Hybrid or Pure Blader?

[_c0nflict_]

Hey all,


Im currently farming a new character on Apollo and want to know which route i should take. I know i want to make a blader with Bich 110 and Fire 110. At first i thought i would stick with the old trust pure str. Then, I met a guy on server that was 2:1 STR hybrid and he was very effective, and that got me thinking....

I originally wanted: 110 Bich 110 Fire 110 Ice, but if i roll hybrid, that would mean my mag damage would be more influential and the 20% mag increase from light could really help, yet i dont want to lose ice for the tankability and possible freezing.

Any opinions would be great!

[Erins0]

I would stick with the "old" pure blader, if you want a hybrid build stick with the spear/nuker or bow/force, it wouldnt be a good call to go with hybrid blader, your decreasing its tanking/survivability. You need to understand the Blader is not a killer its a tanker.

Lets say a 110 Hybrid Blader pvped a 110 Pure Blader with same gear, same plus and same blues/whites etc, In the end I would say the pure blader might win (im saying might because anything can happen, down to skill at the end of the day). But more times then not the Pure Blader would win just because it could survive alot longer and still hit pritty hard, all it would need is the debuffs and a good crit and the Hybrid Blader would be screwed.

Tbh its down to what your like, by all means try it out but at the end of the day it might be a waste of your time if you get to 110 in a years time and find out Hybrid Bladers suck balls.

Play it safe and go with what you know will work or be a man and have the balls to try something new (unlike me hehe).

[Tia]

well, u can try it on a private server, but it doesnt have debuffs so that would be a problem too but i would try it on a private server first with like 30x rates (zszc, swsro) can also tyr sjsro, cuz its better to say waste a month getting capped in a private server then in isro

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

well, u can try it on a private server, but it doesnt have debuffs so that would be a problem too but i would try it on a private server first with like 30x rates (zszc, swsro) can also tyr sjsro, cuz its better to say waste a month getting capped in a private server then in isro

yup, this is the best way to find out.
i don't know if the debuffs will be of much relevance.
Only if you plan to get to higher than lvl 72 but i think 8d is enough to evaluate the overall strength a bit

[XMoshe]

well, u can try it on a private server, but it doesnt have debuffs so that would be a problem too but i would try it on a private server first with like 30x rates (zszc, swsro) can also tyr sjsro, cuz its better to say waste a month getting capped in a private server then in isro

yup, this is the best way to find out.
i don't know if the debuffs will be of much relevance.
Only if you plan to get to higher than lvl 72 but i think 8d is enough to evaluate the overall strength a bit

versus mobs maybe, but comparing it against other players wont be that precise since at (9d)/10d/11d you'll have much better gear than at 8d and lower.

I think you should stick with pure, honestly I haven't seen a good hybrid str myself and I have pvped ALOT.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

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snow shield of 40% is reached at lvl 60 already
and half of the opponents will be immune euro clerics
the most significant changes will be the higher multipliers and the crit enhanced stab attack

[XMoshe]

And npc gear/weps/accessories versus +5 or higher/FB/good whites items at 90+

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

And npc gear/weps/accessories versus +5 or higher/FB/good whites items at 90+

there are quite a few people below 9d who have their stuff better than +3 you know

[XMoshe]

And npc gear/weps/accessories versus +5 or higher/FB/good whites items at 90+

there are quite a few people below 9d who have their stuff better than +3 you know

I know, but on average it's just a moment where you want to try the skills out but not waste money on good items so they just take bad items and maybe a sox weapon.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

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but unlike isro, you have a droprate of 30x
which enables you to make an at least average suit in a matter of hours.
Money isn't a problem if you can make it to lvl 20 with 10m in store

blues may not apply because the alc. system isn't updated, but still that should give an slight evaluation about how good/bad the build is

[XMoshe]

He's farming on apollo? But yeah I guess if he tries it in a private server. Even then if he makes a decent set that doesn't mean the opponent has one, the dmg will be even more off then.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

1vs1 pvp normally implies knowing how strong your opponent's set is.

i tested my bower on esro at knockback level against a guy with 3 chars
each pure str of a different weapon.

we went from full +1 to +4 sets vs each other to assess the build strength.
As i said, the new damage multipliers will change the battlefield, the sets are the factors that can be optimized at will

[_c0nflict_]

He's farming on apollo? But yeah I guess if he tries it in a private server. Even then if he makes a decent set that doesn't mean the opponent has one, the dmg will be even more off then.

