Warlocks, a useless primary class now?

zaets1 · Post by **zaets1** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:49 am

Ive heard good things about how warlocks are fast grinders and are a unique class. So I have made a warlock/cleric. But am now leaning towards deleting him instead. I got him to level 45 to see how good of a class they are and am disappointed.

First off, he does not get berserk that fast with level 2 strap. Heck, my rogue and wizard both get berserk faster by 1 hit KO-ing mobs. Maybe strap needs to be higher?

Second, what happened to bloody trap + sleep = paralyzed allowing you to debuff target combo. It doesn't work anymore?

Thirdly, pvp not that great either. Your like a walking target. Everyone targets you and only you for some reason. I had a level 74 warrior keep on killing me for no reason, and only me while there were plenty of other people to kill. (and i dont know him, and got no beef with him).
Same thing yesterday, a lvl 59 rogue just kept getting at me for no reason. I asked her why she had kept killing me for the past 30+ times, and she said "cause your a warlock". wtf?

So I'm wondering what use are warlocks as a primary class? Maybe they should make them a subclass since most use them that way.

jaksje · Post by **jaksje** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:30 am

Well,
1) strap does work well at higher levels, i reccomend getting strap to lvl 3/4 and then you will def see an improvement.
2) Trap + sleep does not always work, some mobs avoid it and then you just have to wait for cooldown and try again.
3) PvP, you get attacked by loners who have nothing else to do. They are probably not that good at PVP so when they see a lonley pure Int build, they go crazy on it. You can just as well run around there with a low lvl wiz or nuker and they will kill you as well..

In the end, Warlocks are a great class if you want to solo alone or in party play to debuff the harder mobs.
There are many people that use it subclass because thats how the class is known now, but i assure you, High lvl warlocks pwn with their debuffs and attacks

I had a lvl 98 rogue/bard and lost from warlocks often, and got crazy from their debuffs!!!

Now i own a lvl 38 warlock/cleric and play on a friend warlock/cleric lvl 103 sometimes

I fell in love with this class!!!
grts

zaets1 · Post by **zaets1** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:20 am

Alright thanks for the speedy reply. I shall try to get my warlock higher then.

But for the sleep + trap I don't mean mobs resist it, i meant that didnt it used to be that if you trap + sleep a mob you can debuff/attack without waking them up until the trap explodes?

aishsharma · Post by **aishsharma** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:35 am

I believe the sleep trap bug is fixed now.

HOW can you not get zerk fast? even on slow grind it shouldn't take more than 2 minutes give or take to fill up ur zerk bar.

As for 3rd, Those people are what most of us call noobs and are named so most aptly, best to ignore and run away.

Ningyotsukai-san · Post by **Ningyotsukai-san** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:01 am

Strap being higher would help, as the % for the chance of gaining a berserker orb raises the higher it is.

As for the Trap + Sleep bug, it is indeed fixed, from another thread:

Ningyotsukai-san wrote:
firefinal1 wrote:Well warlock @ pvp still has "bugs"

Trap + Sleep = free chance for offering. (Cuz the char will stay sleep status till trap comes up.)

Lol...

The Trap + Sleep bug can no longer be used. After 3+ years of it, it's finally been fixed!!

Spoiler!

I know there's no lock rod in my hand, was just gonna trap + sleep & punch (why my inventory's open), but that was taking too long as you can see in it's hp / Cooldown on sleep....but anyways, I put disease on...

Went on to using the bug

Switched to Daggers, did a normal attack...

As you can see, it no longer works (better if I could make a video, but eh ... no reason to lie)

I will miss using it on Party Giants, though ...

and for the PvP bit, that happens to a lot of people. Whenever I'm out at the general PvP area, there's always some higher level that keeps killing me for whatever reason: Ego Boosting, Beserker Orbs, or just they're bored and I'm the easiest target to them.

Though to answer your main post: No, it's not a useless Primary class. Though, it will face some problems concerning PvP whenever faced against those with a Cleric sub (or have an annoying outside cleric buffing / curing / healing them constantly), but only to a certain degree.

ltsune · Post by **ltsune** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:06 pm

You've already gotten some great replies to this thread. I would like to point out though, that the reason why many people say that warlocks are fast grinders (and they are), is that they think about the dot/run strategy. Basically it's about using only your dot skills (against giants and party mobs you can use other skills). So basically, this is how it works:
You use one to two of your dot skills on one enemy
Run towards the next enemy (before the old one is dead)
Use another two dots on this mob
Run to another mob again (the first mob should soon be dead now)
Use two dots again
Repeat!

