Reason to NOT use iphone

[MrJoey]

On the fence about getting android/iphone? Guess what, all phones with IOS 4.0 and later keep track of your location in high detail.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... vacy-fears

Nice job by Apple in completely disregarding their customers privacy.

Do yourself a favor, go with Android.

[Hapjap]

eh who knows. maybe android does the same thing. there's a lot of apps for both OS's that use and store location data. tracking friends, mapping, geocaching, area-based multilayer games, etc.

[hey]

Why would you care? It's not like you will try to sneak into Area 51.

[nohunta]

Why would you care? It's not like you will try to sneak into Area 51.

Exactly, there ain't no where i go that'll get me in trouble.

[Majorharper]

I can see the perfect situation:

Mr. Bob tells wifey "im staying late at work"
Mr. Bob goes to strip bar, and then motel
Mr. Bob's wifey wants a divorce, with 3/4 of Mr. Bob's money.

Mr. Bob regrets buying iphone

[Gaigemasta]

If you allow one company, others will follow. You will eventually lose rights. Though most of the world doesn't have them anyways, but we Americans treasure our rights. Apple is a horrible company and takes advantage of mainstream consumerism and stupidity, allowing sales. They have applefags so convinced they can't make mistakes, and I noticed on the Engadget comments, Engadget didn't care nor did the other applefags, and it really scares me that one company can make that many people that much stupider than they already were. I still have hope for humanity but not for anyone who thinks Apple products are the best. Sad part is, I'm not a fanboy of anything really, I just move to whoever provides the best of an average category. So inb4beingcalledafanboy

[nohunta]

I can see the perfect situation:

Mr. Bob tells wifey "im staying late at work"
Mr. Bob goes to strip bar, and then motel
Mr. Bob's wifey wants a divorce, with 3/4 of Mr. Bob's money.

Mr. Bob regrets buying iphone

Lesson Learned here? Don't get married.

[dom]

I checked mine.

It's missing a lot of data points and there are a lot of inaccurate ones.

It's not sensitive enough to tell you where a person was (only closest cell phone towers). It doesn't index time that well (only every couple days, with no breakdown on time).

Try to guess where I live, where I work, and where I was yesterday; you would get more accurate information by just googling my name:

Spoiler!

[Gaigemasta]

I checked mine.

It's missing a lot of data points and there are a lot of inaccurate ones.

It's not sensitive enough to tell you in which city a person was, only a general region. It doesn't index time either.

Try to guess where I live, where I work, and where I was yesterday; you would get more accurate information by just googling my name:

Spoiler!

it's because of clouds, and shitty service too.

[Hapjap]

If you allow one company, others will follow. You will eventually lose rights. Though most of the world doesn't have them anyways, but we Americans treasure our rights. Apple is a horrible company and takes advantage of mainstream consumerism and stupidity, allowing sales. They have applefags so convinced they can't make mistakes, and I noticed on the Engadget comments, Engadget didn't care nor did the other applefags, and it really scares me that one company can make that many people that much stupider than they already were. I still have hope for humanity but not for anyone who thinks Apple products are the best. Sad part is, I'm not a fanboy of anything really, I just move to whoever provides the best of an average category. So inb4beingcalledafanboy

lose rights? lol?. it's still your choice to buy one. your choice to be tracked. like i said before:alot of apps both iOS and android apps use location data. there is a whole section about this in their ToS and privacy policies. assuming everyone reads before they sign.. its still very much your choice.

[MrJoey]

If this was in their privacy policies, I'm sure people would have noticed earlier. This tracking is active whether a person chooses to turn it on or not.

Any of you guys that think it's ok for a company to track your location and other such information, is an idiot, end story.

[strangelove]

Does anyone actually read anymore or do you just see the first piece of tabloid-grade sensationalized fodder and run with it? This is why you have no rights, Gaige, because people like you start pointing fingers and spewing incoherent verbal diarrhea before asking questions or looking at actual evidence presented for a claim.

Storing customer data is not new among cell phones. This is not the story. Your service provider does this on a daily basis by triangulating which cell towers you're accessing for their service and the data is stored, which is why this data is not accurate at all. The story here is that, for some reason, the file that holds this data is essentially unencrypted on iOS 4.0 devices. The data itself is only stored locally on the device and another copy on the machine you sync the device with. What the data is used for is not entirely known at the moment, but they're still investigating.

To fix this, you enable encrypting of your data when syncing your device.

Un-sensationalized, original source of story: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple- ... cking.html

Video for further explanation, by the original authors:

[Toshiharu]

On the fence about getting android/iphone? Guess what, all phones with IOS 4.0 and later keep track of your location in high detail.

