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EvGa wrote:Dawkins says it best:



After reading the OP, the first thing that came to my mind were these beginning words of Unweaving the Rainbow. F*cking love that book.

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I agree with whats been said: live life and enjoy it before it's over.

However, what is living life but just the way your brain perceives time? As Einstein concluded, space and time are just things we observe. Time is relative. We perceive our lives in a timeline fashion, but that's because it's the only way we can comprehend it. Moments of deja vu, lucid dreams, and even sleep itself breaks this delicate timeline.

When approaching death, everything becomes theoretical. So here's another theory: After death, time sort of resets itself. The way we piece our conscience together suggests that after we die, perhaps our conscience just reloads to when we were born. Maybe I'm afraid of death, maybe I'm fearful, but it's still a possibility.
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NO_SILK_4_ME wrote:When approaching death, everything becomes theoretical. So here's another theory: After death, time sort of resets itself. The way we piece our conscience together suggests that after we die, perhaps our conscience just reloads to when we were born. Maybe I'm afraid of death, maybe I'm fearful, but it's still a possibility.

Consciousness being a manifestation of physical processes in your brain, where will it manifest itself after death if the physical medium that caused it is gone?
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I look at it this way:

Matter is never truly destroyed, it only changes forms. So naturally you would expect that each of the components that make you you, are never really gone. Death to me is more or less that waiting period between when your physical body is in one piece. You die, millions/billions/whatever years pass, and "you" will eventually reform as a conscious being. Like sciency reincarnation. Granted the process could take an unfathomably long time to come full circle, but "you" won't be conscious of any of it until you are born again with a blank slate.
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Reise wrote:I look at it this way:

Matter is never truly destroyed, it only changes forms. So naturally you would expect that each of the components that make you you, are never really gone. Death to me is more or less that waiting period between when your physical body is in one piece. You die, millions/billions/whatever years pass, and "you" will eventually reform as a conscious being. Like sciency reincarnation. Granted the process could take an unfathomably long time to come full circle, but "you" won't be conscious of any of it until you are born again with a blank slate.


thats what I was hoping, since we'd be dead we can't keep track of time so I figured that's what would happen, thankfully it'd feel like nothing to get to that point again
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I've been thinking about this alot too I mean we die then what. There's nothing, at least from my point of view, I mean I'm 16 and a half already I'll be 18 soon then 20 then time will fly by after that I mean it sucks. We die then what nothing it's over.
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EvGa wrote:
NO_SILK_4_ME wrote:When approaching death, everything becomes theoretical. So here's another theory: After death, time sort of resets itself. The way we piece our conscience together suggests that after we die, perhaps our conscience just reloads to when we were born. Maybe I'm afraid of death, maybe I'm fearful, but it's still a possibility.

Consciousness being a manifestation of physical processes in your brain, where will it manifest itself after death if the physical medium that caused it is gone?


Obviously your conscience is gone after death. I'm talking more about your conscience skipping from the end of the timeline back to the beginning.
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After your mind and your existence dies out, what if it continously plays the last thoughts it had for all eternity, kind of like a coma.
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NO_SILK_4_ME wrote:I'm talking more about your conscience skipping from the end of the timeline back to the beginning.

VforVendetta wrote:After your mind and your existence dies out, what if it continously plays the last thoughts it had for all eternity, kind of like a coma.


Where is this consciousness, experience, 'stuff', whatever you want to call it, going to occur once your physical brain has died and is gone? :?
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EvGa wrote:
NO_SILK_4_ME wrote:I'm talking more about your conscience skipping from the end of the timeline back to the beginning.

VforVendetta wrote:After your mind and your existence dies out, what if it continously plays the last thoughts it had for all eternity, kind of like a coma.


Where is this consciousness, experience, 'stuff', whatever you want to call it, going to occur once your physical brain has died and is gone? :?


Gotta tell ya, the harder I try to think of an answer and try to find any sort of solution my head starts hurting. But all I can think of is that its somewhat like a deep comatose state.
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VforVendetta wrote:Gotta tell ya, the harder I try to think of an answer and try to find any sort of solution my head starts hurting. But all I can think of is that its somewhat like a deep comatose state.

You can't be in a coma if you're dead and your brain matter is no longer functional. :P

My point here is: As far as we tell and in my opinion, consciousness and all things we experience are manifestation of physical processes in the brain, autopoietic processes and feedback loops. For you to experience anything after death your brain would have to still be functioning, if this was the case you wouldn't be dead. Your brain ceases to function after death so there is no way and nothing to experience, nada.
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EvGa wrote:
VforVendetta wrote:Gotta tell ya, the harder I try to think of an answer and try to find any sort of solution my head starts hurting. But all I can think of is that its somewhat like a deep comatose state.

You can't be in a coma if you're dead and your brain matter is no longer functional. :P

My point here is: As far as we tell and in my opinion, consciousness and all things we experience are manifestation of physical processes in the brain, autopoietic processes and feedback loops. For you to experience anything after death your brain would have to still be functioning, if this was the case you wouldn't be dead. Your brain ceases to function after death so there is no way and nothing to experience, nada.


You're entirely right, but its definetly harder to think of a logical answer to IF something does happen then to nothing happening. I guess its just wishful thinking kinda like religions.
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MrJoey wrote:Who says I'm obsessed with dying? Once in a while I'll give it a few thoughts, but otherwise I figure what will happen, will happen and there's nothing I can do about it. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

It was directed at the op, sorry mate. I just quoted what you said for the Santa part, sorry for any misconfusion lol.
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please no religious shit

>Reincarnation

When you're dead you're dead. If you follow an organized religion or have similar train of thoughts then when you're dead you go to a "better place," but let's be serious. Maybe death really is that "better place." Of course, that's implying life sucks. Which, for some, it does. Personally, I think life is awesome and there's to much worth living for to be constantly bothered by thoughts of "death," or what will happen when you die. It's really not relevant. You'll just stress yourself out, attempt suicide for the sake of "knowing" what's on "the other side," and get depressed when you fail. So try to relax before you hurt yourself or loved ones.
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when you die and be decayed , your dead body will help some trees to grow , and someone will eat its fruits and it will turn into energy that help his body making sperm , which will be a baby later , which will be you again.
and that's if you're one of the lucky sperms that survive , you will keep rolling until you win a new life , in this time you won't feel , you'll be an inanimate

just enjoy yourlife , no one here died before to tell you the truth about death
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the thing with death is: YOU can't regret that you're dead.
YOU CAN regret getting an STD.

^^ using this for my point.

When you're about to die, you'll be o shit, then it'll be over, and gone. There's nothing to regret, because there is just none.
If you're not alive, you can't regret shit.

Death is no fault, no shame, no disgrace. Maybe there is, but it won't be your problem anymore.
YOU don't have to worry about shit once you die. The people around you will, but that will be no problem to you.

Getting an STD is something you're able to regret, yourself.
No one around you will have a problem about it(if you don't tell, that is) and only the people you infect with it will be bothered.
You can regret that. but death is unnoticed by yourself.

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