Ramadan 2011

[the.unseen.]

Man, I should carry food around with me, so that if I see any somalians, I can eat in front of them. (They're all muslims around here, and just about the only ones too.)

So what will u achive with doing this?One somalian kick ur ass may be

So I guess purity of mind doesn't include violence then? And what country are you from (in reference to the post you posted before this)?

[the.unseen.]

Man, I should carry food around with me, so that if I see any somalians, I can eat in front of them. (They're all muslims around here, and just about the only ones too.)

So what will u achive with doing this?One somalian kick ur ass may be

So I guess purity of mind doesn't include violence then? And what country are you from (in reference to the post you posted before this)?

[Toshiharu]

Man, I should carry food around with me, so that if I see any somalians, I can eat in front of them. (They're all muslims around here, and just about the only ones too.)

Not like that matters. Growing up in a public school I had to go to the lunch room and you know what every did? Yeah. High school? Yeah. I would have expected people to grow up by then, but guess not.

[Midori]

Spoiler!

And I'm not very religious. Think of me as a typical "American Christian" but in Muslim form.

Spoiler!

So you don't go to church and only pray when it's convenient to you? That's cool, i guess.

[rumblemilitia]

Man, I should carry food around with me, so that if I see any somalians, I can eat in front of them. (They're all muslims around here, and just about the only ones too.)

So what will u achive with doing this?One somalian kick ur ass may be

So I guess purity of mind doesn't include violence then? And what country are you from (in reference to the post you posted before this)?

I m jokking offcourse.Fasting means that enduring hunger.So if you eat infront of a muslim it doesnt matter.

I m not a religioust person.There are a lot of unexplained things about religion but I believe religion is exist due to protect society rules.Unfortunately someone or something who created them didnt count religion fights.I m from Turkey btw.

[Toshiharu]

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So you don't go to church and only pray when it's convenient to you? That's cool, i guess.

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply.

[heroo]

It's f*cked that I can't fast the first three days due to medication, but I'll make up for them.

Ya man sounds like it

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[Skyve]

For the ones wondering, from what I've heard Ramadan is a way to "simulate" in some way how poor people live. Yes yes I know, it's probably nothing like how they actually live because they don't get a meal at the end of the day, but the intention is there.

I could honestly wreck this no problem if we could drink water. The only thing I wanted to do today at work was to drink water.

I always go "Oh shit" when Ramadan is near but deep down I kind of like the challenge.

[Amarisa]

For the ones wondering, from what I've heard Ramadan is a way to "simulate" in some way how poor people live. Yes yes I know, it's probably nothing like how they actually live because they don't get a meal at the end of the day, but the intention is there.

Not so much. It's about patience, spirituality, humility and submissiveness to God.

"The evenings are spent enjoying family and community meals, engaging in prayer and spiritual reflection, and reading from the Qu'ran."

"During the blessed month of Ramadan, Muslims all over the world abstain from food, drink, and other physical needs during the daylight hours. As a time to purify the soul, refocus attention on God, and practice self-sacrifice, Ramadan is much more than just not eating and drinking."

Spoiler!

http://islam.about.com/od/ramadan/f/ramadanintro.htm

[rumblemilitia]

Only one thing u misunderstood is sex thing.Husband-wife may have a sex at night until fasting time begins.

-If you r ill or u r in a journey so u dont have to do fasting.
-After ramadan all muslims should pay money to poor ppl.
-After ramadan 3 days holiday.Little kids knocking doors and asking sugars, chocolate just like halloween.

[Amarisa]

Only one thing u misunderstood is sex thing.Husband-wife may have a sex at night until fasting time begins.

-If you r ill or u r in a journey so u dont have to do fasting.
-After ramadan all muslims should pay money to poor ppl.
-After ramadan 3 days holiday.Little kids knocking doors and asking sugars, chocolate just like halloween.

so it's basically telling you to be nice to the not so fortunate.

