Legalize all drugs? (not just teh pot, the "hard" drugs too)

[.curve]

nonsense.

Every time I read a post from you, I can't tell if you're serious or attempting to troll.
Your arguments are too...ridiculous to be real, but you might honestly believe them so I dunno.

To add to the conversation:
Getting drugs is easy as it is. Making it legal would just make it safer than it is now. I can go to a rave at this present moment and find just about any sort of hard drug I want. Now that's just a population of about 45,000 people I'm talking about.

I'd rather get it from a trusted source rather than the sketchy dealer. Right now, my friends and I get our herbage from a dispensary. All it takes is $45 to get a card and there you go. You get good, medicinal quality herbage from a trusted source. No dealing with sketchy dealers or weird meet up places.

While on the topic of dispensaries though, I invite you all to park outside one for 30 minutes. Just park in the parking lot and chill and see the different types of people who walk in and out of that place. I've seen all races, genders, sexual orientations, religions, etc walk in there and socialize with each other.

I watched a grandmother leave her little dog behind so she could go into the dispensary. Right behind her was an African American couple around age 30. Behind them was some nerdy looking white guy. I really invite you to all try it.

[NuclearSilo]

Since it's already easy to get it. Legalize it make it even easier go get.
Now: 10% of the population can get drug. After: 50%? 90%?
Wow, have you thought about it? You got 50% gone wild because of drug, do you have enough doctor to treat them?
40-80% of the money spend on drug and treatment? Or it's better to use that money to actually fight drug?
Now what, people change career and open drug shop, sell heroin coz it gives more profit?

Legalization simply make people more 'open' about it, but it doesn't mean it can stop people to use drugs. Worst, it adds more.

If you want to reduce violence, increase education, not through some gay method like allowing what contribute to violence (drug).

The jails exist for a reason; to scare people otherwise free people will go wild like animals.

Legalize drugs then ask the kids not to use it, not to buy it? You can't, coz it's legal and they don't give a shit or too naive to realize the consequence of drug.
It's like saying there's a pretty naked girl on your bed and ask you to not 69 her; or there's a baby in front of a hungry lion and ask the lion not to eat him.

What can a government do to prevent kids not to buy drugs? It can't. There's always people who abuse just to get more profit, and legalization is the best cover for bad act.

[EvGa]

Just because you have access to a drug doesn't mean you will use and/or abuse it. Are you that... um... naive? I could go buy cocaine right now if I wanted it. I know who sells some near where I live and have had them offer it to me before. I know, through education (self taught), that cocaine would ruin my life. So, I've never tried it and never will. It's really simple.

Jail doesn't keep me from murdering people. Jail doesn't stop me from stealing. Jail doesn't stop me from molesting, raping, beating people. My upbringing and morals do. If jail is the only thing deterring you from these crimes, well...

Your kid example: Yes, because when we say 'legalize' we mean completely free and open, no regulations what so ever. It's not like there would be age limits.. similar to cigs and alcohol. *sarcasm*

[.curve]

Your kid example: Yes, because when we say 'legalize' we mean completely free and open, no regulations what so ever. It's not like there would be age limits.. similar to cigs and alcohol. *sarcasm*

Damn. I planned on dropping some LSD or Heroin into my baby's bottle.

[NuclearSilo]

Just because you have access to a drug doesn't mean you will use and/or abuse it. Are you that... um... naive? I could go buy cocaine right now if I wanted it. I know who sells some near where I live and have had them offer it to me before. I know, through education (self taught), that cocaine would ruin my life. So, I've never tried it and never will. It's really simple.
No but, bad people will trick you to use it, for example. Once you try heroin one time, you bite the dust and keep seeking for it.
It's not about you willing to use it, it's about bad people will freely use it to cause trouble.

