Today is "Draw Mohammad Day" on Facebook

[Love]

So if people were sending death threats to someone who started a "draw a black man getting whipped by a white man-day" you would support that as well?

so is mohammad the oppressed black man or the oppressing white man? wtf are you saying?

White people draw a picture of a tortured black man -> a few black people send death threats -> You guys support white people.

Really so hard to understand?

Im saying that it would the same, one is done to insult islam and the other to insult black people.

BTW, im not a muslim so I sure as hell am not biased, just saying before someone makes a stupid claim that I in someway am.

Not even going to bother with Love

I do not wish to offend you again, plz think before you speak, is not that hard, just look at your own text.

Oh god, some people have hard time to understand the whole point of the thread shame.
Once again, Love you must understand Religion is for our(your) selfs, not for others to judge it, cause i won't judge others either. No cut the shit about trying to disprove something here, scientist couldn't, so you can't

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Science has disproved religion more times that I can punch you in the face, I thought that would be clever because you are a boxer.

[asusi]

Science has disproved religion more times that I can punch you in the face, I thought that would be clever because you are a boxer.

evidence? or it didn't happen? ( i mean real evidence not internetz self-made shit).

[Love]

Science has disproved religion more times that I can punch you in the face, I thought that would be clever because you are a boxer.

evidence? or it didn't happen? ( i mean real evidence not internetz self-made shit).

bible says the earth is 6000 years old ....

bible a.k.a. the word of god says the earth is flat and has four corners ( this one i could be pulling out of my ass, would like to point that out ) ....

bible says god is a perfect being, if any of these is not true then none is.

Those are the easy ones, I would hate to mention how a perfectly moral being allows people to be killed, get raped, abused, etc ( not perfectly moral, not perfect ) or my favorite one, the sinless jew who just happens to have an ever increasing stock in sin:

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

[asusi]

Science has disproved religion more times that I can punch you in the face, I thought that would be clever because you are a boxer.

evidence? or it didn't happen? ( i mean real evidence not internetz self-made shit).

bible says the earth is 6000 years old ....

bible a.k.a. the word of god says the earth is flat and has four corners ( this one i could be pulling out of my ass, would like to point that out ) ....

bible says god is a perfect being, if any of these is not true then none is.

Those are the easy ones, I would hate to mention how a perfectly moral being allows people to be killed, get raped, abused, etc ( not perfectly moral, not perfect ) or my favorite one, the sinless jew who just happens to have an ever increasing stock in sin:

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

You know that some EU science believe that earth doesn't exist for thousands millions years, like most of them believe?

[Love]

>.>

Just tell me when you are rdy to come kill me, my father, and my mother; if you know anything about the bible you will understand that.

[Barotix]

bible says the earth is 6000 years old

Some men interpret the bible as saying the Earth is 6k years old, there is no explicit mention of the Earth's age in the bible.

bible a.k.a. the word of god says the earth is flat and has four corners

Metaphor for the Asian Continent

bible says god is a perfect being, if any of these is not true then none is

Lol. "If X is not true then Y isn't either." I don't support that train of thought but w/e floats your boat. *shrugs*

I would hate to mention how a perfectly moral being allows people to be killed, get raped, abused, etc ( not perfectly moral, not perfect

"God's morality" transcends "human morality" and isn't something that can brought down to our level. "God" is not man, don't try to define "God" with man-made constructs (irony).

Just tell me when you are rdy to come kill me, my father, and my mother; if you know anything about the bible you will understand that.

Taking metaphors literal and out of context, you remind me of people that take the psalms 4srs. There are various Genres within the Christian Holy Book. You got "historical" accounts, songs, parables, Jewish laws, and "prophecy" (Great use of foreshadowing, really sets you up for the climax!).

if you are not willing to stain your hands with blood and do all the atrocities these cults demand you to do.

:| Man. :| You should really read the bible, even if just for some laughs. Jesus, the Christian Messiah, didn't advocate half of the lunacy you see "Christians" running around supporting. Similarly. These Extremist Muslims are called extreme for a reason. What they advocate does not represent what's actually in the Quran.

[Love]

Nooooooooooooooo, you of all people >.<

We'll continue tomorrow and you don't look like a fun opponent.

Spoiler!

>.<

[Barotix]

Man, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I took just enough hours to live on campus last Semester and thought I'd read a "good" book in my spare time. Christianity, at least what Jesus advocated, is like some hippy utopian hugs and kisses view.

[asusi]

Nooooooooooooooo, you of all people >.<

We'll continue tomorrow and you don't look like a fun opponent.

Spoiler!

>.<

Opponent? Is this like a kind a game to you?
Damn.

[majincooler]

Was there any point to this other than to further insult Islam?

+1 to this.

Btw, u dont have to be a Muslim extremist to get angry on this. I'm a Muslim and what these guys did is wrong. Freedom of expression my ass.

I think making death threats towards South Park was wrong.