I doubt Apple cares who the person is. It's just to get information on where the service is being used most often to improve on.. up until you murder someone and then your phone has logs.

[Gaigemasta]

Does anyone actually read anymore or do you just see the first piece of tabloid-grade sensationalized fodder and run with it? This is why you have no rights, Gaige, because people like you start pointing fingers and spewing incoherent verbal diarrhea before asking questions or looking at actual evidence presented for a claim.

Storing customer data is not new among cell phones. This is not the story. Your service provider does this on a daily basis by triangulating which cell towers you're accessing for their service and the data is stored, which is why this data is not accurate at all. The story here is that, for some reason, the file that holds this data is essentially unencrypted on iOS 4.0 devices. The data itself is only stored locally on the device and another copy on the machine you sync the device with. What the data is used for is not entirely known at the moment, but they're still investigating.

To fix this, you enable encrypting of your data when syncing your device.

Un-sensationalized, original source of story: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple- ... cking.html

Video for further explanation, by the original authors:

lol you're so cute you applefag


I did my research actually

When I went with T-mobile I made sure they don't store private information on their servers from allocated information after registering, and it's neither in their ToS, as well as Sprint whom I'm with now. Sprint's location service though when agreed upon allows location finding, but only stores minimal info. I know this because when my fiance was missing, the police couldn't get the phones prior locations, only the current. So instead of flaming me and accusing me, you might wanna get steve job's dick off your keyboard


Anyone who buys from Apple --->

[hey]

I guess Apple's staff touched some of their customers so they started to dislike iphone.

[DumboDii]

lol you're so cute you applefag


I did my research actually

When I went with T-mobile I made sure they don't store private information on their servers from allocated information after registering, and it's neither in their ToS, as well as Sprint whom I'm with now. Sprint's location service though when agreed upon allows location finding, but only stores minimal info. I know this because when my fiance was missing, the police couldn't get the phones prior locations, only the current. So instead of flaming me and accusing me, you might wanna get steve job's dick off your keyboard


Anyone who buys from Apple --->

I can see why.

And aren't all cellphones traceable?

[Gaigemasta]

oh cool personal flaming, and yes they are traceable but the locations aren't logged, excluding the iPhone of course

btw she was kidnapped

[Vortexx]

The Iphone is a gimmick. Real men use Android.

[BloodyBlade]

This is utter bullshit, I don't want my phone to keep track of where I am.

No eyephone for me.

[Fury]

[strangelove]

lol you're so cute you applefag


I did my research actually

When I went with T-mobile I made sure they don't store private information on their servers from allocated information after registering, and it's neither in their ToS, as well as Sprint whom I'm with now. Sprint's location service though when agreed upon allows location finding, but only stores minimal info. I know this because when my fiance was missing, the police couldn't get the phones prior locations, only the current. So instead of flaming me and accusing me, you might wanna get steve job's dick off your keyboard


Anyone who buys from Apple --->

That's not research. You're giving me anecdotes, meaning I have to take you at your word, and that's not happening any time soon. I prefer concrete information, not mundane personal accounts that verify your own claims.

The information you told T-Mobile not to store was personal data that you use every day, such as contact information, ringtones, personal details, past purchases, and the option to remove yourself from marketing lists. This is part of their "Opt-Out" program which allows you to do just that. What is still being recorded is cell tower data, when or how you make phone calls, and other variables that are useful for optimizing their own networks. You do not have a say in this matter. This is made at their own discretion and they're allowed to do so by law. The only difference between carriers is how long they keep those records before wiping them and starting over again. The cycles range from 30 days to 1 year.

T-Mobile TaC: Information automatically collected: http://www.t-mobile.com/company/website ... ycollected
T-Mobile TaC: Choices regarding your information: http://www.t-mobile.com/company/website ... gardinguse

Sprint is no different. Why they didn't provide you with information is most likely because you were either a) asking for too much information, b) it had been wiped recently or c) it would impose a burden on them. Their Terms and Conditions are not much different than T-Mobile's.

Sprint TaC- Information Collected: http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html#collected
For more information- The Stored Communications Act: http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercr ... 3ssma.html

I reiterate, this is why you have no rights, Gaige, because people like you start pointing fingers and spewing incoherent verbal diarrhea before asking questions or looking at actual evidence presented for a claim.

The Iphone is a gimmick. Real men use Android.

If you require a mobile OS to verify your masculinity, chances are you're not a "real man", whatever that means.