Jail doesn't keep me from murdering people. Jail doesn't stop me from stealing. Jail doesn't stop me from molesting, raping, beating people. My upbringing and morals do. If jail is the only thing deterring you from these crimes, well...
So? Using and allowing drug will stop these things? Or add more?

Your kid example: Yes, because when we say 'legalize' we mean completely free and open, no regulations what so ever. It's not like there would be age limits.. similar to cigs and alcohol. *sarcasm*
Like kids will respect the law? How many time you saw a kid < 16y smoke or drink alcohol? What can prevent them from being tricked by bad people?

Ok let's put this this way. I go to a bar, secretly put heroin or a sleeping pill in someone's drink. He realized the effect after he drinks.
Who to blame? The manager? The server? Will he call the police?
Put a hormone increase pill on a girl's drink to force sex on her. Who to blame?

[Hapjap]

Ok let's put this this way. I go to a bar, secretly put heroin or a sleeping pill in someone's drink. He realized the effect after he drinks.
Who to blame? The manager? The server? Will he call the police?
Put a hormone increase pill on a girl's drink to force sex on her. Who to blame? [/quote]

Lol are you suggesting we blame the narcotic? It's the goddamn person's... or Do you blame guns for killing people? Who do we blame? the dumbass who does it, Lol?

[Hapjap]

Ok let's put this this way. I go to a bar, secretly put heroin or a sleeping pill in someone's drink. He realized the effect after he drinks.
Who to blame? The manager? The server? Will he call the police?
Put a hormone increase pill on a girl's drink to force sex on her. Who to blame?

Lol are you suggesting we blame the narcotic? It is the goddamn person's fault... or do you blame guns for killing people?

[EvGa]

Your outrageous scenarios happen regardless of the legality. Spiking a drink is illegal. Forcing drugs into someone's body is illegal. Raping a girl is illegal. These things would remain illegal regardless of the legality of drugs. I don't see your point.

Like curve said, I'd much rather get my herbs from a trusted/clean source than a shady dealer on the street corner. That said, I only smoke, at most, 4 times a year.

[.curve]

No but, bad people will trick you to use it, for example. Once you try heroin one time, you bite the dust and keep seeking for it.
It's not about you willing to use it, it's about bad people will freely use it to cause trouble.

Ignoring the other obvious nonsense, did you just say that if you try heroin once, you're immediately addicted?

Also, are you really saying that the substance is to blame? Wow.

[LaloHao]

Being legal would mean it is controlled by the government, which means you can't get it unless you need it for a medical reason. Those drugs can be used for more than recreational purposes, LSD was being researched for psychotherapy before the illegalization, that's one i can remember. But since drugs are banned research is too, how can we possibly know if they can be truly helpful when we don't know anything about them?

[.curve]

Being legal would mean it is controlled by the government, which means you can't get it unless you need it for a medical reason. Those drugs can be used for more than recreational purposes, LSD was being researched for psychotherapy before the illegalization, that's one i can remember. But since drugs are banned research is too, how can we possibly know if they can be truly helpful when we don't know anything about them?

MDMA(Ecstasy) has actually, if I remember correctly, been proven to help people with PTSD.

I posted a link a while ago with information about the other uses for recreational drug.

[XemnasXD]

The one's in prison are usually the dealers, not the addicts.

it's the exact opposite actually especially for marijuana...

[Mirosuke]

Wow... are you guys high or something? Never seen a topic so being discussed this way. Yup, I'm not helping. Of course I care but this just make zero sense. Why would someone legalize something that is killing somehow the humanity? Yeah, if you legalize drugs, then Terrorism and all stuff related to drugs will be allowed as well, huh?

[strangelove]

To the people who are against legalizing drugs- Where are you from?