"qq we got made fun of like countless other organizations, individuals, movies, and anything south park can make a laugh out of"

Cry moar.

You think that making death threats towards South Park was wrong and drawing the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is not?

Thanks for making my day. I ll be waiting for the day when they will be drawing your ass while your dead.

Let me point out something. That's all what you can do. You can only draw, say shit and talk big in a virtual world. But the fact is, you can't and won't be able to erase Islam from existence.

Just my few cents.

[asusi]

You think that making death threats towards South Park was wrong and drawing the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is not?

Thanks for making my day. I ll be waiting for the day when they will be drawing your ass while your dead.

Let me point out something. That's all what you can do. You can only draw, say shit and talk big in a virtual world. But the fact is, you can't and won't be able to erase Islam from existence.

Just my few cents.

Don't reply .curve, he is just an troll, a loser who doesn't have enough braincells to understand that this is mistake, judging/insulting a religion is wrong.

[iGod]

I find it interesting we have to justify freedom of expression on a forum like this. You being offended about these, or any other drawings means absolutely nothing, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected... "I am offended by that" - well so Farking what? It's just a whine, we don't have to respect you or your religious beliefs by default, what makes you think we do?

Keep insulting people who's opinions clash with yours, keep replying to posts saying nothing and being all prissy about it afterwards, its fun to watch asusi. Oh and keep calling people idiotic sheep for not being as passive as you. :>

[CeLL]

Don't reply .curve, he is just an troll, a loser who doesn't have enough braincells to understand that this is mistake, judging/insulting a religion is wrong.

what about when a person of religion insults others is that ok?

[asusi]

Don't reply .curve, he is just an troll, a loser who doesn't have enough braincells to understand that this is mistake, judging/insulting a religion is wrong.

what about when a person of religion insults others is that ok?

Yes.

[CeLL]

well this discussion is over, you win.

[VforVendetta]

Religion sure does like to throw its toys out the pram for something as simple as common human rights.


All religions are teased, poked, made fun of, parodied on a daily basis and sure people get offended, they have a right to be offended if what is done and said differes from their point of view. But freedom of speech and criticism is non negotiable, it goes both ways and should not be snuffed out by death threats and large murderous protests on the very streets that allow them to express such freedoms.

It is ironic that they want to suppress freedom of speech in the very countries that protects their rights to do so.

[CeLL]

we dont protect anything, were the white devils. we lose. the end.

[0l3n]

Religion sure does like to throw its toys out the pram for something as simple as common human rights.


All religions are teased, poked, made fun of, parodied on a daily basis and sure people get offended, they have a right to be offended if what is done and said differes from their point of view. But freedom of speech and criticism is non negotiable, it goes both ways and should not be snuffed out by death threats and large murderous protests on the very streets that allow them to express such freedoms.

It is ironic that they want to suppress freedom of speech in the very countries that protects their rights to do so.

Well here in Sweden theres a law against Hate Speach (atleast I think thats the name for it in english), and that restircts freedom of speach to some extent in certain cases (not sure if this case fits in but I think so).

Look it up if you want to know more im no expert in the field.

Even so all is fine and dandy here in Sweden.

[strangelove]

This feels like an unresolvable situation because both groups are approaching the situation from different directions. The first group of people aren't necessarily looking at the consequences of this, but the symbolic gesture of their actions. More specifically, they're not participating in this to be racist or discriminatory (although many are) but to show resistance to religious bullying and the violent threats that come directly after portraying the prophet in any way. Those against it, however, are primarily focused on the potential consequences this could have and disregard or pay little attention to the point being made. The consequences, I think, should not be ignored knowing that the target audience for this pseudo-movement (the extremist muslim community, touting the religion of peace) have a tendency to go straight to violence as their response to these situations. I still very much oppose respecting any religion or religious belief on the basis that it is religion therefore it deserves respect. No thanks. Respect is earned.

Also, I personally didn't participate in this because 1) I don't have a Facebook account and 2) I don't believe anyone needs a special day or occasion for blasphemy.

TL;DR version: deontology vs utilitarianism, kinda.

[VforVendetta]

Religion sure does like to throw its toys out the pram for something as simple as common human rights.


All religions are teased, poked, made fun of, parodied on a daily basis and sure people get offended, they have a right to be offended if what is done and said differes from their point of view. But freedom of speech and criticism is non negotiable, it goes both ways and should not be snuffed out by death threats and large murderous protests on the very streets that allow them to express such freedoms.

It is ironic that they want to suppress freedom of speech in the very countries that protects their rights to do so.

Well here in Sweden theres something called Hate Speach (atleast I think thats the name for it in english, and that restircts freedom of speach to some extent in certain cases (not sure if this case fits in but I think so).

Look it up if you want to know more im no expert in the field.

Even so all is fine and dandy here in Sweden.

