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[Macsnow]

I'd go Bicheon/Fire/Ice... damn that's such a fine build, I'm tempted myself to start one

[Phenom_]

Lol at the peeps saying Bich isnt necessary. An int character NEEDS interruptions (such as KD) to be able to survive. If you dont have a single interruption, your enemy can just sit back and enjoy wailing away at you and all you can do is nuke back.

Most high level pvps, especially against STR's, your nukes wont do enough damage to kill them fast enough, which will end in you dying.

I might of only played a nuker till 80, but switching it from heuksal to bicheon was a great choice. So long story short, Bich/Fire/Ice is a great build, probably the best Chinese int IMO, and especially well skilled for pvp

Even if you dont pvp much or at all, bicheon can still be handy to put status' on giants or pt mobs when in a party. I guess it really comes down to a personal choice. I skilled bicheon for pvp, but also because I just like to bust it out every few mobs, help break up the grinding

[weanLsyc]

Go for 110 bicheon, 110 fire, 110 cold if you have enough SPs

compared to light, fire has got :IMMUNITY ( good against annoying cold imbue players), firewall, better imbue, mag def. and nukes which are as strong as lightning nukes ..or a bit stronger.

disadvantages without light : lack of parry ratio, speed (can be bought), phantomwalk

[bryanvan]

I've done Bich/Light/Ice and I have already completely deleveld fire to level 15 now so.

This far im liking it, I do shitloads of dmg to giant because of devision.

I just can't plvl that good anymore, aw well well see how thats gonna work out.

[Buddhist]

I've done Bich/Light/Ice and I have already completely deleveld fire to level 15 now so.

This far im liking it, I do shitloads of dmg to giant because of devision.

I just can't plvl that good anymore, aw well well see how thats gonna work out.

If you do want to powerlevel other peeps just level up ice rain and shouts aswell, must be fast enough and better than fire.

[bryanvan]

Everyskill is maxed lol in light, in ice most of the skills that I use, I dlvld double shot though to level 1, because its uselles

[Buddhist]

Everyskill is maxed lol in light, in ice most of the skills that I use, I dlvld double shot though to level 1, because its uselles

It is, already discussed this ingame. Ice rain is good enough for pleveling or doing taxies. You were talking about that..

[bryanvan]

Yep, I got that one maxed. Hoping to get 80 soon XD

BTW I'm 77 now.

[Buddhist]

Yep, I got that one maxed. Hoping to get 80 soon XD

BTW I'm 77 now.

That's pretty cool. You are leveling fast.

WTS FREE PLVL PM Just_Dance

[KingFille]

Either Full force or 110bich/light/cold

[Buddhist]

Either Full force or 110bich/light/cold

He does pvp aswell so he won't pick full force as it was already stated. And his build is 110bich/light/cold so WHAT?

[bryanvan]

I don't really do pvp, but doens't mind, I just took it for the devision and KD

[Phenom_]

I don't really do pvp, but doens't mind, I just took it for the devision and KD

And the division and KD is deffinetly worth it ^^

[colt45]

yeh i agree... BICH/FIRE/COLD FTW!!!

[Macsnow]

yeh i agree... BICH/FIRE/COLD FTW!!!

[Goseki]

Personally, If I was bored enough, I think Strongest build would be int hybrid, about 20 lvls str. Bich Light maxed, Ice 80, Fire 30.

Fast, decent nukes, can tank with the snow, immune. SP's not too bad either.

[KillAndChill]

Personally, If I was bored enough, I think Strongest build would be int hybrid, about 20 lvls str. Bich Light maxed, Ice 80, Fire 30.

Fast, decent nukes, can tank with the snow, immune. SP's not too bad either.

That build won't be able to survive much at all out of snow with fire and cold so low. Might as well be pure int if you aren't going to survive out of snow.

[Goseki]

Personally, If I was bored enough, I think Strongest build would be int hybrid, about 20 lvls str. Bich Light maxed, Ice 80, Fire 30.

Fast, decent nukes, can tank with the snow, immune. SP's not too bad either.

That build won't be able to survive much at all out of snow with fire and cold so low. Might as well be pure int if you aren't going to survive out of snow.

Your dmg would be higher than a pure int. Since you have light maxed, nukes will still hit hard. Going hybrid means 80 ice is enough. Bich skills will hit harder than pure int.

[KillAndChill]

Personally, If I was bored enough, I think Strongest build would be int hybrid, about 20 lvls str. Bich Light maxed, Ice 80, Fire 30.

Fast, decent nukes, can tank with the snow, immune. SP's not too bad either.

That build won't be able to survive much at all out of snow with fire and cold so low. Might as well be pure int if you aren't going to survive out of snow.

Your dmg would be higher than a pure int. Since you have light maxed, nukes will still hit hard. Going hybrid means 80 ice is enough. Bich skills will hit harder than pure int.

How would your damage be higher than a pure int? Light and fire are just as strong as each other. Only think light gains this cap is 1% stronger magic attack increase buff but adding 20 levels of str will definitely lower your damage by more than just 1%.