The reason I'm asking is because rationalization for or against social issues such as these are usually met with some degree of animosity if the social issue is controversial in someone's home country. I've had two family members die from health complications due to their drug addiction and recently a friend of the family was murdered in Mexico by a drug cartel for refusing to pay the "tax". With that said, I do not believe it is my obligation or place to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their bodies or do with their lives. But that's the rub, isn't it? The substance could potentially be harmful to others around if used irresponsibly. Even so I don't see how it's that controversial or taboo knowing that many substances with the same consequences are indeed legal here in the US, and no one is up in arms about making them illegal, or at least not to my knowledge. The arbitrary distinctions people make between socially acceptable intoxicating substances and illegal ones is fascinating to me.

[NuclearSilo]

You all say about control and law stuff. But you know nothing about drugs. It's not being illegal that cause trouble to the society, it's the nature of the drug itself. If it's used effectively, it would be meaningful in anyway. But if it falls in the hands of those who got bad intention, it causes damage to the society.

Guns for example, police possess = good; mafia possess = bad; kids possess, even worst

If the gov can't control the drugs flow atm, there is no reason they could control it after legalization because those who got intention to break the rule will keep on break it and trade drug secretly to avoid tax and control, etc...

Just because you change some letters in a law book doesn't mean it grants you the power to control everything.
You think that all the drug dealers will automatically show up to the police to register? I don't think so.

[MrJoey]

The one's in prison are usually the dealers, not the addicts.

it's the exact opposite actually especially for marijuana...

I was referring more to the hard drugs that are more addictive. My bad for not clarifying.

[.curve]

Wow... are you guys high or something? Never seen a topic so being discussed this way. Yup, I'm not helping. Of course I care but this just make zero sense. Why would someone legalize something that is killing somehow the humanity? Yeah, if you legalize drugs, then Terrorism and all stuff related to drugs will be allowed as well, huh?

I guess we should ban cars, television, violent video games, cigarettes, any other potentially harmful item to society.

You all say about control and law stuff. But you know nothing about drugs. It's not being illegal that cause trouble to the society, it's the nature of the drug itself. If it's used effectively, it would be meaningful in anyway. But if it falls in the hands of those who got bad intention, it causes damage to the society.

Guns for example, police possess = good; mafia possess = bad; kids possess, even worst

If the gov can't control the drugs flow atm, there is no reason they could control it after legalization because those who got intention to break the rule will keep on break it and trade drug secretly to avoid tax and control, etc...

Just because you change some letters in a law book doesn't mean it grants you the power to control everything.
You think that all the drug dealers will automatically show up to the police to register? I don't think so.

This is what you don't realize:

The government legalizing it would not be a way of "controlling" the drug flow. At least not how I see it.

I see it as keeping people out of jails for minor infractions like possession, and putting those people who continue to break the laws back into jail.

Sure, you could say well why give them the chance to mess up at all. Well the same could be said for alcohol. So many accidents/deaths a year are from drunk/impaired drivers, yet alcohol is still legal and controlled.

You're looking at the word controlled as meaning individually watching every ounce of each drug to make sure that it's not being abused, which is silly.

[heroo]

Yeah, if you legalize drugs, then Terrorism and all stuff related to drugs will be allowed as well, huh?

that's like saying killing a person is as worse as sniffing some coke.

[Hapjap]

To the people who are against legalizing drugs- Where are you from?

The reason I'm asking is because rationalization for or against social issues such as these are usually met with some degree of animosity if the social issue is controversial in someone's home country. I've had two family members die from health complications due to their drug addiction and recently a friend of the family was murdered in Mexico by a drug cartel for refusing to pay the "tax". With that said, I do not believe it is my obligation or place to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their bodies or do with their lives. But that's the rub, isn't it? The substance could potentially be harmful to others around if used irresponsibly. Even so I don't see how it's that controversial or taboo knowing that many substances with the same consequences are indeed legal here in the US, and no one is up in arms about making them illegal, or at least not to my knowledge. The arbitrary distinctions people make between socially acceptable intoxicating substances and illegal ones is fascinating to me.

