Why do STR Hybrids suck!?

[Maher_]

ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.



dont react to this post calling me a nub or somthing but thats what i think tell me if im wrong w/ out being a jackass

[Chaud]

ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.

Your a nub.
It is based on gear to an extent, however ...
Crap build + all sos = good
Good build + all sos = much better

[Penguin13]

And I agree with Fly.

What's the point of a str hybrid anyway? Str build with more mp, but less damage?

(Sorry, but I didn't read the 2nd page.)

[Tatianasaphira]

ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.

It is based on gear to an extent, however ...
Crap build + all sos = good
Good build + all sos = much better

That part I do agree with. Built right it will work. Build it wrong, just start over.

As for the part that if I have a life, called work, I should stop giving out advise, never. Just because this week I have been lucky to get an hr in the morning to play doesn't mean I won't continue to share my experiences.

[HuyFong]

I agree with both sides but I will say it again – the reason why STR hybrids exists is because of not intentionally building this particular character but is because they people first started playing the game they did not know how to allocate their stat points

Trust me – there is no STR hybrids I have spoken to on Troy that truly and honestly not put everything into STR had they known from the beginning. One of the above poster said “ a STR player with more mp and less damage” which summarize the negative aspect of a hybrid STR.

It’s not only me, but its many others who switched to building up a full STR because they don’t want to continue with a character that has less power, less health, and simply harder to equip.

[pipigrande]

As stayed before PURE STR > HYBRID STR. but if u r going to pvp and wanna be the best as STR go pure.

But, at the end its your decision if u wanna be different and try a new build, go ahead.

i personally would like to see different builds on the game, not just the usual ones...

hf, gl

[Maher_]

Maher_ wrote:
ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.


Your a nub.

andd you sir, can stfu i told u thats what i think jackass and like everyone aid play the god dam game the way u want to Farking moron (sorry for lang but some of us idiots cant read)

[Sin]

Maher_ wrote:
ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.


Your a nub.

andd you sir, can stfu i told u thats what i think jackass and like everyone aid play the god dam game the way u want to Flarking moron (sorry for lang but some of us idiots cant read)

Quote button FTW?

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Maher_ wrote:
ok, well i notuiced kul had lots of crits, it could have been eq differnece + he has many stuns and all that good stuff. i think that build your character the way YOU want it. because at lvl 70 its all based on the eq.


Your a nub.

andd you sir, can stfu i told u thats what i think jackass and like everyone aid play the god dam game the way u want to Flarking moron (sorry for lang but some of us idiots cant read)

Quote button FTW?

learn to use "quote"

[Juey]

I still insist on that str hybrid do more dmg than pure str.
And there is a 2nd str hybrid high lv in my svr, its Brue and last few lv ups he added int to keep being str hybrid.

I decided not to make a pvp video of myself against other, just to keep u people in the darkness of ur ignorance(Fly). But after hearing guild member urging me to make one, and the ridiculous claim many people from the forum that str hybrid do LESS dmg than pure str. I have changed my mind and thinking about making a video, so look forward to it in some time.

This is my last post on the subject, as i dont see the point replying to anoyone keep saying pure str do more dmg than hybrid str.

[The_KlNG]

I still insist on that str hybrid do more dmg than pure str.
And there is a 2nd str hybrid high lv in my svr, its Brue and last few lv ups he added int to keep being str hybrid.

I decided not to make a pvp video of myself against other, just to keep u people in the darkness of ur ignorance(Fly). But after hearing guild member urging me to make one, and the ridiculous claim many people from the forum that str hybrid do LESS dmg than pure str. I have changed my mind and thinking about making a video, so look forward to it in some time.

This is my last post on the subject, as i dont see the point replying to anoyone keep saying pure str do more dmg than hybrid str.

Don't listen to them Joey, their mind is wrap around Korean page and haven't experience Hybrid battle. Hybrid will alway hit more then str, and less then int. Most people still haven't realize that Pure str actually hit with a 50:50 balance that is thier attck is 50% phy and 50% mag.

Alot of people haven't realize the stat table doesn't show the +XX% from magic mastery. To corectly calculate your mag attack take your magic atttck and then add your magic mastery and tally it up after that add your imbue to see the final attck result.

