Solutions to the bot crisis?

[penfold1992]

most bots do not know how to situationally pvp... its just a fact. if you dont believe that then explain how avalon held the guild even after botters were out leveling them.

just because you dont like legits doesnt mean you have to show off in a legit forum about how great your bot guild is.

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[PokeMyPickle]

I think I officially have a new hobby:

1. Start up random thread
2. Lol at people constantly freaking out at me because I started a thread (to which they have about 10x more posts in than myself)

SO!
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No, I don't bot. That's in response to "Everyone who complains about botting is a bot". I don't bot, and I can prove it!!!!

..... I lost my crew, they all went to a private server, so I quit and started playing another game. I didn't continue using the whole "last resort" excuse so many botters use. No. I didn't want to play the game, so I stopped. Like, entirely. Not like a crack addict saying he quit crack, but just... hangs out with other crack addicts and tries to get some second hand.

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I'm not really pulling any real quotes, except for this one. "And they try to stop botting and gold farming at ever turn.....If they didn't they would be losing millions of dollars to black market dealings..."

So, even though your ENTIRE FIGHT has been about how Joymax makes WAAAAAAAAAY more money from people botting than if nobody botted, you claim Blizzard is in the exact OPPOSITE situation? Logic fail much? Understand that people obtain marketing expertise from their competitors. If Silkroad was competing with WoW (which, let's face it, everybody is competing with WoW) then they would follow suit in their marketing strategies. The whole, "Joymax doesn't ban bots" thing? That's a load of BS. Ever since WeMade took over - actually, go log into SRO.... I'll wait. ... Wait you're already in? OMG! That's amazing! Because, before that, I used to have to wait upwards to 10 hours to get into a server. No, literally. 10 hours. You CAN'T tell me they didn't do something about botting with a straight face, alright?

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Ohhh and that whole thing I've seen so many times, "Why bother with this thread???? OMG it so useless!"

Actually, I KNOW it's useless!!! "JM/WM will never read these, but maybe a player will get interested and mention it to a GM in game. "

Wait, you mean in the very first line of the thread I openly said "Maybe joymax will never read these".... and you think I didn't know that... joymax would never read these? Damn guys. I know tl;dr exists for a reason. But that's LINE 1.

This wasn't meant to be a "Quick, get the GM's to come in and read this!!!!" thread, it was a "I'm sick of all the SRF threads being 'guhhhh too many bots' or 'stop complaining about bots' or 'insert really off the wall pointless question that could have been solved by pushing h in game here'." .. thread. That's right! A thread on a forum that is about... wait... THE TITLE! That's right, this was an EVIL PLOY to get people talking about things that WEREN'T just empty complaints! But alas, I see you are all idiots, and have failed me.

Son, I am disappoint.

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Well anyways, I think this thread was the coffin nail I needed to officially kick me off of SRF for good. I mean, I always tried to stay away from posting because I knew that if I said I wasn't a bot, I'd be called a bot. Because apparently, on these "legit" forums, according to every "legit" everyone other than themselves is a bot.

I swear, you guys are worse than religious people. "I am right, everyone else is wrong." and you're only saying that because in the back of your head, you know YOU'RE wrong, and want to justify it by saying everyone else is, too. So that you aren't alone.


Well good news guys, you aren't alone. Because 99.9999999% of people on here (see, I can make completely non-scientific and absent of research statistics too!!) are doing exactly what you are.

So maybe, just maybe, if you want to sit around calling everybody on this forum a bot, and THEN claim this is a legit forum - stop and think about it for a second.

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[BladeMaster]

<<Warned. Either way back up your accusations or keep your peace. - Ru>>

[penfold1992]

1. prove I bot.
2. how do you even know my level was too low? ive been around since the 60 cap.
3. using the word coitus instead of sex... enough said.

ive never used a 3rd party program. umad?