You're right there are a lot of equally harmful legal substances. The reason why marijuana and a few other drugs were banned is not because they could be potentially harmful. After the civil war freed slaves and an increase in immigration troubled many whites in the still very racist southern states. A portion of these immigrants were Jamaicans and some from Mexico. They brought with them hemp and used it recreationally. Racist newspaper editorials published fraudulent studies saying "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice." Revolts and demonstrations for equal rights by oppressed ethnic groups were characterized by the whites as being caused by using marijuana. Fear generated in the general public and by 1910 the first states had banned marijuana sale.

[LaloHao]

You all say about control and law stuff. But you know nothing about drugs. It's not being illegal that cause trouble to the society, it's the nature of the drug itself. If it's used effectively, it would be meaningful in anyway. But if it falls in the hands of those who got bad intention, it causes damage to the society.

Guns for example, police possess = good; mafia possess = bad; kids possess, even worst

If the gov can't control the drugs flow atm, there is no reason they could control it after legalization because those who got intention to break the rule will keep on break it and trade drug secretly to avoid tax and control, etc...

Just because you change some letters in a law book doesn't mean it grants you the power to control everything.
You think that all the drug dealers will automatically show up to the police to register? I don't think so.

If they can't control it it's because they can't handle all the cartels and all the people in it, but what happens when the only ones who are able to sell it need to be registered and checked by the government, let's say you get a ticket in that place, if you get caught with drugs and do not have a ticket it would mean you didn't get it from a legal place. This is just my idea, i'm sure people can think of some other ways to do it efficiently.
BTW i'm from the Narc state aka Sinaloa.

[Aventuris]

I see it as keeping people out of jails for minor infractions like possession, and putting those people who continue to break the laws back into jail.

Sure, you could say well why give them the chance to mess up at all. Well the same could be said for alcohol. So many accidents/deaths a year are from drunk/impaired drivers, yet alcohol is still legal and controlled.

You're looking at the word controlled as meaning individually watching every ounce of each drug to make sure that it's not being abused, which is silly.

People are not jailed for "minor infractions". The harder the drug though, the tighter the margin and the less chance for a "minor infraction" as you call it. Nobody will go to jail for having 2 joints on him, making your own acid at home though is a completely different story and not uncommon for people taking harder drugs.

Brings back the debate about if jail is even a useful option, because I think it does nothing for these kind of people personally. Better rehab programs are what is needed.


Also, if the government were to legalize drugs, the message it would send out to society would be that it is "not too bad" to be taking drugs. I mean, I could care less about someone being a casual marijuana smoker but the harder drugs are just rediculous.

~ Avent

[NuclearSilo]

Also, if the government were to legalize drugs, the message it would send out to society would be that it is "not too bad" to be taking drugs. I mean, I could care less about someone being a casual marijuana smoker but the harder drugs are just rediculous.

~ Avent

It's not 'not too bad'. It's 'it's ok to use it'. That's what I see.

[McLovin1t]

Curve i swear you have the attention span of a goldfish. I addressed the point about banning cars video games (knives) etc. Those all have real purposes and are almost necessary (to an industry etc. violent videogames have never changed someone's brain structure either).

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Curve i swear you have the attention span of a goldfish. I addressed the point about banning cars video games (knives) etc. Those all have real purposes and are almost necessary (to an industry etc. violent videogames have never changed someone's brain structure either).

some studies did show video games can effect how you think but the results where not all conclusive, parenting is stil the biggest factor in how a child grows up

[Hapjap]

People are not jailed for "minor infractions". The harder the drug though, the tighter the margin and the less chance for a "minor infraction" as you call it. Nobody will go to jail for having 2 joints on him, making your own acid at home though is a completely different story and not uncommon for people taking harder drugs.

Brings back the debate about if jail is even a useful option, because I think it does nothing for these kind of people personally. Better rehab programs are what is needed.