Indeed what they protested is hate speech and death threats to boot, but because the western world is so politcally correct we are afraid to speak out about it. And the only reason that their treasonous protests that wished for the death of their welcoming countries were allowed is because we are afraid. Hate speech and death threats is harrasment plain and simple, and when you suppress people from the rights to exercise their freedoms there will be a backlash as you see this, whether it being a peaceful one as we witnessed with Draw Mohammad Day.

All of this is a result of the western world's tension with all the political correctness and double standards that must be used in order to keep the minority happy. If religion is exempt from criticism then soon enough more areas of our very day lives will be and that would only bring about a spiral in which more human rights will be suppressed to keep the extremists appeased.

[0l3n]

Yeah I get that you cant bend over backwards for religion but I dont think this is the right way to fight back seeing as this doesnt only effect the muslim extremists but the more modern muslim aswell.

So while I agree the extremists need to be dealt with I dont think involving the common muslim is the right way but instead creates more tension.

[CeLL]

i think he is insisting the drawings are the hate speech and the violent threats/follow-up actions are ok. i could be wrong.

[0l3n]

i think he is insisting the drawings are the hate speech and the violent threats/follow-up actions are ok. i could be wrong.

Not saying any of it is ok, what im saying is that here in Sweden both would most likely be seen as hate speach.

[Snazzi]

i think he is insisting the drawings are the hate speech and the violent threats/follow-up actions are ok. i could be wrong.

Not saying any of it is ok, what im saying is that here in Sweden both would most likely be seen as hate speach.

What has this got to do with Sweden?

[0l3n]

i think he is insisting the drawings are the hate speech and the violent threats/follow-up actions are ok. i could be wrong.

Not saying any of it is ok, what im saying is that here in Sweden both would most likely be seen as hate speach.

What has this got to do with Sweden?

Nothing really, someone talked about freedom of speach and how we cant allow it to be, with the lack of a better word, defiled.

And I just gave an example of how restricting freedom of speach to some extent isnt bad seeing as it works fine in Sweden.

[Snazzi]

People try to stretch the freedom of speech rule as far as they can (Try to get away with as much as possible) and a lot of the times they do. It would probably be a good idea to restrict it to some extent, as they have in Sweden, but then you would get the extremists complaining about how they cannot say whatever they like. Its a two way street here.

[CeLL]

so drawing something that isnt obsene or vulgar is hate speech? im glad i dont live in your country.


and @ Barotix, since youre gonna be a dick and disable pm's

*Respect*

[inky]

Interesting... I'm only going to state my opinion on this topic once. I understand how images of Mohammad having intercourse with a pig would be highly offensive to ALL Muslims but try to put that point aside for a second. I like the idea of the event because it shows that we do not have to bend over to a religion that we do not follow - not to mention, the violent physical threats behind it. The only flaw of it is that there's a large number of angry people who are willing to go out of their way to put highly offensive pictures of Mohammad. It only creates more tension and anger among the regular Muslim community, the same way those death threats and killings from radical Muslims incited regular people to do things like this event. It's a vicious cycle.

The main problem with most mainstream religions though, is that by default (words on your holy book), they condemn a lot of people for numerous amounts of issues. Be it atheism, homosexuality, feminism (basic women's rights), and a bunch of other things. Take note that I'm talking about the religion as a whole, not the individuals who describe themselves as being part of it. Now, imagine if you're an atheist or you're gay and someone from X religion tells you that you're unworthy, that you're a sinner, that you deserve to suffer in Hell for eternity after a painful death through beheading or stoning; how do you think you would feel about this certain religion? Let's say they don't exactly follow through on the whole stoning or beheading thing - no physical harm, whatsoever - just pure verbal insults. In return, these people expect you to respect their religion for that. Now isn't that some grade-A bullshit.

tl;dr - look at the attached image.

[majincooler]

You should really try going to Israel and insulting the strict Jews there, now you will see what I am talking about. You will ofcourse have your freedom of speech there but in your graves before in your world. Let alone, the masonic culture.

For everyone that has a lot of free time posting here without pre-basic knowledge about religion, watch the series on this website, I am 100% sure you won't regret it and it will be more useful than posting here with your own beliefs. http://www.wakeupproject.com/Videos.asp The series is called "The Arrivals".

Respect.

[Love]

People try to stretch the freedom of speech rule as far as they can (Try to get away with as much as possible) and a lot of the times they do. It would probably be a good idea to restrict it to some extent, as they have in Sweden, but then you would get the extremists complaining about how they cannot say whatever they like. Its a two way street here.

There is no such thing as "People try to stretch the freedom of speech rule as far as they can" stop failing at life.

Yeah I get that you cant bend over backwards for religion but I dont think this is the right way to fight back seeing as this doesnt only effect the muslim extremists but the more modern muslim aswell.

So while I agree the extremists need to be dealt with I dont think involving the common muslim is the right way but instead creates more tension.

No1 is doing anything to any1, it's you who view things a certain way and choose to be offended. No1 needs to accommodate your sensibilities/fantasies, is as simple as that, this becomes a failwreck when you point out you don't have to be involved.