do you approve gay marriage

[strangelove]

would you like to have two fathers?

Do you even know how f*cked up it is for a child to have gay parents? I don't know how things are in your environment, but I know for sure you won't have a nice childhood if people here in my town know that you have gay parents. (and I live in Holland, which is one of the most gayloving countries)

Since I have not experienced being raised by two mothers or fathers, I'll let someone who has speak for themselves:



Conclusion: People around you are xenophobic troglodytes and the condition appears to be contagious.

[CeLL]

if you were starving would you allow a homosexual to give you food to eat?

say someone killed your parents. if you were starving, would you allow that murderer to give you food to eat?

your argument is invalid.

i asked a simple question. if you were starving, would you allow a homosexual to give you a goat chop to eat? plain and simple. adding murder to the equation is outragious.

[heroo]

thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me.

@ CeLL

then why are you adding the fact that I'm starving to the equation? your question is a 100% hypothetical question, but I will answer it nonetheless. I would accept food from a gay person if I were starving. that doesn't mean that i like/love or even approve his sexuality. it just means that I want to live. on the other hand, if I saw a gay person starving I would also feed him and I am 100% sure that he would accept my foodm, even if he knew how I think about gays.

[CeLL]

thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me.

i think the better point is, do you have even one case to support your arguement or is it simply based off of a bias you have?
note: im not advocating or against anything, im simply looking for an objective discussion.

[heroo]

thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me.

i think the better point is, do you have even one case to support your arguement or is it simply based off of a bias you have?
note: im not advocating or against anything, im simply looking for an objective discussion.

No I do not and that's why I asked the question. My argument is based upon the many discussions I had with friends and in class about this topic. That's why I said that in my current environment I don't think that children of gays would have a nice childhood.

[strangelove]

thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me.

Please don't flatter yourself, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You presented me with a question and I replied. Though if the past is any indicator, it's not like comprehending empirical evidence objectively is your strong suit anyway.

My argument is based upon the many discussions I had with friends and in class about this topic. That's why I said that in my current environment I don't think that children of gays would have a nice childhood.

That's called anecdotal evidence, or more colloquially known as the I-just-pulled-this-argument-out-of-my-ass Fallacy.

[MrJoey]

Eh, not even worth bothering strangelove, heroo is one of those people so dead set in his views, that you might as well try to convince a brick wall to turn around.

[heroo]

why don't you drop the I-am-a-professor act with all those fancy words. Who the f*ck are you trying to impress?

Please don't flatter yourself, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You presented me with a question and I replied. Though if the past is any indicator, it's not like comprehending empirical evidence objectively is your strong suit anyway.

I wasn't flattering myself, was just trying to make a point. But you seem to have your head stuck in your ass acting all high and mighty. And one person talking about their experiences isn't evidence.

at's called anecdotal evidence, or more colloquially known as the I-just-pulled-this-argument-out-of-my-ass Fallacy.

yup, I pulled out of my ass and I am trying to shove it your ass now.

[CeLL]

Ok, heroo. You took a simple scenario and turned it into an extreme and possibly morbid example by injecting murder in it. I would like to turn the tables on this matter and present what would appear to you as a ridiculous and an extreme example with the same basic mentality of "thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me."
This isnt meant to offend, it is simply meant to make you think.
Iirc you are a muslim. (If not this is totally irrelavant and can be ingored.) it is also my understanding that the book of the faith of said people was written by one person, Muhammad. Would anyone who is a non believer, based on your same approach to our current argument, be wrong in saying, "Thanks for basing your faith on one persons writings, you have really converted me." ?
At what point does your "thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me." argument become invalid?

[strangelove]

Eh, not even worth bothering strangelove, heroo is one of those people so dead set in his views, that you might as well try to convince a brick wall to turn around.

It's all in good fun. I never take these things seriously. Maybe I should throw in more smilies in my posts to show how amused I am.

why don't you drop the I-am-a-professor act with all those fancy words. Who the f*ck are you trying to impress?

Apparently you, lol.