Yeah, and thanks for the input guys.

Im still pretty undecided at this point. I like the idea of tanking with a pure blader but i also want more killing power. Ive gone my way with pure ints, and im just generally tired of them. lol Any more suggestions, maybe even changing to Bow or Glaive? just any build that focuses on STR rather than INT.

[S3by]

U allready have low dmg as pure , going hibrid woud make you delete your char at higher lvl .

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

U allready have low dmg as pure , going hibrid woud make you delete your char at higher lvl .

so that means you deal less damage as a hybrid?
i've been wondering wether you've actually had a high lvl hybrid or not

OT:

for an evaluation of hybrid builds closest to your 2:1 ---> 70:70's

Spoiler!

as for taking a pure build...
bladers need a few crits/debuffs (mostly knockdown as well) to kill
bowers don't really have much of a damage problem with the crit enhancing moves
glaive only need a random crit or 2 and ghost spear to kill

if tanking and damage are your main criteria,
take glaive.
sure you won't have the full tankage of a bicheon user,
but when in doubt, whip a shield out. The massive hp with the additional def. and block will save you many times.
During your damage phase, you will be concentrating on getting stun or dull on the opponent and waiting for a heavy crit.

Bow would be a bit too knockback dependant to call a tank,
as the most aggressive build, you'd defend by attacking, if you can't do that you have to hope the opponent does not get the crit he needs to slay you.

[XMoshe]

U allready have low dmg as pure , going hibrid woud make you delete your char at higher lvl .

Lol, gotta agree with pan. Do you ever had a higher lvl hybrid? or atleast experience with it rofl. Hybrid damage will be higher but the hp loss and lower crit dmg will kill you in the end. From my experience atleast. Str builds are crit dependent to kill so why take it away.

Read pan's comment for the rest of my thoughts haha. Just don't spam ghost spear as a glaive, wait for a time you think it can either finish the guy off or you think you will get a crit. Sometimes you can also use it and hope for a kb while a rogue is loading his prick or warrior doing his daredevil ofcourse. An archer can just do kb -> (another kb is optional) -> fire wall/ice wall to get out of trouble when his hp is low.

[_c0nflict_]

U allready have low dmg as pure , going hibrid woud make you delete your char at higher lvl .

so that means you deal less damage as a hybrid?
i've been wondering wether you've actually had a high lvl hybrid or not

OT:

for an evaluation of hybrid builds closest to your 2:1 ---> 70:70's

Spoiler!

as for taking a pure build...
bladers need a few crits/debuffs (mostly knockdown as well) to kill
bowers don't really have much of a damage problem with the crit enhancing moves
glaive only need a random crit or 2 and ghost spear to kill

if tanking and damage are your main criteria,
take glaive.
sure you won't have the full tankage of a bicheon user,
but when in doubt, whip a shield out. The massive hp with the additional def. and block will save you many times.
During your damage phase, you will be concentrating on getting stun or dull on the opponent and waiting for a heavy crit.

Bow would be a bit too knockback dependant to call a tank,
as the most aggressive build, you'd defend by attacking, if you can't do that you have to hope the opponent does not get the crit he needs to slay you.

Thanks dude and xMoshe...

Ive elected to go with glaive, bc i like how pure str pvps, and i wanna try a glaive, which will give me tanking ability, and nice damage/crits.

My question now, is what build? (110 Cap) Heuksal/Fire/Light90/Cold20?
or just Fire/Cold/Heuksal?

[_Equal_]

just Fire/Cold/Heuksal

[XMoshe]

If you can farm go 110 Heuk/Fire/Ice or switch ice out for force. If you can't/don't want to farm you can think about going 110 Heuk/Fire with 90/80 Light and 20/30 Ice to save sp, it will still be a decent overall build but if you have the chance I would go for Fire/Ice.

[omier]

Go Force Glaiver.

[reyvenb]

Pure STR Blader of course. If you're going for hybrid build, just use another Chinese weapon but definitely NOT a blade.