rats ass.....All I know is human tendencies transcends cultural, social and religious borders.... terrorist and murderers are everywhere...west and east.....same for people who fight terror.......cant we just all get along?

[Fury]

May jebus and mohammered forgive you all....That's if they exist....and gave a rats ass.....All I know is human tendencies transcends cultural, social and religious borders.... terrorist and murderers are everywhere...west and east.....same for people who fight terror.......cant we just all get along?

Ok join hands everyone

[omier]

Lol at a muslim complaining about Israel invading. Muslim countries have been harassing Israel since day one. And Israel still manages to kick your asses every time. So don't even start.

And US has always got Israel's back. Guess why?

Also, why don't people burn the Bible? Not siding with any religions here, but just a thought.

[nax284]

Lol at a muslim complaining about Israel invading. Muslim countries have been harassing Israel since day one. And Israel still manages to kick your asses every time. So don't even start.

And US has always got Israel's back. Guess why?

Also, why don't people burn the Bible? Not siding with any religions here, but just a thought.

People do burn the bible, it's just people don't take the religion as seriously as Muslims take their religion.

[BuDo]

May jebus and mohammered forgive you all....That's if they exist....and gave a rats ass.....All I know is human tendencies transcends cultural, social and religious borders.... terrorist and murderers are everywhere...west and east.....same for people who fight terror.......cant we just all get along?

Ok join hands everyone

lol...No need to hold hands to get along

[omier]

Lol at a muslim complaining about Israel invading. Muslim countries have been harassing Israel since day one. And Israel still manages to kick your asses every time. So don't even start.

And US has always got Israel's back. Guess why?

Also, why don't people burn the Bible? Not siding with any religions here, but just a thought.

People do burn the bible, it's just people don't take the religion as seriously as Muslims take their religion.

But it hasn't become a thing as burning the Quran has in USA.

[*BlackFox]

New protest turns violent outside U.S. Embassy in Cairo

Cairo (CNN) -- President Barack Obama has served up what is being seen as a stern warning to Egypt amid continuing protests near the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, describing the longtime recipient of U.S. aid as something less than an ally.

"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," Obama told Telemundo in an interview to be aired Thursday night. "They're a new government that is trying to find its way. They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident."

In the interview, recorded Wednesday, Obama said that if Egypt takes actions that "indicate they're not taking responsibilities, as all other countries do where we have embassies, I think that's going to be a real big problem."
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[heroo]

@ tasdik and thedrop



fck this shit

[Tasdik]

[MrTwilliger]

Conjecture, it's all just conjecture. Don't get me wrong, I love a good discussion. But I demand that my discussion be based on sourced facts (or at least not based solely on bias and opinion) that people counter points in a mannered, logical way. All this swearing, all this rage, how is it helping the discussion? If we want to express our opinions about this matter than we are just being counter productive to the entire process. I came here expecting a mature discussion that would allow me to increase my knowledge on an area that I know nothing about, but all I got was a bunch of bullshit. I'm honestly disappointed guys.

I skimmed through this thread to see the thoughts on what happened. Instead I get religion wars. I guess it should have been typical before even clicking this thread. I should have just stayed away from SRF forever.

I agree Toshi, I totally agree. On that note I've had enough of all these fights and arguments, if this is how we handle a serious debate than I see no point coming here any more. I'm done.

[Tasdik]

And nothing of value was lost.

[Jantje]

@Heroo. Chillax, Americans will be Americans.

[ShiningBow]

Main source? Hell yes, as someone said, most MENA countries are ran by a religous government, and it puts a smile on my face when I see the same reaction from you as I see from every muslim when they being questioned. You guys cant tolerate being criticized without your monkey state being unleashed.

oh wait.. Wasn't there a little girl (around 12 years old) who burned some pages from the Quran in a Middle Eastern country who is waiting for her sentence? The worst punishment she could get was a death sentence and the funny part is that she had some sort of illness. I believe it was downs syndrome.

So dont you dare tell me heroo that Islam isnt a fucking problem. It's a cancer on the planet earth that should have been removed a long time ago.

That's a pretty extreme statement...

[Strwarrior]

Well obviously ur opinion wont affect the islam, and i dont see any point in arguing, because the chance of becoming a muslim because somone convinced u over the internet is like 1%?

but i would like to say smthn..

About burning the quran.. First why would u even burn a book that ALOT of people consider it a holy book?, i cant see any point or benifet in this...
If any another religion accepts it, it doesnt mean we have to..