Also lvl 80 cold is not enough. Passive and buff at 80 give 81 phys def each for a total of 162. Passive and buff and 110 give 237 phys def each for a total of 474. That means you are missing out on a total of 312 phys def. But since you added some str (60 total) and 1 str added is about 2 phys def, you get back 120 phys def. Fire you lose 368 (380-12) mag def. You do get 5195 more hp tho.

TL;DR version:

Your Hybrid Pros (vs Bich Cold Fire):
-5195 more hp
-Increased physical dmg

Your Hybrid Cons (vs Bich Cold Fire):
-192 less phys def
-368 less mag def
-13% less absorption by snow shield
-Decreased magic dmg
-Only one strong nuke

Better off just going pure int hueskal cold fire if you are going for more HP and increased phys dmg.

[Goseki]

What lvl is ur highest char KillAndChill?

I'm speaking from experience, it's HELLA FREAKING HARD to maintain snowshield pat 50%.

The OVERALL dmg output would be higher. Light only has 1 strong nuke anyways. Bich skills would hit alot harder, with 3x smash, 2 6x chain. The dmg will balance itself out between hybrid light and pure int.

I have both btw. The fire ice bich was capped with 100 skills. Light ice i use for fun now, but I can assure you. If you plan on hybrid, the light will balance itself out dmg-wise. Since light only has 1 nuke, it's better to go hybrid. Fire ice is better for pure since you have 2 hard hitting nukes and a few more to mess with.

The 50% snow shield will absorb quite a bit of dmg. The def you're quoting that's missing can easily be replaced with a prem, or just go ahead and ignore it. I've pvped with parts of my gear missing before for fun. As long as it's not accessories, missing 1 piece of gear isn't that big of a loss in def.


You also forgot another major pro to the hybrid. Less sp.

You can't say light only gets 1%. You're ignoring the remaining 18% or so. The dmg loss from going only 20 lvls of str is prob about the same as the bonus from the light buff. Like I said, having max snowshield is hard to maintain. I've noticed with my fire ice bich, once i pop the snow, i rarely nuke due to the mp consumption of snow + nuke = you farked.

[KillAndChill]

What lvl is ur highest char KillAndChill?

I'm speaking from experience, it's HELLA FREAKING HARD to maintain snowshield pat 50%.

The OVERALL dmg output would be higher. Light only has 1 strong nuke anyways. Bich skills would hit alot harder, with 3x smash, 2 6x chain. The dmg will balance itself out between hybrid light and pure int.

I have both btw. The fire ice bich was capped with 100 skills. Light ice i use for fun now, but I can assure you. If you plan on hybrid, the light will balance itself out dmg-wise. Since light only has 1 nuke, it's better to go hybrid. Fire ice is better for pure since you have 2 hard hitting nukes and a few more to mess with.

The 50% snow shield will absorb quite a bit of dmg. The def you're quoting that's missing can easily be replaced with a prem, or just go ahead and ignore it. I've pvped with parts of my gear missing before for fun. As long as it's not accessories, missing 1 piece of gear isn't that big of a loss in def.


You also forgot another major pro to the hybrid. Less sp.

You can't say light only gets 1%. You're ignoring the remaining 18% or so. The dmg loss from going only 20 lvls of str is prob about the same as the bonus from the light buff. Like I said, having max snowshield is hard to maintain. I've noticed with my fire ice bich, once i pop the snow, i rarely nuke due to the mp consumption of snow + nuke = you farked.

Highest lvl char is a pure int 101 bich fire cold. As far as 60% snow, I never have problems keeping my mp up and I don't use vigors. The 1% i was talking about deals with the fact that fire is just as strong as light at 100 cap due to stronger imbue and stronger nukes and the only thing that light has gotten as an improvement at 110 cap is that 1%.

There is no way any hybrid int hits harder than a pure int. By adding str you are lowering your imbue dmg by more than the phys dmg increase can make up for. Also, by having such a low fire you lose 16% phys attack increase.

[Goseki]

What lvl is ur highest char KillAndChill?

I'm speaking from experience, it's HELLA FREAKING HARD to maintain snowshield pat 50%.

The OVERALL dmg output would be higher. Light only has 1 strong nuke anyways. Bich skills would hit alot harder, with 3x smash, 2 6x chain. The dmg will balance itself out between hybrid light and pure int.

I have both btw. The fire ice bich was capped with 100 skills. Light ice i use for fun now, but I can assure you. If you plan on hybrid, the light will balance itself out dmg-wise. Since light only has 1 nuke, it's better to go hybrid. Fire ice is better for pure since you have 2 hard hitting nukes and a few more to mess with.

The 50% snow shield will absorb quite a bit of dmg. The def you're quoting that's missing can easily be replaced with a prem, or just go ahead and ignore it. I've pvped with parts of my gear missing before for fun. As long as it's not accessories, missing 1 piece of gear isn't that big of a loss in def.


You also forgot another major pro to the hybrid. Less sp.