Also, if the government were to legalize drugs, the message it would send out to society would be that it is "not too bad" to be taking drugs. I mean, I could care less about someone being a casual marijuana smoker but the harder drugs are just rediculous.

~ Avent

not true. in most american states under 2oz marijuana will land you 180 days and $2000. anything more than 4oz is minimum sentence 180days-2 years and up to $10000 fine. may not seem like much but jail sentence on resume make i near impossible to find a job.

[hey]

kk, and people will start secretly putting drugs food, drinks so they attract you to their restaurant
guys will secretly put a sleeping pill in the drinks and rape a random girl in the bar
whore will put addict drug on her pussy to attract men
those who commit a crime will make an excuse it's because of the drug and he didn't do it on purpose
etc...

There are so many thing people could do if they possess all the drugs.

Joymax will legalize botting so they don't have to waste energy and resource on the war of bot, and everyone will be happy.

Education is not enough. There are people who will do anything, sacrifice anything just to get rich. Most of the drug doesn't give anything good but bad. Some people harm their own body with drugs and they don't give a shit about it.

Ask those who experienced, not those who daydream for utopia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPOK24g9Cc

Does it contribute to the civilization of humans? No
Does it contribute to science development and knowledge? No
Does it help people to be a good person? No
Does it contribute for a better environment? No
Does it produce food? No

[.curve]

kk, and people will start secretly putting drugs food, drinks so they attract you to their restaurant
guys will secretly put a sleeping pill in the drinks and rape a random girl in the bar
whore will put addict drug on her pussy to attract men
those who commit a crime will make an excuse it's because of the drug and he didn't do it on purpose
etc...

There are so many thing people could do if they possess all the drugs.

Joymax will legalize botting so they don't have to waste energy and resource on the war of bot, and everyone will be happy.

Education is not enough. There are people who will do anything, sacrifice anything just to get rich. Most of the drug doesn't give anything good but bad. Some people harm their own body with drugs and they don't give a shit about it.

Ask those who experienced, not those who daydream for utopia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPOK24g9Cc

Does it contribute to the civilization of humans? No
Does it contribute to science development and knowledge? No
Does it help people to be a good person? No
Does it contribute for a better environment? No
Does it produce food? No

How did I miss this NS post. I think I might actually make part of it my sig because it's so hilariously stupid.

loled at the bold text.

[PimpinHoez]

People are not jailed for "minor infractions". The harder the drug though, the tighter the margin and the less chance for a "minor infraction" as you call it. Nobody will go to jail for having 2 joints on him, making your own acid at home though is a completely different story and not uncommon for people taking harder drugs.

Brings back the debate about if jail is even a useful option, because I think it does nothing for these kind of people personally. Better rehab programs are what is needed.


Also, if the government were to legalize drugs, the message it would send out to society would be that it is "not too bad" to be taking drugs. I mean, I could care less about someone being a casual marijuana smoker but the harder drugs are just rediculous.

~ Avent

not true. in most american states under 2oz marijuana will land you 180 days and $2000. anything more than 4oz is minimum sentence 180days-2 years and up to $10000 fine. may not seem like much but jail sentence on resume make i near impossible to find a job.

yeah that's wrong you wont get much jail for marijuana unless you violate probation, or a repeat offender... mayyybe you go to jail if you have massive amount(10+lbs) or your growing it.

the reason they "say" you can get that much time is to scare people and technically your at the judges mercy.(ps I live in georgia where they are still hardcore about weed in mmost places and you still dont get jail time)

[Barotix]

Also, if the government were to legalize drugs, the message it would send out to society would be that it is "not too bad" to be taking drugs. I mean, I could care less about someone being a casual marijuana smoker but the harder drugs are just rediculous.

~ Avent

Societal stigma plays a larger role in individual behavior than government approval.

[NuclearSilo]

How did I miss this NS post. I think I might actually make part of it my sig because it's so hilariously stupid.

loled at the bold text.

Why stupid? It happens in real life.