US ambassador to Libya Killed.

[Tasdik]

Spoiler!

The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other American staff members were killed Tuesday in an attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, the White House confirmed. President Obama, in a written statement issued Wednesday morning, called the attack "outrageous" and "senseless."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/us-ambassador-to-libya-and-3-embassy-staff-members-reportedly-killed-in-libya/

Thoughts?

My 2 cents: This shit is getting out of hand. First the invading of the U.S. Embassy is in Cairo Egypt, and now this? Something needs to be done.

[Rosato]

We give so much money to a country that doesn't want any. Lets just leave them alone!

[chickenfeather]

I heard this video is why the muslims are going apeshit

[Panu]

We need to stop playing the World Police role..

[*BlackFox]

killed over a stupid movie? That's farked!

[nax284]

@ Panu, we wont stop until someone stops us, which will never happen.

@ Black, Muhammad is "untouchable" in the muslim world. You don't say a word bad about him or make any movie of him etc.

[Vaya]

I heard this video is why the muslims are going apeshit

"This content is not available in your country due to a legal complaint."

They wanted to avenge from those who made the video(or dubbed it into Arabic), but instead, they gave it a million dollar ad and gave the US army a reason to get into their lands, which I bet will happen very soon.

[*BlackFox]

Muhammad is "untouchable" in the muslim world. You don't say a word bad about him or make any movie of him etc.

I don't see "Muhammad" as untouchable by any means.
Well.. freedom of speech is a fundamental human right... And there's nothing wrong with criticizing someone.
As long as It Isn't extremely bad. But It doesn't warrant or justify murderous.

Seriously, you all need to loosen up a little bit.. xD

[heroo]

LOOOOL @ all the people thinking the frustration of these people is based upon this movie alone. You guys have obviously alot to learn.

And cry me a river about some deaths when the U.S. is responsible for millions of deaths around the world.

[*BlackFox]

LOOOOL @ all the people thinking the frustration of these people is based upon this movie alone

So... what's the "real reason" for the sudden attack on Libya?

[BuDo]

Shit happens...lives lost...How can we reduce the chances of it happening again.....That should be the focus...

[CrimsonNuker]

[TheDrop]

I really think think this is a fcking joke. Someone in Hollywood makes a movie (who basically no one in the US even knew about), a bunch of retarded Muslims attack bunch of government diplomatic workers with no affiliation in Libya.

Yes the movie itself is retarded. Apparently it was made by a Jewish person with with 100 jewish donors, but it also said the whole thing might just be different clips of scenes dubbed in together, or it was made by a bunch of Copts and Evangelicals..or something.

Basically its a home-made shitty film that no one in the world gives a shit about, except apparently the muslims in Libya, who apparently think killing people over it is fine. Like every other same fcking incident.

Most in the US dont wanna be in the shitty Middle east, apparently they dont want us either, but ofcourse the government and the oil companies dont give a shit about that..next stop, Iran.

Its funny cause i would understand people in Afghanistan and Iraq being mad about the US intervening in their shit (even though majority support US help..lolwut), you wouldnt expect the same shitty fcks that you just helped against a mass mmurdering dictator to be a little less, retarded.

"islam is a religion of peace"
Funny how much they idolise Muhammed even though they are strictly only supposed to believe in God, and idoltary is a sin..

m_a_d

[Gaigemasta]

religion - bleh!

[heroo]

@ the drop

so killing diplomatic workers is worse then innocent people? atleast diplomatic workers know the risks of their job.

and you made the Middle-East so fcked up, first Britain and now U.S./Israël, so calm your fcking tone about that, because first you exploited every single bit of it and now you are faced with the consequences you suddenly don't want to be there?

The majority of Iraq/Afghanistan support U.S. help? are you farking serious? LOL FCKING WAT indeed. and I love it when someone says the U.S. is helping blabla, because the U.S. only helps itself. their whole foreign policy is based upon increasing their (and their companies) power/influence in the world. they do what they want to and then leave the country in complete chaos. so thanks, but no thanks for that 'help'. and not everyone in Lybia was against Kadaffi, that's exactly the reason behind this attack. the movie was used as an excuse for Kadaffi pro/anti-U.S. people to attack the U.S. embassy.

and you obviously don't know anything about the Islam. you expect Muslims to be peaceful when you and Israël invade and exploite all Islamic countries? guess what, ain't gonna happen. and they don't idolise Muhammed, but he is the messenger of God, the one that brought our religion to this world. ofcourse he is an important person. and funny fact: you never see anyone mocking Jesus or Mozes in Islamic countries, because they are together with Muhammed the prophets mentioned in the Quran. we respect him and Mozes as much as we do Muhammed, but we see Muhammed as the final prophet sent by God.

and just for your information, these kind of things will happen more and more because that is exactly what the U.S. and Israël want. it gives a foundation for their 'War on terror' which actually enables to do what the ever they want in the world.

