What you think about gun control?

[*BlackFox]

What are your thoughts on gun control? They're dangerous weapons!
Well, don't you think that... Stricter gun control laws do reduce crime?
and most gun deaths are the result of someone firing against family members by accident.

Please tell me if you are for, against or undecided of gun control.

[Toasty]

We dont allow guns in UK.

There barely are any guns in UK.

So there's barely any gun crime in the UK.


So most crime resort to weapons such as knives instead.. which i'd prefer over guns. So yaa.. if i was american (i'm guessing?).. i would want stricter gun control.

[EvGa]

Poll appears to have two sections, but we're only allowed one choice.

I picked 'no' and given another vote would have chosen: "I own a gun and support gun ownership. (State why?)"

Why? I like to hunt. I like to go to the range. I like the ability to protect myself, friends, and family from gun toting criminals who don't give a shit about some "no guns allowed" law.

Let me ask you this: How well do "no gun zones" stop school shooters?

Hint: They don't.

Location: Texas

[CeLL]

2 words, backgroundchecks and training.

[Toasty]

Poll appears to have two sections, but we're only allowed one choice.

I picked 'no' and given another vote would have chosen: "I own a gun and support gun ownership. (State why?)"

Why? I like to hunt. I like to go to the range. I like the ability to protect myself, friends, and family from gun toting criminals who don't give a shit about some "no guns allowed" law.

Let me ask you this: How well do "no gun zones" stop school shooters?

Hint: They don't.

Location: Texas

Its too late for you americans. Theres no going back now. If i lived in somewhere where guns were allowed, or where bordered countries were allowed.. i would without doubt want a gun.

But UK.. love there being no guns here. Only really farmers with their crappy rifles.

[CeLL]

so if the government in the uk wants to take control of its citizen unjustly, it wouldnt be very difficult would it?

[Toasty]

so if the government in the uk wants to take control of its citizen unjustly, it wouldnt be very difficult would it?

No.


Nor would it be in the US.

You really think cowboys with guns are going to make any difference. You have no power.

[CeLL]

you understimate hilbilies my friend.

[*BlackFox]

Poll appears to have two sections, but we're only allowed one choice.

Well.. Behold! It's fixed! lulz "You can select up to 2 options"

[Love]

criminals never lack means to rip people heads off, guns laws aren't protecting, the contrary.

[Jstar1]

you can't touch 2nd amendment but there should be better laws to prevent criminals and mental people from buying guns and better system to enforce those laws. Virginia tech shooter anyone?

[CeLL]

criminals never lack means to rip people heads off, guns laws aren't protecting, the contrary.

yes.

[McLovin1t]

Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being. We need much stricter gun laws, and sorry to break it to you Cell, background checks and training aren't going to stop (il)legal gun purchases in the real world. We wouldn't need to worry about people committing gun crimes if they didn't have guns at all, thereby eliminating the need of a gun to protect yourself.
The scenario with an innocent person carrying a gun with them around the city, getting mugged, and safely fighting back the mugger is hundreds of times less prevalent than someone obtaining a gun (il)legally, and using it for a negative cause.
Look at the statistics, according to the movie Bowling for Columbine, the US has about 11000 gun deaths per year.
Canada - about 30. The UK, about 60. Not only is it the cause of incredibly lenient gun laws I will admit; but if we crack down on guns , work on welfare, and improve the lower class we can drastically reduce violence in the United States.

[cpinney]

[CeLL]

Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being.

o you mean like knives, or bleach, or piano wire, or fire...

[Jstar1]

There are way too many social differences and factors to make a legit comparison between switzerland and the US on guns. First of all, its mandatory military training there and there is a better education standard on guns. In america, any dumbass with a clean record can get a gun and use it without formal training or education. The reason why every guy has a rifle in his house is so that switzerland can basically mobilize an insta-army in like a week if war breaks out because pretty much every guy there can become a soldier. thats what happened in WWII and germany ended up not even attacking the swiss because of their manpower.

Also, switzerland is a homogenous country, not much room for racial or social tension. There is no big reason for people to be mean to each other. America on the other hand has lots of social tension and there are many different kinds of people, which opens up a lot of possibilities for mistrust, stereotypes, etc.

Also, a lot of criminals come from poor backgrounds, poverty, bad family structure, drug use, etc etc. This is why there is so much crime and gun deaths in the US compared to european countries. Is there a lot of poverty in the US? yes. Is the divorce rate 50% in the US? yes. Is there increasing drug use in the US? yes. You don't see these kind of problems in switzerland.

tl;dr - switzerland is too different from America to make a meaningful comparison on gun laws and gun deaths.

[satman83]

We dont allow guns in UK.

There barely are any guns in UK.

So there's barely any gun crime in the UK.


So most crime resort to weapons such as knives instead.. which i'd prefer over guns. So yaa.. if i was american (i'm guessing?).. i would want stricter gun control.