[BladeMaster]

not at all lol i never took a video because i dont realy care and im pretty sure u prob quit sror so theres no way i could prove it >_> lol i dont care tho as long as u know that someone knows thats enough for me.. hmm whats ur highest level cuz i was using those numbers as examples. simple fact is a 105 can still 1 hit a 90 if thats where ur lvl is.

[1337]

durkadurka

just get the **** out

[BladeMaster]

lol when ever someone keeps it real they get jumped on. i like these forums

[Kronos]

not at all lol i never took a video because i dont realy care and im pretty sure u prob quit sror so theres no way i could prove it >_> lol i dont care tho as long as u know that someone knows thats enough for me.. hmm whats ur highest level cuz i was using those numbers as examples. simple fact is a 105 can still 1 hit a 90 if thats where ur lvl is.

Ehm sry, that's just not right. With Lv.9X and mastery on 86 i tanked several lv.101+ people. The whole secret is just that you need to know how to play your character and how to play together in a team. We literally cleaned the floor on Lv.101+ botters with a mainly lv.9X pt. Not just once, almost every day during BA (with some exceptions).

Fact is a Lv.9X character, can do a lot against lv.101+ people, believe it or not.

[penfold1992]

not at all lol i never took a video because i dont realy care and im pretty sure u prob quit sror so theres no way i could prove it >_> lol i dont care tho as long as u know that someone knows thats enough for me.. hmm whats ur highest level cuz i was using those numbers as examples. simple fact is a 105 can still 1 hit a 90 if thats where ur lvl is.

what class was i on sror? where did i grind? and who "saw me botting"
what guild am i in?

you have no proof that i have ever botted.

im problem one of the few on this forum that have never botted or used any 3rd party program.

dont get mad that youre wrong, its expected to be wrong if you dont how legit i am.

[Brak]

>Gone for 2 years from this game and this forum.
>Randomly decide to come back today due to hearing news of SRO-R.
>Find the same threads being re-posted since 2007.


I have to say, that's some dedication. Especially you, Penfold. I remember you very well from way back when, even if you might not remember me.

Point is, this game has long since been dead and all you guys are doing is beating a dead horse. I checked out SRO-R myself, and found almost the exact same thing that killed iSRO, just with a few UI changes, no gold drops, and free Seal of Star gear at every other, other, other level.

You still have the community made up of ignorant 12 year old Turkish and Egyptian people, who's sole purpose in life is to drive down your IQ and put you in a state of rage. And this community here on Silkroad forums is almost nowhere to be found ingame, as it has been since the days of Avalon in the Venus server.

Silkroad-R at its core is basically a few half-assed UI changes. Is that what honestly appeases what's left of the Silkroad playerbase? A few UI changes and more quests, to which I should also mention are basically the same swill that Joymax has been feeding us since the very beginning?

"Kill X amount of mobs for me and report back to me in a camp situated in the middle of nowhere."

"Or kill an infinite amount of mobs to get X amount of drops with a horrible drop rate and then find me in a camp situated in the middle of nowhere, so I can send you out there again to do the same thing 100 more times."

I log in and almost instantly see globals from random kids saying, "GM Y U TAKE AWAY MY AVATAR AND BOT?! OKAY I AFK TURNING ON BOT KTHXBAI" -- yet this game is supposed to have that problem fixed?

TL;DR, it baffles me to know that the same people from years ago are still on the same forum complaining about the same things. It's 2012, there are better MMO's already out or on their way to being released. I think it might be time to move on.

[BuDo]

I don't know what some people in this thread are smoking....This game isn't an overly complex game in terms of PVPing...This isn't a real time strategy that requires a lot of forward thinking and such..... This game is simple in its nature...its a game based on numbers and luck....We don't control when crits happen...or when block happens...and the person with the better gear wins 8-9/10 times....A 24/7 botter who is much higher leveled than you (due to constant botting) will beat you in most cases in a 1v1 situation..and in a 10v10 or 50v50...