And don't blame religion, because it's all politics

m_a_d

[nax284]

@ the drop

so killing diplomatic workers is worse then innocent people? atleast diplomatic workers know the risks of their job.

and you made the Middle-East so fcked up, first Britain and now U.S./Israël, so calm your fcking tone about that, because first you exploited every single bit of it and now you are faced with the consequences you suddenly don't want to be there?

The majority of Iraq/Afghanistan support U.S. help? are you farking serious? LOL FCKING WAT indeed. and I love it when someone says the U.S. is helping blabla, because the U.S. only helps itself. their whole foreign policy is based upon increasing their (and their companies) power/influence in the world. they do what they want to and then leave the country in complete chaos. so thanks, but no thanks for that 'help'. and not everyone in Lybia was against Kadaffi, that's exactly the reason behind this attack. the movie was used as an excuse for Kadaffi pro/anti-U.S. people to attack the U.S. embassy.

and you obviously don't know anything about the Islam. you expect Muslims to be peaceful when you and Israël invade and exploite all Islamic countries? guess what, ain't gonna happen. and they don't idolise Muhammed, but he is the messenger of God, the one that brought our religion to this world. ofcourse he is an important person. and funny fact: you never see anyone mocking Jesus or Mozes in Islamic countries, because they are together with Muhammed the prophets mentioned in the Quran. we respect him and Mozes as much as we do Muhammed, but we see Muhammed as the final prophet sent by God.

and just for your information, these kind of things will happen more and more because that is exactly what the U.S. and Israël want. it gives a foundation for their 'War on terror' which actually enables to do what the ever they want in the world.

And don't blame religion, because it's all politics

m_a_d

That last part is sheer bullshit, the majority of middle eastern countries are ran by a theocratic government, meaning it is a religiously run government so yes blame religion because they're the ones corrupting the government. For those of you who don't believe that look at the US government at the moment.

Also about the beginning the "you fked the middle east" stuff that's also bull and you know it. A large number of those countries have has civil unrest before we got there and will have it well after we leave. Did we(the US) make it worse for our own personal gain, yep we did, who's fault is that? Your countries leaders, they allowed it to happen.

[heroo]

we don't have leaders haha, because every fcking leader is installed by the U.S. if you're a leader and against the U.S., they just invade your country and remove you by force. just look at Saddam. and they're planning to do the same with Iran now. the U.S. can't afford to have independent governments in the Middle-East, because it is such and important region for them because of all the oil.

and it's not the fault of religion, because you dont (or less) see these kind of things happen in Islamic countries in other regions in the world, like Eastern Asia and Southern Africa. it's always the Middle-East, because all the fcking oil is there.

and don't forget that the vast majority of the people in the Middle-East is very very unsatisfied with their situation. and dissatisfaction breads extremism (just look at nazi-germany). religion is not as important as you think, believe me. I've been to many of these countries and people are just trying to survive in the midst of all the poverty and the danger. they aren't too occupied with religion. it's just a very very small part of the people that are extremely religious and are willing to do anything to protect their religion. but you only hear about these people in the news/media, because propaganda is still alive bro.

[Swindler]

The religion of peace as spoken, and lol at heroo saying that the religion is not to blame, pull your head out of your ass you retard.

[heroo]

you really think religion is the main source of all these problems? haha, a retard indeed.

i'd say leave your pc screen and go see the world with your own eyes, maybe you'll discover the world doesn't only exist of the sh1t you read on internet and reality is different.

You think Iraq, Lybia, Egypt and all those countries are extremely religious? TROLLOL. you clearly a retard.

[Vaya]

you really think religion is the main source of all these problems? haha, a retard indeed.

i'd say leave your pc screen and go see the world with your own eyes, maybe you'll discover the world doesn't only exist of the sh1t you read on internet and reality is different.

You think Iraq, Lybia, Egypt and all those countries are extremely religious? TROLLOL. you clearly a retard.

Yes, they might miss a prayer, but they'll never laugh if you tell them a joke related to their religion, instead, they'll beat the shit out of you, that applies to any random person you meet in here not just the majority, everyone is raised on those principles.

They're not retards for believing so, it's the truth.