U could make a movie about ANYTHING, why would u choose this topic and also make these ppl look bad.. I mean ok u believe in freedom etc.. But we have rights and we didnt ask for anything, we are just asking for respect.. Because these people are starting these problems, not us..

However someone must be hated and blamed, And defending outselves is FOR SURE wrong, means we are mad and we are going to blow something up...

P.S , just an offtopic:

Usa didnt bring peace to iraq at all.. Or fight terrorism or any kind of this bullshit..
At this moment, in iraq anyone would die, without any reason too, when saddam hussain was in iraq, these stuff didnt happen... People die in iraq and noone even notices, but ofcourse usa brought peace to iraq.. Thats the important thing that everyone cares about...

Im from iraq, my family is there, I KNOW, we lived there, we saw everything, so i dont really care what media told u...

But guess what, muslims are terrorists.. Yeah sure.

Also do u know that there are TONS of people look like saddam hussain, that guy who died may not even be him.. I can get pics if u want.


If al qaeda thing/ 11/9 .. Was all made up i wont be surprised also.

In the end ur opinion doesnt matter... Islam is there from 1400+ years.. If media(or watever organization is controlling it) wants islam to look bad then what?, it wont end because u want it to.. Lol

Anyways im just sayin, u dont have to believe it, it doesnt really matter, u cant destroy islam or anything, u are not controlling this world..
If we were wrong and crazy then let us be, leave us alone...
If we were right about our religion so ur smiply f/u/cked.

[Swindler]

well don't make those jokes over there. do you expect the people of that country to adapt to you? or should you adapt to their culture and values? kind of simple imo.

Depends, if Islams come to my country, I expect them to adapt to my culture and values. Same if I would come to theirs. The problem is, very few actually DOES. They expect US to adapt to their rules. "Hurr durr, in my country if a woman shows more than eyes, means she's a slut and it's her fault for me raping her" <- Common argument by Islamic people both here in Sweden and Norway. They want our schools to stop going to the church because they are not allowed too, we should stop serving pork at school, because you are not allowed to eat that. The list goes on.


and even so, the youth in most Islamic countries is becoming less and less influenced by the religious way they were raised. they still care alot about their religion and they still respect it tremendously, but they don't let it dramatically influence the way they live anymore. they are starting to get know the world through internet. they are starting to discover how other young people elsehwere in the world live and how they combine their religion with their personal needs/wishes.

Glad to hear, from a religion that hasn't evolved it might be time for that. But I have to see it to believe it, and I haven't yet.


the youth is starting to take religion more lightly, being able to laugh about jokes and able to understand and accept there are views. when I visited Iraq last time, I really felt the youth wanted to leave that devastated country and go out explore the world. their life are not determined by religion and culture only. everyone is studying their asses off so they can get good grades and be able to go study in other countries. they want to see Europe, the U.S. and other parts of the world.

Same thing here, have to see it to believe it. Sure, there is always different people. I got many Islamic friends, most of them does not practice it. They still dont eat pork and they still "celebrate" Ramadan, not because their religion tells them too. Just because many of them enjoy the company with their families at the dinner table in the evenings. How ever since these guys isnt believers they dont feel offended if I tell a joke and starts yelling about killing my family etcetcetc. While a christian usually laughs. You expect US to respect YOU, but YOU shouldn't need to respect US.


this is a very significant and important change. it will decide the way the Islam will co-exist with other religions and the rest of the world. it's a change i encourage and hope will keep on going.

But alot of people have a wrong idea of the Islam and in religion in general. there are billions of people who are religious but accept all democracy's values and other people's views. this is the vast majority of the religious people. but f4ggots like Swindler and most of the internetsociety are too blind to see that fact because of their enormous hate against religion. it's funny they say religion is intolerant when they can't accept the fact alot of people choose to be religious. I never used to think bad about atheists, but 6 years on SRF have really changed that lol.


Funny how you have to bring up internet as your only argument, that my opinions is just based on what I've read on the internet. I want you heroo, to come to Sweden and sit a couple of hours in the cities/suburbs in Stockholm(Södertälje, Botkyrka etc) or Malmö and see what your religion has done to especially Malmö(I dislike Stockholm), once an beautiful city that I've enjoyed many summers in, is now Swedens comparison to USA's Detroit. The only difference is that Detroit is manly inhabited by African Americans, and Malmö MENA. Where firemen cant even enter serval suburbs when something is burning up without multiple police escorts because the immigrants is throwing rocks and shooting at them. Where the "moustache gangstas" write letters to the cops telling them to keep out of the area because the Swedish laws doesn't apply to them.

anyways, this is an ongoing discussion which will never end. we will have to wait and see how religion develops and what its place will be in society in the future. i'm positive about that and hope in the future everyone will be able to live in peace with each other, regardless of your religion, race or w/e.