I see one person here saying his 90x party owns lvls 101+....very convenient to leave out that it was probably a buffed party of lvl 90x ganging up on 1 or 2 lvl 101+ players per attack.... Some of you seriously can't be arguing that botters who are higher lvled don't know how to play or pvp properly...because no one really needs to "know" pvping "properly" when the game is so heavily dependent on gear and level. It really doesn't matter whether the guy that is 10+ lvls higher than you is a botter or legit....that never supersede the fact that he's simply higher..

The argument that botters are generally less savy or less good at PVPing because they don't know the game is a retarded argument because all botters hit the pause button on their bots regularly so they can have fun PVPing...You guys seem to think they have their bots running 24/7 365 without ever trying to enjoy the game.

[Kronos]

I don't know what some people in this thread are smoking....This game isn't an overly complex game in terms of PVPing...This isn't a real time strategy that requires a lot of forward thinking and such..... This game is simple in its nature...its a game based on numbers and luck....We don't control when crits happen...or when block happens...and the person with the better gear wins 8-9/10 times....A 24/7 botter who is much higher leveled than you (due to constant botting) will beat you in most cases in a 1v1 situation..and in a 10v10 or 50v50...


I see one person here saying his 90x party owns lvls 101+....very convenient to leave out that it was probably a buffed party of lvl 90x ganging up on 1 or 2 lvl 101+ players per attack.... Some of you seriously can't be arguing that botters who are higher lvled don't know how to play or pvp properly...because no one really needs to "know" pvping "properly" when the game is so heavily dependent on gear and level. It really doesn't matter whether the guy that is 10+ lvls higher than you is a botter or legit....that never supersede the fact that he's simply higher..

The argument that botters are generally less savy or less good at PVPing because they don't know the game is a retarded argument because all botters hit the pause button on their bots regularly so they can have fun PVPing...You guys seem to think they have their bots running 24/7 365 without ever trying to enjoy the game.

Dude, read again. I said we cleaned the floor on them in almost every BA. BA is usually one 8/8 pt against another. Our pt only had 2 Lv.10X, the rest were Lv.9X with huge gaps (i had gap 9 for example). Also many of our opponents had d12 weapons/sets. They still couldn't beat Lv.9X people in mainly 9D armor in a fair fight 8 vs. 8. Of course we used our buffs, but so did the opponent team. You weren't there, so you don't know what was going on. Also, even when we were outnumbered or outleveled it wasn't really a big problem to beat up the botters, for example in Fortress War. We defended the bandit fort against a whole attacking union 2-3 times in a row with a semi-active guild, which basically means 1-1.5 pts. Anyway i know it's true and i don't have to proof you anything.

[BuDo]

You are right...you conveniently don't have to prove anything thus it remains irrelevant to the argument you're trying to make...Because you simply say it is so doesn't mean it was. And I myself have been into BA enough to know that just because it may usually be 8v8 doesn't mean that when a fight goes down those are the actual numbers present at the time of the fight.

[Brak]

I wasn't aware that situational PVP existed in Silkroad in the first place. I was under the impression that it was about RNG and who has better gear...

I don't see people stun-locking their targets to death, or CCing enemy tanks, or using defensive cooldowns to escape bad situations, or having their Cleric constantly dispelling and focus-healing a target so they can nuke the other team to oblivion...

In fact, there is no such thing as using cooldowns at appropriate times, because everything has a 3~10 second cooldown, so there is no concept of timing when to use the right skills at the right time.

[_Dutchy_]

I wasn't aware that situational PVP existed in Silkroad in the first place. I was under the impression that it was about RNG and who has better gear...

I don't see people stun-locking their targets to death, or CCing enemy tanks, or using defensive cooldowns to escape bad situations, or having their Cleric constantly dispelling and focus-healing a target so they can nuke the other team to oblivion...

In fact, there is no such thing as using cooldowns at appropriate times, because everything has a 3~10 second cooldown, so there is no concept of timing when to use the right skills at the right time.