[Tatianasaphira]

when I come back and drag my sorry ass to 70, if chaud wants to come onto Oasis, we can have a little fraps get together and then this will answer it once and for all.

[Chaud]

when I come back and drag my sorry ass to 70, if chaud wants to come onto Oasis, we can have a little fraps get together and then this will answer it once and for all.

Lol. I'm not making a 70 on another server just to kill you.
Besides, by the time you hit 70, cap will be 90 lol.

[Tatianasaphira]

when I come back and drag my sorry ass to 70, if chaud wants to come onto Oasis, we can have a little fraps get together and then this will answer it once and for all.

Lol. I'm not making a 70 on another server just to kill you.
Besides, by the time you hit 70, cap will be 90 lol.

lets be realistic...by the time I drag my sorry ass on Ragnarok to 99, and then get back here, and drag my ass to 70, the cap will be 150. Besides, what makes you think you can kill me...hehehe

[Criterion-]

I still insist on that str hybrid do more dmg than pure str.
And there is a 2nd str hybrid high lv in my svr, its Brue and last few lv ups he added int to keep being str hybrid.

I decided not to make a pvp video of myself against other, just to keep u people in the darkness of ur ignorance(Fly). But after hearing guild member urging me to make one, and the ridiculous claim many people from the forum that str hybrid do LESS dmg than pure str. I have changed my mind and thinking about making a video, so look forward to it in some time.

This is my last post on the subject, as i dont see the point replying to anoyone keep saying pure str do more dmg than hybrid str.

Don't listen to them Joey, their mind is wrap around Korean page and haven't experience Hybrid battle. Hybrid will alway hit more then str, and less then int. Most people still haven't realize that Pure str actually hit with a 50:50 balance that is thier attck is 50% phy and 50% mag.

Alot of people haven't realize the stat table doesn't show the +XX% from magic mastery. To corectly calculate your mag attack take your magic atttck and then add your magic mastery and tally it up after that add your imbue to see the final attck result.

Go back to 2nd grade math pls.

[Aya]

just my 2 cents...a str hybrid does more damage.... BUT str builds are about tanking and criting, as a hybrid you lose both. But do as YOU wish

[HuyFong]

I will say this for the LAST time and any idiots who wanna believe other wise can be owned all day every day by PURE STRENGTH
NO ONE argue that Hybrid STRENGTH does more damage on a consistant bases. Example:

Strength DMG = X
Hybrid DMG = 1.2X

However when a STR crit he will crit for 2X
Hybrid crit for 1.5X

Get it?! No obviously you guys don't understand that CRITs are the deciding factor in ANY STR builds. No crit = pot fight.

Ok let's get that in your heads then : CRIT = deciding factor for winner
Problem with hybrid STR

1. LESS health by far! Especially for the 2:1 and 1:1 hybrids
2. LESS crit damage by far! I crit a hybrid for 6.8k crit and he crit me for 4.7k same weapon used.

For a STRENGTH build which bases on HIGH physical damage and tanking why you would want to lower your Tanking ability AND damage in PVP?

For the one who thinks HYBRID owns woooyah! then please 1. Go back to 1st grade math and 2. Go pvp some pure str and gets owned and as the newbs says kkkkthnxbbcyawoot

[syndrom]

well i wouldnt ever consider myself a str hybrid cause im not

but i will admit when i join SRO ididnt no wut builds ment

so i added sum puts into int and now i have alittle more damage and abobut 200 to 250 less hp than a pure str but it means nuthin to me because if i have a crit 11 glavie like i do i can easy kill my lvl pure str and pure int without tryin

str hybrids arent pwnin build but they stand there own. if u make one be a glavier and be str heavy and i mean heavy with sum int added for damage and youll do fine

[Deadly EYez]

Str builds is all about the crit...
If you add int you will get less dmg in your crits and thats a big lost..

[Takunya]

Hybrid will just lose against pure str unless he has some SoX+ gears.