This is a serious question. Am I the only one who likes to be nice because I want to and not because I am told to. Like if someone asks me to do something nice to someone I am like "I don't wanna D:" but if someone doesn't tell me to do that exact same thing I would do it.

[Mirosuke]

Well, you gonna see the aftereffects of that challenge

[rumblemilitia]

Only one thing u misunderstood is sex thing.Husband-wife may have a sex at night until fasting time begins.

-If you r ill or u r in a journey so u dont have to do fasting.
-After ramadan all muslims should pay money to poor ppl.
-After ramadan 3 days holiday.Little kids knocking doors and asking sugars, chocolate just like halloween.

so it's basically telling you to be nice to the not so fortunate.

This is a serious question. Am I the only one who likes to be nice because I want to and not because I am told to. Like if someone asks me to do something nice to someone I am like "I don't wanna D:" but if someone doesn't tell me to do that exact same thing I would do it.

I dont know man cuz i believe all religion thing is a fiction.I was just sharing a culture,as this topic,telling how is ramadan thing thats it.

[Mirosuke]

Only one thing u misunderstood is sex thing.Husband-wife may have a sex at night until fasting time begins.

-If you r ill or u r in a journey so u dont have to do fasting.
-After ramadan all muslims should pay money to poor ppl.
-After ramadan 3 days holiday.Little kids knocking doors and asking sugars, chocolate just like halloween.

so it's basically telling you to be nice to the not so fortunate.

This is a serious question. Am I the only one who likes to be nice because I want to and not because I am told to. Like if someone asks me to do something nice to someone I am like "I don't wanna D:" but if someone doesn't tell me to do that exact same thing I would do it.

You don't have to wait any 'rite' like this to be 'good'.
There are not excuses. Feel free to help the poor.

[the.unseen.]

For the ones wondering, from what I've heard Ramadan is a way to "simulate" in some way how poor people live. Yes yes I know, it's probably nothing like how they actually live because they don't get a meal at the end of the day, but the intention is there.

Not so much. It's about patience, spirituality, humility and submissiveness to God.

"The evenings are spent enjoying family and community meals, engaging in prayer and spiritual reflection, and reading from the Qu'ran."

"During the blessed month of Ramadan, Muslims all over the world abstain from food, drink, and other physical needs during the daylight hours. As a time to purify the soul, refocus attention on God, and practice self-sacrifice, Ramadan is much more than just not eating and drinking."

Spoiler!

http://islam.about.com/od/ramadan/f/ramadanintro.htm

<<If you can't say something in a decent manner, then don't say anything at all. - Ru>>

[Amarisa]

It's a well known fact that you only start fasting when you reach puberty. Don't give me this "kids are forced to do it" bullshit. If there really is cases like this, then those are rare. Oh and I didn't get a word from that Jain thing.

This just had to become another religion thread.

Well it does kinda have to deal with religion.

[Skyve]

It's a well known fact that you only start fasting when you reach puberty. Don't give me this "kids are forced to do it" bullshit. If there really is cases like this, then those are rare. Oh and I didn't get a word from that Jain thing.

This just had to become another religion thread.

Well it does kinda have to deal with religion.

Fair enough, but this was just a thread to wish each other luck I guess. We don't discuss the basics and reasoning when there's a Christmas thread.

[The Invisible]

For the ones wondering, from what I've heard Ramadan is a way to "simulate" in some way how poor people live. Yes yes I know, it's probably nothing like how they actually live because they don't get a meal at the end of the day, but the intention is there.

Not so much. It's about patience, spirituality, humility and submissiveness to God.

"The evenings are spent enjoying family and community meals, engaging in prayer and spiritual reflection, and reading from the Qu'ran."

"During the blessed month of Ramadan, Muslims all over the world abstain from food, drink, and other physical needs during the daylight hours. As a time to purify the soul, refocus attention on God, and practice self-sacrifice, Ramadan is much more than just not eating and drinking."