[Swindler]

Main source? Hell yes, as someone said, most MENA countries are ran by a religous government, and it puts a smile on my face when I see the same reaction from you as I see from every muslim when they being questioned. You guys cant tolerate being criticized without your monkey state being unleashed.

oh wait.. Wasn't there a little girl (around 12 years old) who burned some pages from the Quran in a Middle Eastern country who is waiting for her sentence? The worst punishment she could get was a death sentence and the funny part is that she had some sort of illness. I believe it was downs syndrome.

So dont you dare tell me heroo that Islam isnt a fucking problem. It's a cancer on the planet earth that should have been removed a long time ago.

[heroo]

well don't make those jokes over there. do you expect the people of that country to adapt to you? or should you adapt to their culture and values? kind of simple imo.

and even so, the youth in most Islamic countries is becoming less and less influenced by the religious way they were raised. they still care alot about their religion and they still respect it tremendously, but they don't let it dramatically influence the way they live anymore. they are starting to get know the world through internet. they are starting to discover how other young people elsehwere in the world live and how they combine their religion with their personal needs/wishes.

the youth is starting to take religion more lightly, being able to laugh about jokes and able to understand and accept there are views. when I visited Iraq last time, I really felt the youth wanted to leave that devastated country and go out explore the world. their life are not determined by religion and culture only. everyone is studying their asses off so they can get good grades and be able to go study in other countries. they want to see Europe, the U.S. and other parts of the world.

this is a very significant and important change. it will decide the way the Islam will co-exist with other religions and the rest of the world. it's a change i encourage and hope will keep on going.

But alot of people have a wrong idea of the Islam and in religion in general. there are billions of people who are religious but accept all democracy's values and other people's views. this is the vast majority of the religious people. but f4ggots like Swindler and most of the internetsociety are too blind to see that fact because of their enormous hate against religion. it's funny they say religion is intolerant when they can't accept the fact alot of people choose to be religious. I never used to think bad about atheists, but 6 years on SRF have really changed that lol.

anyways, this is an ongoing discussion which will never end. we will have to wait and see how religion develops and what its place will be in society in the future. i'm positive about that and hope in the future everyone will be able to live in peace with each other, regardless of your religion, race or w/e.

I've been following the Dutch elections so far and it's already 1:30 am over here and I have to be up at 6:15 am fml. so i'm out

edit: Swindler, you show your true face haha. you don't know sh1t about this matter, so I'm not even going to waste time on a f4g like you. go fck urself in a dark corner, bra.

[MrJoey]

Certainly is some rage in this topic.

[woutR]

My 2 cents: This shit is getting out of hand. First the invading of the U.S. Embassy is in Cairo Egypt, and now this? Something needs to be done.

I say we bring democracy to them!

[Tasdik]

@ the drop

so killing diplomatic workers is worse then innocent people? atleast diplomatic workers know the risks of their job.

and you made the Middle-East so fcked up, first Britain and now U.S./Israël, so calm your fcking tone about that, because first you exploited every single bit of it and now you are faced with the consequences you suddenly don't want to be there?

The middle-East has always been a mess. Long before America was even involved. So don't put all the blame on us.

The majority of Iraq/Afghanistan support U.S. help? are you farking serious? LOL FCKING WAT indeed. and I love it when someone says the U.S. is helping blabla, because the U.S. only helps itself. their whole foreign policy is based upon increasing their (and their companies) power/influence in the world. they do what they want to and then leave the country in complete chaos. so thanks, but no thanks for that 'help'. and not everyone in Lybia was against Kadaffi, that's exactly the reason behind this attack. the movie was used as an excuse for Kadaffi pro/anti-U.S. people to attack the U.S. embassy.

Any good nation should try to increase their influence/power in the world. That's just how shit works.

and you obviously don't know anything about the Islam. you expect Muslims to be peaceful when you and Israël invade and exploite all Islamic countries? guess what, ain't gonna happen. and they don't idolise Muhammed, but he is the messenger of God, the one that brought our religion to this world. ofcourse he is an important person. and funny fact: you never see anyone mocking Jesus or Mozes in Islamic countries, because they are together with Muhammed the prophets mentioned in the Quran. we respect him and Mozes as much as we do Muhammed, but we see Muhammed as the final prophet sent by God.

Lol at a muslim complaining about Israel invading. Muslim countries have been harassing Israel since day one. And Israel still manages to kick your asses every time. So don't even start.

and just for your information, these kind of things will happen more and more because that is exactly what the U.S. and Israël want. it gives a foundation for their 'War on terror' which actually enables to do what the ever they want in the world.