Hybrid MIGHT do like 250-500 more dmg per soul/ghost compared to pure str. But how about having way less hp than pure str? or having worse phy balance? or doing shitty damage with crits? kk you hybrids do leet dmg, you rule. but try not to get 2 crits in a row from a pure str.

[Juey]

ok since we all agreed on hybrid do more dmg than pure str, ill talk about other subject.

About my HP and balance:
Currently im lv 66 with about 10869 hp my balance is 90% and 57% Now if u tell me that sucks compared to pure str, then u can sucks my balls kthankscyalaterbb^_^ '

I have no sos my glaive is +5, I've tried versus lv 69+ pure str glaive HK_Bra from EVA, first battle he won yes because he crit right before he was about to die, next 2 battles i wona nd he gives up. Now unless u gonna crit every time u fight and just in a time where my hp is already low and my pot wont heal me back up, u gonna die, and no there will be no pot battle if noone crit.

List of defeated foes on greece: Bruceleez (lv 69+ pure int, another lv 69+ from EVA that i forgot name, but we fought right after i fought with HK_Bra, ZigZag lv 68 pure str glaive, and every single one lv 66 and under that i have fought with) I tried to FRAPS it was dam laggy in pvp and im running low on space on my HD, i will free up some space later and try again.

Takunya, how about u log in and try pvp me? Havent seen u around for a while

Anyway how about this, im going to post in the max dmg thread of me with and without crit on a mangyang in zerk. and u will tell for urself the dmg compared to your own dmg. (not counting anyone with sos or +7 of course, as im sure they do more)

[Skitsefrenik]

ok since we all agreed on hybrid do more dmg than pure str, ill talk about other subject.

About my HP and balance:
Currently im lv 66 with about 10869 hp my balance is 90% and 57% Now if u tell me that sucks compared to pure str, then u can sucks my balls kthankscyalaterbb^_^ '

I have no sos my glaive is +5, I've tried versus lv 69+ pure str glaive HK_Bra from EVA, first battle he won yes because he crit right before he was about to die, next 2 battles i wona nd he gives up. Now unless u gonna crit every time u fight and just in a time where my hp is already low and my pot wont heal me back up, u gonna die, and no there will be no pot battle if noone crit.

List of defeated foes on greece: Bruceleez (lv 69+ pure int, another lv 69+ from EVA that i forgot name, but we fought right after i fought with HK_Bra, ZigZag lv 68 pure str glaive, and every single one lv 66 and under that i have fought with) I tried to FRAPS it was dam laggy in pvp and im running low on space on my HD, i will free up some space later and try again.

Takunya, how about u log in and try pvp me? Havent seen u around for a while

Anyway how about this, im going to post in the max dmg thread of me with and without crit on a mangyang in zerk. and u will tell for urself the dmg compared to your own dmg. (not counting anyone with sos or +7 of course, as im sure they do more)

you have a +5 glaive...that means something. your balance is is 90% and 57%....lets say the other person's balace is 110% and 37%.....its still a total of 147%.....how the hell does that change your damage?

[Juey]

skizelfrenik, i dont wtf u talking about the % thing. Regarding the +5 glaive, i dont know about ur server, but on greece pretty much everyone got +5 +7 we got 2 +9 here as well, and alot of sos, HK_bra had Sos spear 64 +3 at least.

To EVERYONE ELSE look here:

This is my char, its a bit different from what i told u earlier because i took it straight from memory and didnt look at my char as i wasnt online in sro at the time.



I tried to zerk the mangyan but could never get a crit due to my 7 crit glaive, but this is without crit



And this is without zerk same dmg as u can see zerk pretty much double your dmg



And this WITH crit but without zerk


Now if with zerk the dmg would be 26043 x 2 = 52086 Which would put me in FIRST place in the hybrid 6x cup and close to the 2nd place in the pure str cup lv 6x.

Pure INT =========Pure STR =========== Hybrid
1. AllEyezOnMe 50055- | 1. DarkJackal 63653--- | 1. SuicideGrl 48141
2. ----------------------- | 2. Elenya 52378-------- | 2. ShizKnight 45070
3. ----------------------- | 3. Sk8ter 41450-------- | 3. Tingboy 44019

Your eyes have been opened yet? And im 66 not fully farmed.