Spoiler!

http://islam.about.com/od/ramadan/f/ramadanintro.htm

<<If you can't say something in a decent manner, then don't say anything at all. - Ru>>

Wait here a second , don't talk about what you don't know , nobody forces young children to fast , The first year i fasted i did it with my own will , My parents wanted me to wait a year or two more , i wasn't forced and it wasn't painful at all .

Been fasting since 1st grade , i am now entering 10th , so what's your point here ?



Oh and people seem more active here in ramadan than in other months .

[rumblemilitia]

Ur absolutely right.Pushing is forbiden in islam but islam religion was misinterpreted by stupid radical islamist groups.For example they r yelling jihad jihad.Jihad means to protect islam against evil things.Muhammed and his ppl protected Kur'an against idolatrous ppl and this was jihad.

One thing is true that u cant choose ur religion.If ur family is christian so u become a christian.If ur family worshiphing monkey so u have to do.Radical islamist,christian,seminists shitting this word that is why i hate religion thing.Somethimes i think humanity is the worst thing for the world and total annihilation is needed for the sake of this planet

[Midori]

If ur family is christian so u become a christian.If ur family worshiphing monkey so u have to do.

Not true. Just because your parents worship something doesn't mean you'll end up worshiping it. Your not ALWAYS forced to become something your not.

[Tasdik]

If ur family is christian so u become a christian.If ur family worshiphing monkey so u have to do.

Not true. Just because your parents worship something doesn't mean you'll end up worshiping it. Your not ALWAYS forced to become something your not.

Speaking of which, I have this bi-sexual co-worker, she has a son, but is currently in a "relationship" with another girl. Last night, she was like, "My son's totally going to be gay, bi, or at least try being either of those once or twice".

Her son is 5. GG.

And wait, does this mean no SRO for turks for a month?

[marijnz0r]

The two major religions in our society are based on books which were written 1500 to 2000 years ago. Why would you even bother believing in something that was written so long ago, and probably doesn't exist?
Even if there would be something like a god or allah or what you want to call it, why would you torture yourself? To show you are a good muslim or christian? The way you show yourself good to the rest of the world, is behaving responsibly. Be good to everyone next to you and the environment.
I can tell you I'm an atheist and still have the same ethics as are described in the bible/torah/quran, but I don't need a religion.

On topic: You will still be the same good person if you don't fast and just live like you do normally. Or do you think your sins will be forgiven if you torture yourself for one month?

[the.unseen.]

Wait here a second , don't talk about what you don't know , nobody forces young children to fast , The first year i fasted i did it with my own will , My parents wanted me to wait a year or two more , i wasn't forced and it wasn't painful at all .

Been fasting since 1st grade , i am now entering 10th , so what's your point here ?

Oh and people seem more active here in ramadan than in other months .

I can guarantee you that children in ultra religious areas are probably forced into fasting, and while that doesn't mean it represents a majority of the people who practice the religion I can tell you that a bunch of ultra religious people are distorting these rules and are imposing it on their children that they must fast. As well not to be an ass but I think more then so kids who are of age to fast probably really don't want to fast, but know there will be serve consequences to them so they are forced to fast and please don't tell me this isn't the case because we all know how important honour is to muslims (As with other religions) who take religion to the extreme.

[inky]

The Real problem is the fact that children who don't even know anything about their religion and had no choice since they were both into a Muslim family will have to painfully go a month fasting when they in reality should not be doing so but are sadly forced.

By the way, this who thing sounds like become a Jain for one month and then go back to normal holiday. If they want to live like that all year round just become a Jain, they are probably the most peaceful Religion in the world Unlike others.

Spoiler!

Although I have to agree with you that, yes, in most cases, children who are born into a Muslim/Christian/Jewish family will most likely end up following their parents' religion, they can still break away at some point later on, under the right circumstances. This is despite the claim that they are "allowed" (see punishment for apostasy) to choose a religion later in life, they were still somewhat indoctrinated to believe in the word of their parents since they were the child's primary role models. But then there's the issue of having the right to teach what you want to your own offspring, which defaults to the right of the parents to advertise their own beliefs to their kids.