HAHAHA...mate are you joking right?
am living in West London...guys are fking everywhere on the streets. From
the drug dealers in greenford to the Russian mob in Ealing.

You can buy a fully loaded gun in London for under £100

[Toasty]

We dont allow guns in UK.

There barely are any guns in UK.

So there's barely any gun crime in the UK.


So most crime resort to weapons such as knives instead.. which i'd prefer over guns. So yaa.. if i was american (i'm guessing?).. i would want stricter gun control.

HAHAHA...mate are you joking right?
am living in West London...guys are fking everywhere on the streets. From
the drug dealers in greenford to the Russian mob in Ealing.

You can buy a fully loaded gun in London for under £100

UK has barely any gun crime compared to other countries.

London has the most in England.. but it still isnt much.

5 years ago.. but still - http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

[satman83]

Its gottan a lot lot worse...most of europe has now as well.
At least in America its all regulated, guns are owned and can be traced.
Over here its all underground, so its hard for Tridant (UK special
anit-fireman police) to deal with it all .

[McLovin1t]

There are way too many social differences and factors to make a legit comparison between switzerland and the US on guns. First of all, its mandatory military training there and there is a better education standard on guns. In america, any dumbass with a clean record can get a gun and use it without formal training or education. The reason why every guy has a rifle in his house is so that switzerland can basically mobilize an insta-army in like a week if war breaks out because pretty much every guy there can become a soldier. thats what happened in WWII and germany ended up not even attacking the swiss because of their manpower.

Also, switzerland is a homogenous country, not much room for racial or social tension. There is no big reason for people to be mean to each other. America on the other hand has lots of social tension and there are many different kinds of people, which opens up a lot of possibilities for mistrust, stereotypes, etc.

Also, a lot of criminals come from poor backgrounds, poverty, bad family structure, drug use, etc etc. This is why there is so much crime and gun deaths in the US compared to european countries. Is there a lot of poverty in the US? yes. Is the divorce rate 50% in the US? yes. Is there increasing drug use in the US? yes. You don't see these kind of problems in switzerland.

tl;dr - switzerland is too different from America to make a meaningful comparison on gun laws and gun deaths.

I was about to write this, good job.
The homogeneous part is the most important imo, basically to sum it up, in America more guns = bad, and in a more educated, homogeneous, equal country, IT WOULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER THERE WERE GUNS OR NOT, THE CRIME RATE WOULD STILL BE THE LOWEST.

Its gottan a lot lot worse...most of europe has now as well.
At least in America its all regulated, guns are owned and can be traced.
Over here its all underground, so its hard for Tridant (UK special
anit-fireman police) to deal with it all .

Can't tell if srs? There are thousands of unpunished gunrelated crimes in the US yearly. In 2010, from January to April in Chicago, there were 120 gun related deaths. It was less safe there than Baghdad.

[CeLL]

i also like how you underscore actual assistance to people as a means to subvert crime. while insisting that removing a tool from sales would be the greatest means of stopping deaths. of course if you remove the guns less people will die by gun related means. more will die by other means also. at the rate the latins are pouring into our country, getting guns will not be difficult. they would simply need to work their way north. i think if we stop selling lighters and matches, fire related deaths would go down. and if we stopped selling house hold cleaners, the rate of childeren being poisened by their psychotic parent(s) with pinesol are bleach would go down. hey while were at it. lets grind all the rocks into dust so no one can throw them at people.

[McLovin1t]

i also like how you underscore actual assistance to people as a means to subvert crime. while insisting that removing a tool from sales would be the greatest means of stopping deaths. of course if you remove the guns less people will die by gun related means. more will die by other means also. at the rate the latins are pouring into our country, getting guns will not be difficult. they would simply need to work their way north. i think if we stop selling lighters and matches, fire related deaths would go down. and if we stopped selling house hold cleaners, the rate of childeren being poisened by their psychotic parent(s) with pinesol are bleach would go down. hey while were at it. lets grind all the rocks into dust so no one can throw them at people.

Are you trolling?
How many pinesol deaths are there per year? Where is the proof that any other weapon would be as deadly as a gun in the US. Please stop with the racist speculation, and I'm tired of your ridiculous arguments, "the latins," jeez dude I didn't realize how ignorant you were until now.

[Toasty]

i also like how you underscore actual assistance to people as a means to subvert crime. while insisting that removing a tool from sales would be the greatest means of stopping deaths. of course if you remove the guns less people will die by gun related means. more will die by other means also. at the rate the latins are pouring into our country, getting guns will not be difficult. they would simply need to work their way north. i think if we stop selling lighters and matches, fire related deaths would go down. and if we stopped selling house hold cleaners, the rate of childeren being poisened by their psychotic parent(s) with pinesol are bleach would go down. hey while were at it. lets grind all the rocks into dust so no one can throw them at people.

You realise.. guns are designed to be good with killing stuff in mind.