This might sound weird, but this way you'll lvl extremely fast AND your bezerk bar will fill extremely fast. If you get in troubles because the first mob you killed isn't dead yet, and they keep hitting on you, all you have to do is use the hp-draining skill and then repeat what I wrote above.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:33 pm

A class can't fail. Only Joymax fails.

XesoS · Post by **XesoS** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:49 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:A class can't fail. Only Joymax fails.

This .

PureStr · Post by **PureStr** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:14 pm

jaksje wrote:Warlocks are a great class if you want to solo alone

I though solo was always alone...?

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:29 pm

why would delete him? -.-

just don't play that char anymore.

zaets1 · Post by **zaets1** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:57 pm

As for the Trap + Sleep bug, it is indeed fixed

So the trap + sleep bug is fixed I was hoping to be able to try it out myself and I thought that's one of the things that makes warlocks unique.

HOW can you not get zerk fast? even on slow grind it shouldn't take more than 2 minutes give or take to fill up ur zerk bar.

I dont know. I time how fast I get it with the bless cooldown. Sometimes the bar fills up even before the cooldown is over but sometimes it barely fills even after cooldown.

I've heard they fixed the berserk chance making it lower? I found someone saying this on a Youtube warlock grinding video:

bradstheman123: dude how the hell are you getting zerk that fast? Im too am a Warlock/bard and I have the passive "Strap" skill which increases zerk chance but Im still getting it slow like full zerk every 10~15min

Guess Im not as lucky as you -.-

@bradstheman123 Beleave it or not, i noticed the thing ur saying. Like, not so long ago i created a diffrent lock/bard (diffrent server and so on) and i too noticed that some chars are a bit diffrent. This bardlock was noticably slower on collecting zerk and the only thing that was diffrent from the lock on this video was that it was a female charecter. Well, i dont think that Joymax smth against women haha but may i ask, is ur charecter female or male???

Could be false though and just based on luck.

Thanks for all the replies. I will go ahead with training my warlock further and pwn those int killers.

jaksje · Post by **jaksje** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:42 pm

PureStr wrote:
jaksje wrote:Warlocks are a great class if you want to solo alone

I though solo was always alone...?

stfu or ill give you an Ali shuffle!

ltsune · Post by **ltsune** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:55 pm

I answered the question already. The fastest way to gain bezerk as a Warlock is the dot, run, dot, run, dot, run. Not run like in "escape" but run like in, run to the next mob (explained in my comment above).

ClairePinnholey · Post by **ClairePinnholey** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:12 pm

Warlocks still rape chn on pvp. As a full garm nova s/s nuker I can't kill warlocks of lesser gear

Oryx · Post by **Oryx** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:09 am

Lol I had no idea sleep bug has been fixed, and I hand grind a 73 warlock/cleric... I guess I didn't use it very often

.

jaksje · Post by **jaksje** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:19 pm

Oryx wrote:Lol I had no idea sleep bug has been fixed, and I hand grind a 73 warlock/cleric... I guess I didn't use it very often .

Usure?

Goseki · Post by **Goseki** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:02 pm

ClairePinnholey wrote:Warlocks still rape chn on pvp. As a full garm nova s/s nuker I can't kill warlocks of lesser gear

You must suck...

jaksje · Post by **jaksje** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:20 pm

Goseki wrote:
ClairePinnholey wrote:Warlocks still rape chn on pvp. As a full garm nova s/s nuker I can't kill warlocks of lesser gear

You must suck...

+1

btw Goseki you do IB?

Goseki · Post by **Goseki** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:31 am

jaksje wrote:
Goseki wrote:
ClairePinnholey wrote:Warlocks still rape chn on pvp. As a full garm nova s/s nuker I can't kill warlocks of lesser gear

You must suck...

+1

btw Goseki you do IB?

Years ago. I started SRO around my last year of IB.

Post by **Gaigemasta** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:34 am

lol I forgot warlocks existed :dope:

sandsnip3r · Post by **sandsnip3r** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:45 am

Warlocks are a pain in the assss to fight, they'll tear you a new one.

Oryx · Post by **Oryx** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:52 am

jaksje wrote:
Oryx wrote:Lol I had no idea sleep bug has been fixed, and I hand grind a 73 warlock/cleric... I guess I didn't use it very often .

Usure?

Yep, otherwise I wouldn't be lvl 73 when many people who used to be my level or lower are now 90+.

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