A bus driver who deliberately knocked a cyclist down

[NuclearSilo]

Nope, you are guessing that I would since the claim is based on nothing.

[inky]

Your sarcasm meter is off.

[BuDo]

@inky: Your "wholistic" assessment of the situation thus far has highlighted the validity of human reaction under duress and this assessment was seemingly used to justify your comment "hipster cyclist deserved what he got"(Might I add this seems like an emotionally driven statement steeped in some kind of vigilante justice).

I however get the impression you seem to halt your rationale when death is on the table (I could be wrong). In accordance with your reasoning, even if the cyclist was killed he'd still deserve it. But I'm not seeing you deliberately saying so. As a matter of fact you seem to shy away from stating so. Wouldn't the death of cyclist comply with your assessment as well? Just curious.

[inky]

I guess we come back to how much violence can we tolerate under certain circumstances. It all depends on what you, as an individual, think can pass off for a fair trade-off. If, for example, the cyclist shot the driver's wife and got on his bike, then I'd say I'm completely fine if the driver ended up killing him. But in this situation, not really. His intention might have been to kill him - we'll never know - but until then, the only thing we can say with certainty is that he at least intended some harm done.

[NuclearSilo]

but until then, the only thing we can say with certainty is that he at least intended some harm done.

Annoy =/= harm.
If you meet anyone that annoys you, you'd have intention to kill him?

[inky]

@Silo: I can imagine an invisible barrier coating your brain. This barrier's job is to deflect all sorts of logic and explanation from ever going through. It prevents any foreign ideas from entering, thus making you see things only from your standpoint - forever unable to view situations from various angles. You keep going back to things that have already been addressed. Also, your assessment of the situation is so poor that one can compare it to the inference abilities of a 3rd grader. You lead a sad life and you're not even aware of it, Silo.

[heroo]

YES inky, we are ALL wrong and you are the only who can think logically. Cut that crap, thinkin you know everything. Evryone who disagrees with you must be emotionally biased or unable to think logically. You spend over 9000 posts stating something then you say something like:

I guess we come back to how much violence can we tolerate under certain circumstances. It all depends on what you, as an individual, think can pass off for a fair trade-off.

Everyone has been saying this to you, but you fail to understand it. This is in no way a fair trade-off. The violence used by the busdriver is in no way in proportion to the actions of the cyclists. If you think it is, you're just plain retarted. So I don't know what the fck you're trying to defend here other then the busdriver was emotionally and that sh1t which we all already know.

I remain with what I said before, you failed from the 1st post you made about this issue, then you tried to defend it with WTF arguements which I can't take seriously from both a legal and a moral point of view. Instead of defending you 1st fail comment, you failed even more with every post you made.

TL;DR: you keep failing bro

[inky]

TL;DR: you keep failing bro

And down goes your credibility....

@heroo: Your inner 13-year-old is showing...unless, you really are one, I'm not so sure.

I never said that you people cannot think logically simply because you disagree with my views. That was and never will be the issue. I did hint that about Silo since the answer to his comment is posted right above him. Failing to apply that idea to argument he presented is beyond me.

To you, it is not a fair trade-off. If you want to know what I think of that, well, you already quoted me. At least I'm honest enough to say that neither party can justify our reasoning with concrete evidence -- only claims based on personal upbringing and morals. We obviously have different ones.

Spoiler!

I think you forgot to take your Ativan. You're starting to sound like one of those TV pricks like Steve Wilkos when they're "angry". All yelling, cursing, and personal jabs but never any real substance. I can only imagine it's how people of subpar intelligence present arguments.

[*BlackFox]

How to calm down in under a minute.. xD

Here's How:

Breathe in through your nose on a slow count of three.
Push your stomach out as you breathe in.
Breathe out through your mouth on a slow count of six.
Repeat two more times.

[heroo]

Haha, like I could ever get in a serious discussion with you about this. I can't even understand we're having a discussion about something so clear. You keep coming with your elucidation about something not even worth of discussing. Something so simple and obvious. Either you're trolling or you just just have another opinion for the sake of having another opinion then the rest of the people. Either way, I can't take you seriously.And Touché for the 13-year old playcard, haven't heard that one for a long time.

my last comment bro, I go do my 13-year old things okay mens?

[NuclearSilo]

@Silo: I can imagine an invisible barrier coating your brain. This barrier's job is to deflect all sorts of logic and explanation from ever going through. It prevents any foreign ideas from entering, thus making you see things only from your standpoint - forever unable to view situations from various angles. You keep going back to things that have already been addressed. Also, your assessment of the situation is so poor that one can compare it to the inference abilities of a 3rd grader. You lead a sad life and you're not even aware of it, Silo.

Foreign ideas? I only blocked shit and gay ideas. Guess from who?

Once again, the cyclist doesn't deserve to be nearly killed. No matter how he annoyed, irritated the bus driver, death is not what he deserves.

Yes, we are living in a logical world : cause => effect. If the cyclist doesn't annoys the driver, then he wouldn't get attacked. But that's not the point. You fail and he doesn't deserve it.

[inky]

@heroo: Likewise. It's hard to take someone who talks like you seriously, but I do offer you some enlightenment in hopes that I might be able to stimulate some form of mental growth in you. However, from the looks of it, my efforts have been futile. You remain ignorant and mentally shallow as ever. I truly pity you.

@Silo: Oh, the irony! You try so hard to defend your rather...unusual qualities (can't think of a better euphemism, at the moment) and "rationale" but in doing so, continue to dig yourself deeper.

I only blocked shit and gay ideas.

Reading your responses, however asinine, is always an entertaining experience. It's like listening to the most dimwitted middle school student talk about matters way beyond his understanding.

[*BlackFox]

The bus driver should have given way. This is a simple fact.

The bus driver used his vehicle as a weapon "knowing full well it could've ended up a lot worse"
Whether the cyclist was right or wrong... that does NOT excuse for the actions of this bus driver!
Seriously.. Bus drivers are supposed to be professional drivers! Right?

The dipstick "should never ever be allowed to drive again"

[inky]

The bus driver initially tried to get ahead of the cyclist. Unfortunately, the cyclist had no intention of parting ways and continued to try blocking his path - that's when things got nasty. One of them definitely had to give way but not necessarily the driver.

It's not as simple when the parties involved are being ruled by aggressive emotions and it's definitely not a "fact" that the driver should have given way. It's a personal opinion, not a fact. Bus drivers will try to be as professional as they can but that doesn't mean that they don't have their limits. This one just happens to have a shorter fuse and a bigger bang. The cyclist just happens to be a self-righteous prick who can't seem to get over himself, even if that means inconveniencing any number of people (he's blocking traffic and public transportation). Sounds like a perfect match to me.

[*BlackFox]

Bus drivers will try to be as professional as they can but that doesn't mean that they don't have their limits.

But the bus driver broke the rule, risking lives of passengers and almost killed a cyclist.
Well.. you know "A bus drivers are also responsible for the safety and comfort of their passengers"

[Lempi]

That happened in the city I live in.

[MrTwilliger]

Why is this thread still going? All I can read are some personal insults mixed in with the same arguments being repeated over and over. Threads like this is what makes me stop visiting SRF. Seriously guys, we can do better than this.

[omier]

Yea, ppl shouldn't argue over each other's wievs and opinions. Calm down.

[inky]

I concur. It's been fun.

[TheDrop]

This is basically a flame thread with ppl insulting back and forth, while using elevated diction (see what i did thar)

[Strwarrior]

This is basically a flame thread with ppl insulting back and forth, while using elevated diction (see what i did thar)

Changing name, it sucks.