If muslims didn't do stupid shit like this, we wouldn't really have any reason, now would we?

we don't have leaders haha, because every fcking leader is installed by the U.S. if you're a leader and against the U.S., they just invade your country and remove you by force. just look at Saddam. and they're planning to do the same with Iran now. the U.S. can't afford to have independent governments in the Middle-East, because it is such and important region for them because of all the oil.

Love how you refer to Saddam as being a victim of U.S. bullying. Good lord.

and it's not the fault of religion, because you dont (or less) see these kind of things happen in Islamic countries in other regions in the world, like Eastern Asia and Southern Africa. it's always the Middle-East, because all the fcking oil is there.

And, because the middle-east has been a shit storm of a place since forever.

and don't forget that the vast majority of the people in the Middle-East is very very unsatisfied with their situation. and dissatisfaction breads extremism (just look at nazi-germany).

Then work on your own shit. Person by person, country by country. Running around and defending the blowing up of a diplomatic embassy is not the correct way to proceed.

Certainly is some rage in this topic.

I know. And I love it. Nothing like a heated debate.

And I apologize that I didn't have more time to go into more detailed responses. Gotta go kill a Muslim Ambassador.

[CrimsonNuker]

Certainly is some rage in this topic.

The amount of rage in here is giving me a high.

[Toshiharu]

I skimmed through this thread to see the thoughts on what happened. Instead I get religion wars. I guess it should have been typical before even clicking this thread. I should have just stayed away from SRF forever.

[Gaigemasta]

wtf else did you expect?

this thread is about people dying because of religion

no surprise with that though, it's been happening before we could write

[Toshiharu]

wtf else did you expect?

this thread is about people dying because of religion

no surprise with that though, it's been happening before we could write

I could go on how there is heavy influence from Christianity still present in the west, but nah. There's no point.

I expected something you know.. from grown ups. Instead I basically read "HURR DURR MULSIMS R ALL DA TURRISTS IN DA WURLD. DUR RULGIN SUXS"

[TheDrop]

@Heroo
Theres a difference between murdering (with intention to) people and civilian collateral damage. no, i'm not saying civilian deaths don't matter, ofcourse they do.

Oh please, the middle east would be fcked up regardless. Yes many of the problems were because of american involvement but that was during the Cold war, everyone was into everyones shit. And dont act like they would still be bombing each others asses based on which sect of the religion they belong too..they still do now with all the bitching between Iran/Syria and Saudi arabia/other sunni countries. Even when they both have common hatred at Israel they still bitch at each other..
And becareful with that "you" shit. I personally dont think US should be bothering with shitty middle eastern countries (and i think majority of americans believe that) but again..oil companies and jewish influence in government..

Ofcource the US mainly serves for its own interests (and unfortunately those of oil companies). but based on poll, even though they were against the war, 77% thought it was worth removing Saddam Hussein, 64% thought it was going in the right direction. In Afghanistan 87% supported US's removal of Taliban in 2005, still 67% in 2009. 78% supported US military presence in 2005, 63% in 2009. 90% against taliban. All that shit is in wikipedia with cited sources so go check yourself.

Its really nice that your islamic country doesn't insult other prophets, but doesnt think twice before killing random people that have nothing to do with their irrational anger. In western countries, you have the right to talk shit/criticize about any prophet you want, and the Islamic one should be excluded just cause theres a bunch of retards in an already fcked up region that get riled up. Its fcking stupid that someone has to die everytime someone criticizes Islam/Muhammad. the ironic that they dont get the reason for their criticism.

Yes i agree that US involves itself too much with Israel and the middle east. However that has nothing to do with some Danish guy getting killed for making a movie criticizing treatment of women in Islam, bombing embassies cause of some cartoon, forcing a cartoon to censor itself cause of death threats, killing 30 people cause of some nut thousands of miles away burned a fcking book. etc etc. I cant believe you are trying to defend a bunch of fcks killing random people because apparently they are very sensitive to criticism. And Qadafi and Hussein are saints now? what do you think of Assad, surely a model leader for all Middle eastern countries?

And you know what happens when you mix religion with politics? a theocracy, which most of the middle east is, no wonder its such a shithole.

on a lighter note
http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

Spoiler!

its the the first moderate muslim rally i have seen in aftermath of such retardness, or maybe i have just missed it. props to them.

@Toshiru; Theres a difference between being against abortions and homosexuals to marry and public beatings of women and death for being homosexual..