I wasn't flattering myself, was just trying to make a point. But you seem to have your head stuck in your ass acting all high and mighty. And one person talking about their experiences isn't evidence.

But your classroom's mental circlejerk for which there is no evidence but your own hearsay is? Got it.

yup, I pulled out of my ass and I am trying to shove it your ass now.

lol That makes no sense, but I'll give you some brownie points for trying.

[Goseki]

yup, I pulled out of my ass and I am trying to shove it your ass now.

Did someone just come out of the closet or did I miss something here...

[strangelove]

yup, I pulled out of my ass and I am trying to shove it your ass now.

Did someone just come out of the closet or did I miss something here...

It reminded me of that one scene in Requiem for a Dream.

[heroo]

Ok, heroo. You took a simple scenario and turned it into an extreme and possibly morbid example by injecting murder in it. I would like to turn the tables on this matter and present what would appear to you as a ridiculous and an extreme example with the same basic mentality of "thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me."
This isnt meant to offend, it is simply meant to make you think.
Iirc you are a muslim. (If not this is totally irrelavant and can be ingored.) it is also my understanding that the book of the faith of said people was written by one person, Muhammad. Would anyone who is a non believer, based on your same approach to our current argument, be wrong in saying, "Thanks for basing your faith on one persons writings, you have really converted me." ?
At what point does your "thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me." argument become invalid?

That's a good point and I'll do my best to explain my view on this matter to you, allthough I'm limited by my knowledge of the English language.

First of all, the Quran is the book of Allah, and not the book of Muhammed. Muslims believe that the words in the Quran came from Allah himself and that Muhammed simply acted as his messenger. So when you say we base our religion based on one person, you mean we based our religioin on one God. However, I do understand what you are trying to say. Whether or not you are convinced by the words of Allah is totally up to you, there is no evidence to prove Allah wrong and there is no evidence to prove Allah right. It's matter of belief, but the matter we are discussing in this thread isn't a matter of belief. It can be researched by using scientific methods. There have been scientific researches about this subject and some are in favor of gay parents and some are not. That is why I said he didn't convince me with just that one vid. You might want to read this article. Scientists themselfes still don't know the effects of gay parenting on children. That is why we are having this discussion and that is why I made that comment on strangelove's vid.

@ Goseki

why don't go an whine about the servertraffic and how it affected your life.

[strangelove]

There have been scientific researches about this subject and some are in favor of gay parents and some are not. That is why I said he didn't convince me with just that one vid. You might want to read this article. Scientists themselfes still don't know the effects of gay parenting on children. That is why we are having this discussion and that is why I made that comment on strangelove's vid.

You're citing an article from a pretty well-known anti-gay organization. It's like asking a Hasidic Jew to explain the virtues of being a Muslim.

But to be fair, one of the top scientific advisors of NARTH (George Alan Rekers) was found traveling with a male prostitute not too long ago, lol. This sort of thing tends to have some impact on the credibility of their studies.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/ ... escort.php

[heroo]

how about you read the whole article before giving your opinion?

[EvGa]

lmao

[CeLL]

allah has been declared to have given the words, but mohammed wrote it. they are the writings of one person. he is the only person on whom you base that they are in fact the words of allah. im not making this a dispute about religion. whether or not you believe thw words or follow them isnt the point. im simply redirecting your logic. how do you come to that conclusion based upon the writings of one man? dont act like im asking something im not.

[heroo]

nvm CeLL. i tried to explain it to you, but I guess I failed.

[strangelove]

how about you read the whole article before giving your opinion?

I have read it. Why do you think I commented on it? Did you read the article? More importantly, did you even research arguments against what the article talked about? Part of searching for good, solid evidence is researching the other side's opinion, even if you don't agree with it. If you're stuck in the echo chamber of one side of the argument, you'll always believe you're right, even if you're not.

[heroo]

i know i'm right, that's all i need to know

[CeLL]

you did because you failed to address my question. you rabbit trailed off onto something else.

[MrJoey]

I wonder if banging my head against the wall repeatedly will give me the same stupidity awesomness that heroo has.