Then again, you can't say that this is the case for everyone. I was born in a Catholic family, in a Catholic community, and went to a Catholic school for about 10 years. Became an altar boy, a liturgical member (Bible reader at the mass), and even a choir boy (lol). In the end, when I began looking elsewhere for facts, evidence, scientific knowledge and rationale, I gradually decided to shed off my old religion. My family did not take it too lightly in the beginning, of course, but they eventually developed an acceptance of the fact.

As far as following religious text to a T - there's a huge difference between fundamentalism and just labeling yourself as a member of a religious sect; chances are, most people in your life are not fundamentalists. This is because secular rationalization has been going on for hundreds of years which kind of makes people think twice about stoning a whore to death on the streets or stabbing another person for being an atheist.

Anyway, I'm a bit apathetic to what people around me believe since that is their right. As long as they're not exactly pushing their beliefs on me or strapping on a bomb, I'm alright with whatever they want to do with their own body. Just as I believe that their religious practices are irrational, they probably believe (not admittedly for some) that my actions and disbelief will damn me to hell.

[rumblemilitia]

May be a few days i ll be fasting this year because according to doctors fasting in a year is extremely healthy for human body but u shouldnt eat much after fasting.

[penfold1992]

last year there was floods in Pakistan and western Europe and north america put a large amount of money into getting helicopters to drop food supplies into camps where these people needed help.

helicopters couldnt fly at night due to not being able to clearly identify groups of people between wreckage and flames so only flew in the day time...

now i am not religious at all but the moment religion causes people dieing of hunger and malnutrition to not eat is the moment i stopped supporting aid foundations.

some things that were provided were diseased by night time due to a few factors:
heat (causing bacteria to thrive on food and water products)
waterborne diseases (remember... floods = water lol)
hygiene (people had no homes.. how could they shower or wash)
no storage (ahh some berries! lets just cool them off in the refrigerator.. crap..)

[TheDrop]

<<If you can't say something in a decent manner, then don't say anything at all. - Ru>>

Spoiler!

It seems you are very ignorant and close minded. "submitting yourself to God" means believing in god and being taken under god's wings/care. What you also dont know (and are just spouting bullshit about) is that children dont do ramadan, till they are like in 5th/6th grade, and after that they WANT to do it, cause they feel its tradition and culture (also cause they have a huge feast at night). You dont understand, you havent been around muslims, you read some bullshit on some ultra religion-hate site, you think its facts, oh wait, that sounds like your own classification of "religious peoples". Please go out into the world and society and actually get to know some people, before categorizing them first hand because of some bullshit you read on the internet while sitting at your computer all day.
Oh yea, good job in derailing another thread about tradition with your religion hating bullshit. I wonder, does it happen to every year on the Christmas threads, or is it only Ramadan. Lols

@marijnz0r; you dont torture yourself . Its not about believing all the stories, its more about tradition and customs. You are naturally a good person, good for you. If living religious lifestyle helps other live as good people, whys that bad?

[Amarisa]

It's a well known fact that you only start fasting when you reach puberty. Don't give me this "kids are forced to do it" bullshit. If there really is cases like this, then those are rare. Oh and I didn't get a word from that Jain thing.

This just had to become another religion thread.

Well it does kinda have to deal with religion.

Fair enough, but this was just a thread to wish each other luck I guess. We don't discuss the basics and reasoning when there's a Christmas thread.

I think the reason why it does not happen in a christmas thread is because it is not an odd ball thing. Many religions have something simular maybe not the same day. Because it's an odd ball it's going to get questions because it's not fully understood.

[the.unseen.]

The submissiveness to "God" to me is just an out right stupid thing. It's like god's my bitch and I can't speak wrong or have any ideas which question the words of god.