You must have Quited at around 90 cap or a little earlier because you obevously haven´t seen a Fortress war at 100 or 110 cap or even a BA

[Brak]

I stopped playing around the start of 110 cap in iSRO. I had just finally finished hitting 100 full farmed and then they upped the level cap again... which drove me to quit.

[JuelzSantana]

i did see a kid named penfold in sro_r to be honest though.. i mean im not sure what penfold means so unless its like something extremely popular that i have no idea about then im pretty sure that was u. did i see him bot? i wont go that far cuz i never actually saw the kid, just saw screenshots of him pming people in my union like a mad man lol

[penfold1992]

i did see a kid named penfold in sro_r to be honest though.. i mean im not sure what penfold means so unless its like something extremely popular that i have no idea about then im pretty sure that was u. did i see him bot? i wont go that far cuz i never actually saw the kid, just saw screenshots of him pming people in my union like a mad man lol

must have caught me on a good day! i only played there for 3 days and i cant remember pm spamming anyone, not that i wouldnt pm spam people though....

anyway, post the screen shots so we can all have a laugh!

EDIT: btw penfold is a little hamster from the series Dangermouse. its also quite a common last name though

[Europe]

LOL WOW, are people still going over this shit?

[BladeMaster]

Budo i love u, as for penfold i already got warned so im not gonna go in on u cuz it seems u have friends on this forum >_> yet when u accuse me nothing happens. fun times

[Kronos]

Budo i love u, as for penfold i already got warned so im not gonna go in on u cuz it seems u have friends on this forum >_> yet when u accuse me nothing happens. fun times

Where did he do that? I can't find it.

You are right...you conveniently don't have to prove anything thus it remains irrelevant to the argument you're trying to make...Because you simply say it is so doesn't mean it was. And I myself have been into BA enough to know that just because it may usually be 8v8 doesn't mean that when a fight goes down those are the actual numbers present at the time of the fight.

Ye, correct. Actually if i remember it correctly, we usually had 1 afk bard (sometimes even 2 afk bards) in mid 70's and also 1 of our warriors (also 1 of our 2 Lv.101+ people) was permanently afk (logged on a 2nd computer of a pt member) and didn't participate actively in the fight except for buffing. So if you put it like this, we are down to 3-4 Lv.9X people and 1 Lv.101+ wizard, who were actively participating in the match on our side. We still won by far more than 95% of the matches and in the remaining cases it used to be a close call. Even if i wanted to prove it, i couldn't do it, as we (my team) are not playing together anymore and i didn't make videos during BA back then. I don't have many screenshots and i doubt they would be proof enough for you anyway. Also even if i can't prove it, i don't really care. I had a lot fun beating those Lv.101+ botters with our underfarmed Lv.9X characters, while it lasted.

Also we took the bandit fort several times with just 1 party. We were heavily outnumbered and/or outleveled in most cases. If you know, how to it, level and number differences won't really matter that much to you. With high quality pt members and teamwork you can easily overcompensate disadvantages due to level or numbers until a certain extent. I especially remember 1 fortress war, where we defended our fort with just 1-1.5 parties against a union, that outnumbered and (at least partially) outleveled us. They still couldn't break through our defences fast enough.

But when i look at the topic of this thread, it seems we kinda went off topic here. So i suggest for further discussions we should go back to discussing the topic. This discussion here won't get us anywhere anyway, as nobody can back up his arguments.

[BladeMaster]

most bots do not know how to situationally pvp... its just a fact. if you dont believe that then explain how avalon held the guild even after botters were out leveling them.

just because you dont like legits doesnt mean you have to show off in a legit forum about how great your bot guild is.