[CeLL]

... lighters are designed to be good with fire stuff in mind.

[dom]

What is goal of gun control?

Stopping gun violence.

It's not the guy with a hunting rifle or even the people that go to shooting ranges that were worried about; it's the gangs and fraternal organizations.

I don't really think they would be impacted with tightening laws. The guns they hold are usually illegally obtained.

That leaves you with two options:
(1) No guns for anyone
(2) No restrictions for anyone

You need to focus on the people that commit crimes rather than their guns.

[McLovin1t]

What is goal of gun control?

Stopping gun violence.

It's not the guy with a hunting rifle or even the people that go to shooting ranges that were worried about; it's the gangs and fraternal organizations.

I don't really think they would be impacted with tightening laws. The guns they hold are usually illegally obtained.

That leaves you with two options:
(1) No guns for anyone
(2) No restrictions for anyone

You need to focus on the people that commit crimes rather than their guns.

I see what you're saying, however it's fundamentally incorrect. Tighter gun laws not only make it harder for people to get guns (many crime-perpetrators get them legally such as the Virginia Tech incident), but making the punishments much stricter adds to the deterring value, which would in turn make people more hesitant to hold a gun illegally, and if they are caught (plenty of people are caught now with an illegal gun, then are back in the street in 3 months to a year in the US).
One case where restricting a weapon worked was with the Ammonium Nitrate laws, since the Oklahoma City bombing, there have been no problems with explosives in that family. Now if we can do the same with guns, imagine the benefits. I understand the last example wasn't necessarily completely accurate, however the same can apply.

EDIT:
Also, making gun laws stricter across the board reduces the amount of illegal guns dramatically. For example, most illegal guns in New York are brought from states with much less strict gun laws such as Virginia, and if the laws were stricter in both areas, the gun market would be much more shallow, and if the laws were enforced strongly, than the guns would possibly not even transfer at all.

[dom]

What is goal of gun control?

Stopping gun violence.

It's not the guy with a hunting rifle or even the people that go to shooting ranges that were worried about; it's the gangs and fraternal organizations.

I don't really think they would be impacted with tightening laws. The guns they hold are usually illegally obtained.

That leaves you with two options:
(1) No guns for anyone
(2) No restrictions for anyone

You need to focus on the people that commit crimes rather than their guns.

I see what you're saying, however it's fundamentally incorrect. Tighter gun laws not only make it harder for people to get guns (many crime-perpetrators get them legally such as the Virginia Tech incident), but making the punishments much stricter adds to the deterring value, which would in turn make people more hesitant to hold a gun illegally, and if they are caught (plenty of people are caught now with an illegal gun, then are back in the street in 3 months to a year in the US).
One case where restricting a weapon worked was with the Ammonium Nitrate laws, since the Oklahoma City bombing, there have been no problems with explosives in that family. Now if we can do the same with guns, imagine the benefits. I understand the last example wasn't necessarily completely accurate, however the same can apply.

You talk like people who buy guns to shoot people get them from the store. It doesn't matter how hard the government makes it to buy guns, you can always go downtown and pick one up quick.

The Virginia Tech example is ridiculous. If you want to kill people and are not worried about surviving it, nothing is stopping you from making a bomb, bringing a knife, getting an illegally or legally obtained gun, or just driving a car into people.

If I really wanted to kill people and I couldn't get my hands on a gun, why wouldn't I just take rat poison and dump it into food at a buffet place?

The problem is not the gun, its law enforcement in general. Blaming guns for violent crime is like blaming your shoes in a footrace when you're morbidly obese. Let's stop making excuses.

Longer or mandatory sentencing is trivial at best. Carrying guns isn't the problem, it's shooting at people. I have a hard time believing that someone that is about to shoot someone will take the time and rationalize if the extra year or two are really worth taking the shot.

The only thing that should be questioned here is why someone that just got out of jail is willing to go back on the streets and pick up where they left off.

It's a social issue.

[EvGa]

Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being. We need much stricter gun laws, and sorry to break it to you Cell, background checks and training aren't going to stop (il)legal gun purchases in the real world. We wouldn't need to worry about people committing gun crimes if they didn't have guns at all, thereby eliminating the need of a gun to protect yourself.
The scenario with an innocent person carrying a gun with them around the city, getting mugged, and safely fighting back the mugger is hundreds of times less prevalent than someone obtaining a gun (il)legally, and using it for a negative cause.
Look at the statistics, according to the movie Bowling for Columbine, the US has about 11000 gun deaths per year.
Canada - about 30. The UK, about 60. Not only is it the cause of incredibly lenient gun laws I will admit; but if we crack down on guns , work on welfare, and improve the lower class we can drastically reduce violence in the United States.

And then you woke up.

Welcome back to reality.

[Gaigemasta]

I know if there is more guns, there is more crime. BUT I think we need guns at all times, or our government will be hard to overthrow if ever needed, they would end us

[Ningyotsukai-san]

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