The Real problem is the fact that children who don't even know anything about their religion and had no choice since they were both into a Muslim family will have to painfully go a month fasting when they in reality should not be doing so but are sadly forced.

By the way, this who thing sounds like become a Jain for one month and then go back to normal holiday. If they want to live like that all year round just become a Jain, they are probably the most peaceful Religion in the world Unlike others.

Spoiler!

It seems you are very ignorant and close minded. "submitting yourself to God" means believing in god and being taken under god's wings/care. What you also dont know (and are just spouting bullshit about) is that children dont do ramadan, till they are like in 5th/6th grade, and after that they WANT to do it, cause they feel its tradition and culture (also cause they have a huge feast at night). You dont understand, you havent been around muslims, you read some bullshit on some ultra religion-hate site, you think its facts, oh wait, that sounds like your own classification of "religious peoples". Please go out into the world and society and actually get to know some people, before categorizing them first hand because of some bullshit you read on the internet while sitting at your computer all day.
Oh yea, good job in derailing another thread about tradition with your religion hating bullshit. I wonder, does it happen to every year on the Christmas threads, or is it only Ramadan. Lols

@marijnz0r; you dont torture yourself . Its not about believing all the stories, its more about tradition and customs. You are naturally a good person, good for you. If living religious lifestyle helps other live as good people, whys that bad?

So you believe grade 5 and 6 children have the knowledge to know about religion and able to critical think on issues like religion which have been forced upon them? Give me a Farking break, most kids at grade 5 believe the boggy man and the Easter bunny are real. Now somewhere along the lines of 15 is reasonable, but don't give me this shit that a grade 5 or 6 can come to an objective understanding of a religion. They also feel the need to do it so they don't become ostracized from their family and the people closed to them. And don't tell it it's being taken under the care of god... If that is so why are there millions of people right now in the horn of Africa (many of whom are Muslim) suffering from the worst drought in recent times? But you know what would be a great idea I personally think which anyone fasting should think about would be donating the money saved up which would be spent on food, which isn't due to fasting so you can help the poor and suffering from the drought.

By the way I find it funny the guy who believes Amy Winehouse is more important then a doctors who save peoples lives, calling me a hypocrite for some odd reason for say I idolize doctors who help the poor more then I idolize Amy Winehouse... What kind of narcissistic piece of shit would idolize Amy Winehouse a person who denied any help and eventually overdosed on drug, over surgeons and doctors who save peoples lives?

And as well don't give me this crap i haven't been around Muslims and don't know them... I live the freaking Greater Toronto area, don't give miss this crap, there are a bunch of Muslims around here, and this past semester of school was centered around group research projects in which the majority of my group was Muslim. So don't pull that bullshit. Lol at going to ultra-hate religious sites... Buddy I take an objective few through looking at multiple news sites, I don't hate religion I just hate stuff being forced upon young people.

Anyways I hope some of you are good people and maybe try and take up the offer to donate to the people in the horn of Africa with the money they save from fasting, it would do great help to the people there.

Sorry about derailing the thread more..

[Toshiharu]

And wait, does this mean no SRO for turks for a month?

You're supposed to be.. well I'm just going to say 'good' for the entire month. If a turk says fack mather to you then reply back thats haram and bam! He should stop replying.

It's a well known fact that you only start fasting when you reach puberty. Don't give me this "kids are forced to do it" bullshit. If there really is cases like this, then those are rare. Oh and I didn't get a word from that Jain thing.

This just had to become another religion thread.

I started it during 2nd grade with my own will after thinking "I could do it." Considering sun went down at 4~5pm ish it was easy since got out of school. Play for a bit and it was dinner time.

I really hate how we can never have a decent conversation. Though when it comes to Christmas oh boy it's a good conversation of how much we hate our presents! I really hate you guys. I tend to delete my post a few seconds after I write something up, because I think to myself "I'm just being an ass." Which tends to throw the topic off it's direction either the entire thread (which in this case is happening) or for a page or two