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lol apparently i dont like my self >_>

[BladeMaster]

btw kronos it seems to me like ur guild just went into a match, point in case how do you even know they were botters. i feel like the people on this forum are quick to point the finger at anyone who is a higher level than them just because majority of the game bots. not saying they were or were not botters but how do u know. for all u know u could of went in a game and vsed 101+ legits who suck. seriously though level outclasses gear and skill all the time. point being u guys had a 101+ wizard so im thinking to myself how many of those kills were kills and not wizard ks. just saying....

side note ur whole pt is 9x and 10x right to put it simply if a 11x wizard fully geared came in it doesnt matter if he botted or not once he gets an aoe off ur pt is gone end of story... no matter how u deny it or what u say u know me and budo are right. its cool to have pride in being legit. i take pride in what i do also. but with that said im a realist and it seems u guys have ur heads in clouds.

[Kronos]

btw kronos it seems to me like ur guild just went into a match, point in case how do you even know they were botters. i feel like the people on this forum are quick to point the finger at anyone who is a higher level than them just because majority of the game bots. not saying they were or were not botters but how do u know. for all u know u could of went in a game and vsed 101+ legits who suck.

We know that they were botters, because we have seen them botting and they actually didn't try to make a secret out of it. It was obvious, that they were botters, anyone would have noticed that.

seriously though level outclasses gear and skill all the time. point being u guys had a 101+ wizard so im thinking to myself how many of those kills were kills and not wizard ks. just saying....

What do you mean with that? Does it matter in BA, who kills the opponent? In fact in most of the matches i probably didn't get a single kill on my own due to being either warrior or cleric. My job in the pt was not the killing part, we had 2-3 Lv.90+ wizards with SOM +7 staffs (from FGW) for that. Of course the wizards in your pt will get the most kills, that's just normal.

side note ur whole pt is 9x and 10x right to put it simply if a 11x wizard fully geared came in it doesnt matter if he botted or not once he gets an aoe off ur pt is gone end of story... no matter how u deny it or what u say u know me and budo are right. its cool to have pride in being legit. i take pride in what i do also. but with that said im a realist and it seems u guys have ur heads in clouds.

Our whole pt was Lv.9X and 10X several months ago. That was before the alchemy event, where everyone could just pimp their D12 equipment on +12 easily. It was also at the time, when there were almost no Lv.110+ people on our server and that ones, who were, obviously didn't bother going BA. Not sure, how it would look like now, but if the level and equipment difference is too big, we might not stand a chance. But there would still be a chance, that we would face a team with almost the same or only slightly higher levels in BA. My point wasn't that you can beat any opponent with good teamwork. I never said something like that. My point was just that you can compensate differences in level, equipment and numbers with teamwork, at least until a certain extent. Of course it won't help, if the difference is too big, but compensating a 10 lv. difference (average) between you and your opponent is possible.

[penfold1992]

most bots do not know how to situationally pvp... its just a fact. if you dont believe that then explain how avalon held the guild even after botters were out leveling them.

just because you dont like legits doesnt mean you have to show off in a legit forum about how great [color=#4000FF]your bot guild is[/color].

ps. youtube video works now for people who are scared of links

lol apparently i dont like my self >_>

[BladeMaster]

my guild doesnt bot the same way ur boy dutchy and his guild hand grinded to 10x, we grinded to 70 in a month of hard work in an 8/8 chn pt doing quest. so when u accuse my guild u accuse me. which i dont take kindly to

[penfold1992]

i will write a cheque for $1000 for anyone that can prove that i am a botter. im sure dutchy will triple this amount too.

[Brak]

i will write a cheque for $1000 for anyone that can prove that i am a botter. im sure dutchy will triple this amount too.

This is totally Penfold botting.

s('.^)V

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I believe you owe me $1000 USD. I'll take a Western Union money transfer.

[Fortune]

Lol at Penfold, no one gives a fck whether u bot or not.
Its not like people are still playing iSRO actively, same counts for SRO-R, only a small community is still playing like 20%, 5% is new players, the rest is botting.

No one cares about this game anymore, the company cares even less about this game rofl.
There is no solution, face it, with a company like there never will be.

[BladeMaster]

lol penfold i defend myself and said nothing extra about u, i even said i was done talking about u. then u try and defend ur self out of nowhere. guilty conscience? ^_^