[strangelove]

i know i'm right, that's all i need to know

[CeLL]

heroo's faith is between him and what he has his faith in and doesnt require any explination or approval of anyone. that is what he is trying to say. no one else has to accept it or believe it, he knows hes right, thats all that matters. thats the thing about faith, its a personal thing that cant be proven to others, only yourself. i cant give you my feelings. i can express them in a way that i can hope you mimic them, but i cant give them to you. this goes into an entire metaphysics debate that i want to avoid. no need to belittle someone for their feelings cause they belong to them, no one else.
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Ok you know what, this is ridiculous. Im calling you out because im tired of "poor english" being the excuse to repeatedly avoid perfectly acceptable questions (by you and others.) You didn’t have an english problem when you told someone you were going to shove something up their ass that you just pulled out of your own. You had no english problems when you said youd rather be an unlove orphan than to be loved and raised be 2 people of the same sex. You cant possibly have issues with your english when I ask this question. I don’t want an answer about Allah, I don’t want an answer about what you believe, I want to know why your argument "thanks for making a conclusion based on one case. you have really convinced me." doesn’t work in this situation, but you have no problem basing your entire belief system off of what 1 single individual human wrote, then said god told him to do so. Im not an athiest trying to argue your belief vs my unbelief. Im not trolling trying to get you to slip up and say something unwholesome about Allah or mohammed I just want to understand how you can be convinced by what one man says he experienced with the supreme being, but you cant find it in your heart to believe what one man says in this situation. 1 man says he was told something by Allah and you believe that. That is one single case, yet you believe it with no reservations. But this one case you cant allow to convince you on this matter. Im addressing your mindset not your beliefs.

[Goseki]

i know i'm right, that's all i need to know

Then why should you force your views upon other. If i'm not mistaken, the 3 Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have similar statements in them that say judge not other, let God be the final judge.

If you follow your religion and obey its texts, shouldn't you just let gays do what they want. God will judge you and them later. No need to force your views on someone.

And don't say marriage is a religious thing. There is a difference between a religious marriage and a secular marriage. I'm 99.9% certain gays just want the secular marriage as they know that most churches won't accept them.

If you want to say that there is no point to requiring marriage, please see argument above about how marriage also grants additional rights in this country and many others.

[*BlackFox]

Well, as long as those two people are happy, I could care less about what they do.

I don't really care if men marry dogs or horses
Its their right as a human, ya know?

What the hell?
Screw that.. That is not a human rights at all. "That's INSANITY!"

[cpinney]

i can't stop laughing.

[dom]

i know i'm right, that's all i need to know

Information goes in, ignorance comes out; you can't explain that.

[inky]

OH GOD STOP! LMFAO!

yup, I pulled out of my ass and I am trying to shove it your ass now.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ok shit. I gotta stop reading. That was an entire comedy show packed into a a few thread posts.

[heroo]

@ Joey

I would like to bang your head against the wall until you get the same stupidity as me. I know I am right and I'm fully convinced of my beliefs. That's not stupidity, but it's my strong belief. I don't approve any homo sexuality and never will.

@ Goseki

I don't approve it, but I don't care if people do. As long as they don't bother me with it.

Next time read my posts before replying to something I said. I don't give a f*ck if people choose to be gay or get married or whatever they do with their lifes, I just don't think that's the right way to live your life. That's all.

@ CeLL

I think you understand what I mean and if you don't, then don't. I don't ask of you to understand me, but it would be nice if you did. What I wrote is the best way I can answer your question and I'm certainly not avoiding your question. And btw, the fact that you compare the words of a guy with gay parents with the words of my Prophet already is very disrespectful. I choose to believe the words of Muhammad and he has convinced. I also choose to believe the words of that guy on the vid, but that doesn't change my opinion one bit of how I think about homosexuals. I am glad for that guy that his life turned out well, but that's not always the case. Remember that.

@ Strangelove and dom

If my beliefs are indeed ignorance, then I want to be the most ignorant person on this world.