[DumboDii]

oh cool personal flaming, and yes they are traceable but the locations aren't logged, excluding the iPhone of course

btw she was kidnapped

Sorry for your tragedy (I really am) but you make no difference on personal flaming by calling everyone here applefags.

I'm not huge fan of Apple but I love my iPhone 4 and I used to diss Apple products before my friend let me play around with his iPhone.

[Hapjap]

oh cool personal flaming, and yes they are traceable but the locations aren't logged, excluding the iPhone of course

btw she was kidnapped

lol wouldn't it be better in that situation if they did log the locations? anyways... in case you didn't read what strange said. most of the policies only allow access to this information either with your consent(example calling 911) or through a court order. apple just handing the tracking info out is illegal.

[Amarisa]

Remember kids if you plan to murder someone don't bring your cell phone.

[Doron]

Sucks bro.

Wait.. I use Windows Mobile so my input is invalid.

[Gaigemasta]

lol you're so cute you applefag


I did my research actually

When I went with T-mobile I made sure they don't store private information on their servers from allocated information after registering, and it's neither in their ToS, as well as Sprint whom I'm with now. Sprint's location service though when agreed upon allows location finding, but only stores minimal info. I know this because when my fiance was missing, the police couldn't get the phones prior locations, only the current. So instead of flaming me and accusing me, you might wanna get steve job's dick off your keyboard


Anyone who buys from Apple --->

That's not research. You're giving me anecdotes, meaning I have to take you at your word, and that's not happening any time soon. I prefer concrete information, not mundane personal accounts that verify your own claims.

The information you told T-Mobile not to store was personal data that you use every day, such as contact information, ringtones, personal details, past purchases, and the option to remove yourself from marketing lists. This is part of their "Opt-Out" program which allows you to do just that. What is still being recorded is cell tower data, when or how you make phone calls, and other variables that are useful for optimizing their own networks. You do not have a say in this matter. This is made at their own discretion and they're allowed to do so by law. The only difference between carriers is how long they keep those records before wiping them and starting over again. The cycles range from 30 days to 1 year.

T-Mobile TaC: Information automatically collected: http://www.t-mobile.com/company/website ... ycollected
T-Mobile TaC: Choices regarding your information: http://www.t-mobile.com/company/website ... gardinguse

Sprint is no different. Why they didn't provide you with information is most likely because you were either a) asking for too much information, b) it had been wiped recently or c) it would impose a burden on them. Their Terms and Conditions are not much different than T-Mobile's.

Sprint TaC- Information Collected: http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html#collected
For more information- The Stored Communications Act: http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercr ... 3ssma.html

I reiterate, this is why you have no rights, Gaige, because people like you start pointing fingers and spewing incoherent verbal diarrhea before asking questions or looking at actual evidence presented for a claim.

The Iphone is a gimmick. Real men use Android.

If you require a mobile OS to verify your masculinity, chances are you're not a "real man", whatever that means.

I knew you were going to do this

Gaige - "When I went with T-mobile I made sure they don't store private information on their servers from allocated information after registering"

I was intending to clarify that some more

And yes they can store information, though only through a service. They can store your images (if you want), contacts (if you want), the list can go on, but ONLY IF YOU WANT. The Sidekick was a good example of this, and they got screwed over(look it up.[Though the sidekick was required to store the information]) And yes I know text message date/time and phone call date/time can be recorded but the contents of either aren't recorded.

[*BlackFox]

kind of creepy and It's a violation of privacy.

Why would you care? It's not like you will try to sneak into Area 51.

Meh.. maybe someone else will?

[dom]

It's about rights.

You will eventually lose rights.

Yet I get criticized for exercising my right to spend my own money.

Anyone who buys from Apple --->

lol you're so cute you applefag

[Gaigemasta]

It's about rights.

You will eventually lose rights.

Yet I get criticized for exercising my right to spend my own money.

Anyone who buys from Apple --->

lol you're so cute you applefag

It's my opinion, but I never took that right from you, I never held a gun to your head and said "No Dom, you can't buy this." It's like most people buy that "As seen on TV" shit, 99% of time they never work. It's your preference to be stupid, and I won't change it.

[dom]

It's about rights.

You will eventually lose rights.

Yet I get criticized for exercising my right to spend my own money.

Anyone who buys from Apple --->

lol you're so cute you applefag

It's my opinion, but I never took that right from you, I never held a gun to your head and said "No Dom, you can't buy this." It's like most people buy that "As seen on TV" shit, 99% of time they never work. It's your preference to be stupid, and I won't change it.

I guess you're right. I hate to say it but you never did put a gun against my head and tell me I can't buy that.

The only thing you did was criticize applefags for exercising their right to spend their money on what they want.