Islam will never have a place in a Western society unless it actually starts evolving and leave behind their stone age values and morals. Something I dont see happening anytime soon.


edit: Swindler, you show your true face haha. you don't know sh1t about this matter, so I'm not even going to waste time on a f4g like you. go fck urself in a dark corner, bra.

Atleast my religion doesn't stones homosexual people to their deaths. So much for a loving, peaceful and accepting religion huh?

Main source? Hell yes, as someone said, most MENA countries are ran by a religous government, and it puts a smile on my face when I see the same reaction from you as I see from every muslim when they being questioned. You guys cant tolerate being criticized without your monkey state being unleashed.

oh wait.. Wasn't there a little girl (around 12 years old) who burned some pages from the Quran in a Middle Eastern country who is waiting for her sentence? The worst punishment she could get was a death sentence and the funny part is that she had some sort of illness. I believe it was downs syndrome.

So dont you dare tell me heroo that Islam isnt a fucking problem. It's a cancer on the planet earth that should have been removed a long time ago.

That's a pretty extreme statement...

Might be extreme, personally I would rather live in a world who's not ran by any sort of religion. But Islam is the worst of them all, and it is noticeable because more and more is opening up their eyes to what Islam really is and they wont accept it anymore. I agree that USA stick their noses in places they dont belong. But the conditions in the Middle Eastern countries wouldn't be better or worse than what they already is.

[Strwarrior]

If being better means accepting gay people... Then its bullshit.
Being gay means ur sick....

@swindler, obviously from ur post u dont know anything about islam... Excuses for raping, if u rape ur not muslim, simple as that... No need to even go on..

[Swindler]

Being gay does not equal being sick, really strwarrior. More of a inbreed that I could of imagined.

I never said Islam is the cause of all the rape in this world. I was trying to point out that Islam got such different culture, values and morals and until they evolve to something that fits in todays western society they will be able to be a part of it, until that day stay in your countries unless you know & are willing to adapt. Which a few really are.

[Strwarrior]

Being gay does not equal being sick, really strwarrior. More of a inbreed that I could of imagined.

I never said Islam is the cause of all the rape in this world. I was trying to point out that Islam got such different culture, values and morals and until they evolve to something that fits in todays western society they will be able to be a part of it, until that day stay in your countries unless you know & are willing to adapt. Which a few really are.

To me it means sick, call me homophobic or anything.. I dont care.

I dont think u got my point, if someone rapes, he is not a muslim, if he says he is a muslim then its just bullshit..
Lets say, a muslim that believes well, will never ever rape... We as muslims are not supposed to stare at girls, let alone raping or having sex..
And in islam that "show only eye" is not a must, its just some people believe its better for the girl (sometimes cuz she is really attractive), like 80-90% of muslims doesnt wear "only eye thingy",
Anyways just let the girl wear what she wants.. Show her some respect, if she doesnt wanna show her hair or body, there are so many other girls..

Sorry if i misspelled smthn or missed smthn, im on mobile

[Toshiharu]

I dont think u got my point, if someone rapes, he is not a muslim, if he says he is a muslim then its just bullshit

Oh please. You know it's horseshit just like this entire thread. If someone raped someone it's not because of their religion, but because they're.. well I don't want to say crazy considering many would know what they're doing. Also

So dont you dare tell me heroo that Islam isnt a Farking problem. It's a cancer on the planet earth that should have been removed a long time ago.

See: Above. Is religion the cause? Or is it someone creating a mindset using religion as a scapegoat the cause? Perhaps both were not in a correct mental state? The list goes on.

However religion in laws, in my opinion, is cancer. You can believe what you want, but don't influence society in a such a way. Yes it's heavily present in the middle east, but look at every other place. Christianity also has a heavy foothold and so on.

Spoiler!

Religion is the cancer of the Earth. If it didn't exist then a thousands of years ago we'd have technology that we have now. Look how far we've advanced from a 100 years ago. More or less religion stopped playing a heavy influence.

This thread is also cancer considering how fast we stray away from anything relating to the Middle East and Muslims. Doesn't matter what it may be we end up at the same point.

[Strwarrior]

^ true , but such person shouldnt be related to the religion, the religion says no to raping, u go and rape, ur not related to this religion anymore... So dont go around saying i saw a muslim rape, if he rapes he is not muslim.