[The_KlNG]

I still insist on that str hybrid do more dmg than pure str.
And there is a 2nd str hybrid high lv in my svr, its Brue and last few lv ups he added int to keep being str hybrid.

I decided not to make a pvp video of myself against other, just to keep u people in the darkness of ur ignorance(Fly). But after hearing guild member urging me to make one, and the ridiculous claim many people from the forum that str hybrid do LESS dmg than pure str. I have changed my mind and thinking about making a video, so look forward to it in some time.

This is my last post on the subject, as i dont see the point replying to anoyone keep saying pure str do more dmg than hybrid str.

Don't listen to them Joey, their mind is wrap around Korean page and haven't experience Hybrid battle. Hybrid will alway hit more then str, and less then int. Most people still haven't realize that Pure str actually hit with a 50:50 balance that is thier attck is 50% phy and 50% mag.

Alot of people haven't realize the stat table doesn't show the +XX% from magic mastery. To corectly calculate your mag attack take your magic atttck and then add your magic mastery and tally it up after that add your imbue to see the final attck result.

Go back to 2nd grade math pls.

No you should be the one to go to 2nd grade math, Moron.Compare your stat and you'll see. The phy attck is your actual DMg when you do skill it add your skill dmg on top.

The mag attck shown doesn't count the +%% from your force mastery. See Juey post, see how low his magic is compare to str? but how do he hit more then str?

Here is some logic for you buddy.
If Pure str hit 90% phy based and 10% magic by becoming a hybrid he would logically hit less become hybrid would hit 85/15, 80/20. 75/25 but this is not true, no matter what kind of hybrid you are having any point into Int reasult in a harder hitting.

So if pure str hit 50/50 then hybrid would hit 45/55 ,40/60 thus having higer attck then pure st.

In the case of Int, they hit at 10/90 this is prove true if they don't use imbue they thier dmg is next to nothing.

notice: they all add up to 100 but the dmg calculate the more one side you are the better that section of attck will show.


Edit: Juey can you borrow one of your freind's spear and do dmg test, i'm positive hybrid all hit with magic. Crit will no doubt be lower but i'm certain you will hit alot more with a spear. On bonus spear have higher crit%.

[Juey]

ill give it a try if its a +5 spear and on greece svr.

[Criterion-]

965 mag def = 2 shotted by me yay.

[Juey]

965 mag def = 2 shotted by me yay.

I could say i one hit kill u yay too as well. Too bad we are not on same svr so thats basically pointless to discuss.

btw lv 70 nukers my svr (both hybrid and pure) can never 2 shots me with their nukes. The ONLY way nukers can kill me is knockdown and trippel stab. Something to think about regarding your "2 hits kill, yay" theori.

[Criterion-]

965 mag def = 2 shotted by me yay.

I could say i one hit kill u yay too as well. Too bad we are not on same svr so thats basically pointless to discuss.

btw lv 70 nukers my svr (both hybrid and pure) can never 2 shots me with their nukes. The ONLY way nukers can kill me is knockdown and trippel stab. Something to think about regarding your "2 hits kill, yay" theori.

Too bad 110% phys. balance sos +4 bow can only 1 shot me with highest critical on devil arrow, which you aren't even high enough level to get. I have 8512 hp and 737 phys def, gl one shotting me.

[Douken]

I'm lvl 26; I decided to go hybrid cause I like it how it is. PVPing is no fun when u don't have community features in the main site. Like u put the name of a person and will give u some info about him, Plus IMO PVPing is a waste of time when u can be SP farming for when they raise the lvl cap. I like hybrid cause I like it. BTW Im STR Glavier. No regrets.

[Criterion-]

I'm lvl 26; I decided to go hybrid cause I like it how it is. PVPing is no fun when u don't have community features in the main site. Like u put the name of a person and will give u some info about him, Plus IMO PVPing is a waste of time when u can be SP farming for when they raise the lvl cap. I like hybrid cause I like it. BTW Im STR Glavier. No regrets.

What happens when you are done sp farming then lol? All that hard work just to get owned? Good game I guess.