[Swindler]

1. To me it means sick, call me homophobic or anything.. I dont care.

2. And in islam that "show only eye" is not a must, its just some people believe its better for the girl (sometimes cuz she is really attractive), like 80-90% of muslims doesnt wear "only eye thingy",
Anyways just let the girl wear what she wants.. Show her some respect, if she doesnt wanna show her hair or body, there are so many other girls..

Sorry if i misspelled smthn or missed smthn, im on mobile

1. You know what they say, usually those who got a "problem" with homosexuals is most likely Gaschamber lovers themself, rarely just know it or keeps denying it. Tell me str, are you a buttbuddy

2. Maybe not, a friend of mine had a girl in his class back in the days who was forced upon it from her parents, she usually took it off in classes though.

Anyways, discussing religion is like talking to a wall, you never get anywhere. Which is usually why I avoid them, but heroo's comment was so full of shit that my toilet seemed cleaner so I couldn't hold it.

[CrimsonNuker]

This thread man, this thread.

[Toshiharu]

^ true , but such person shouldnt be related to the religion, the religion says no to raping, u go and rape, ur not related to this religion anymore... So dont go around saying i saw a muslim rape, if he rapes he is not muslim.

Now that's just terrible reasoning.

@Crimson
>mfw clicking these threads

I guess I'll never learn.

[woutR]

If being better means accepting gay people... Then its bullshit.
Being gay means ur sick....

How can you expect people to respect your religion when you show no respect to others?
Shame on you. I have lost all respect I may have had for you.

[BuDo]

The REAL problem is "human susceptibility" to being controlled by any belief system whether ideological, cultural, social or religious. No need to attack these belief systems themselves as they are separate from and do not define people. They may identify you but they don't define who you are.

It is our vulnerability to be controlled by them that is the real danger. Which is inherent in all people. And see a lot of people here on both sides of the argument being controlled by the misappropriated idea that islam, christianity, american, iraq, middle east, western ways, etc are causes for problems. These things are not people....Just merely created by people

[Fury]

Lots of lols in this thread. Especially the part where strwarrior said being gay is a sickness..massive lols there

[Strwarrior]

@swindler
Im gay now too :O, waw xD.

i said in my first post, noone here will change, not me and not you, u wont end this religion and i wont make you a muslim either, soooo.

This actually happens, I cant really explain it well. But her parents didn't raise her well and now expecting her to be a good girl from nowhere...



@toshi, all im trying to say that if somone rapes, he is no more a muslim... I dont Farking know how u cant understand that..

@woutr
First this is a religion, not a sexual taste or something.


2nd, to most of you muslims are terrorists, and this religion should end (hejsan), i asked to respect me as a muslim living in ur country, thats all.

To me gays are a problem, dont tell me ur born gay, born with a wrong body LOL, please dont start such topics now, anyways i dont care if ur gay or not, ur a good guy ill be a good guy, but when it comes to muslims, they dont even get a chance to prove they are normal humans, but for sure gays are normal.



3rd, ill ask this question again, why do u burn a book that alot of people in this world consider it a holy book? Why?

Why do u have to draw or make fun of muhammed (pbuh)?, make fun of any another character, create a funny character or anything lol, u could make a movie about anything else in this world... Really..

@Fury, yeah because gayness was sickness before but now its normal, just because someone accepted them and made the "homophobic" term doesnt mean they are normal.

[Something96]

you really think religion is the main source of all these problems? haha, a retard indeed.

i'd saya leave your pc screen and go see the world with your own eyes, maybe you'll discover the world doesn't only exist of the sh1t you read on internet and reality is different.

You think Iraq, Lybia, Egypt and all those countries are extremely religious? TROLLOL. you clearly a retard.

Yes, they might miss a prayer, but they'll never laugh if you tell them a joke related to their religion, instead, they'll beat the shit out of you, that applies to any random person you meet in here not just the majority, everyone is raised on those principles.

They're not retards for believing so, it's the truth.

Yes, yes they will.

90% of Arabs don't know shit about Islam, they just say they are muslims because of their ancestors. If they actually knew anything about Islam and what it means, we won't be hated by the entire world.

[MrJoey]

Ignorance level > 9000

Applies to damn near every post in this thread

[*BlackFox]

Though I'm not a believer of all the things that Islam preaches, I'm tolerant of it and I respect the people who are Islamic. But I'm against all "barbarian violence" act on innocent people! Well, Islam has the most sadistic and barbaric form of morality! For example.. Women being beaten up, Just because a woman wearing improper clothes, stoned for being raped. gays being killed, criticism, etc.. What the hell is this?
Such thing.. I'm not going to respect it, in fact, I'm going to say it's wrong.