You can't say light only gets 1%. You're ignoring the remaining 18% or so. The dmg loss from going only 20 lvls of str is prob about the same as the bonus from the light buff. Like I said, having max snowshield is hard to maintain. I've noticed with my fire ice bich, once i pop the snow, i rarely nuke due to the mp consumption of snow + nuke = you farked.

Highest lvl char is a pure int 101 bich fire cold. As far as 60% snow, I never have problems keeping my mp up and I don't use vigors. The 1% i was talking about deals with the fact that fire is just as strong as light at 100 cap due to stronger imbue and stronger nukes and the only thing that light has gotten as an improvement at 110 cap is that 1%.

There is no way any hybrid int hits harder than a pure int. By adding str you are lowering your imbue dmg by more than the phys dmg increase can make up for. Also, by having such a low fire you lose 16% phys attack increase.

16% phy attk inc. 1000 phy dmg x 1.16 = 1160 dmg
going hybrid, 1500 phy dmg. Woo.

I've pvped and played with hybrids before. Their bich hit harder. The phy dmg increase buff is all but useless for a pure int since it's a % multiplier, not straight increase in value. That's like a pure str using the mag dmg inc buff, it only makes you hit harder when you already deal high dmg.

I can tell you now, with my friend wearing npc garms and me wearing a fb 100% set, he still hit harder on me than me him. He was only usign a +5 s/s while I had +7. I nuked like 5k harder, but his kd + stabs made up for it.

I have a ff 102 bich fire ice nuker. It's currently my main. That's why I can admit it sucks compared to a hybrid. In a straight pvp, I'd prob lose.

If you grind alone on 105+ mobs, I bet you anything you'll have a few encounters where you will see ur mp being drained and you can't attack back due to high snow shield and nuking. High spawn rate in Alexandria will fck you over with a high snow shield if you have don't have a bard.

It happens less in pvp since you use bich skills a lot, but when you grind, I assume you mostly nuke + bich cuts/dance. If you get ganged by mob, your nukes and snow combo will be the end of you. Try nuking a lot during a pvp. Usually ends up pretty bad. Unless you have a devil spirit. The 15% inc does make it a lot easier.

[KillAndChill]

What lvl is ur highest char KillAndChill?

I'm speaking from experience, it's HELLA FREAKING HARD to maintain snowshield pat 50%.

The OVERALL dmg output would be higher. Light only has 1 strong nuke anyways. Bich skills would hit alot harder, with 3x smash, 2 6x chain. The dmg will balance itself out between hybrid light and pure int.

I have both btw. The fire ice bich was capped with 100 skills. Light ice i use for fun now, but I can assure you. If you plan on hybrid, the light will balance itself out dmg-wise. Since light only has 1 nuke, it's better to go hybrid. Fire ice is better for pure since you have 2 hard hitting nukes and a few more to mess with.

The 50% snow shield will absorb quite a bit of dmg. The def you're quoting that's missing can easily be replaced with a prem, or just go ahead and ignore it. I've pvped with parts of my gear missing before for fun. As long as it's not accessories, missing 1 piece of gear isn't that big of a loss in def.


You also forgot another major pro to the hybrid. Less sp.

You can't say light only gets 1%. You're ignoring the remaining 18% or so. The dmg loss from going only 20 lvls of str is prob about the same as the bonus from the light buff. Like I said, having max snowshield is hard to maintain. I've noticed with my fire ice bich, once i pop the snow, i rarely nuke due to the mp consumption of snow + nuke = you farked.

Highest lvl char is a pure int 101 bich fire cold. As far as 60% snow, I never have problems keeping my mp up and I don't use vigors. The 1% i was talking about deals with the fact that fire is just as strong as light at 100 cap due to stronger imbue and stronger nukes and the only thing that light has gotten as an improvement at 110 cap is that 1%.

There is no way any hybrid int hits harder than a pure int. By adding str you are lowering your imbue dmg by more than the phys dmg increase can make up for. Also, by having such a low fire you lose 16% phys attack increase.

16% phy attk inc. 1000 phy dmg x 1.16 = 1160 dmg
going hybrid, 1500 phy dmg. Woo.

I've pvped and played with hybrids before. Their bich hit harder. The phy dmg increase buff is all but useless for a pure int since it's a % multiplier, not straight increase in value. That's like a pure str using the mag dmg inc buff, it only makes you hit harder when you already deal high dmg.

I can tell you now, with my friend wearing npc garms and me wearing a fb 100% set, he still hit harder on me than me him. He was only usign a +5 s/s while I had +7. I nuked like 5k harder, but his kd + stabs made up for it.

I have a ff 102 bich fire ice nuker. It's currently my main. That's why I can admit it sucks compared to a hybrid. In a straight pvp, I'd prob lose.

If you grind alone on 105+ mobs, I bet you anything you'll have a few encounters where you will see ur mp being drained and you can't attack back due to high snow shield and nuking. High spawn rate in Alexandria will fck you over with a high snow shield if you have don't have a bard.

It happens less in pvp since you use bich skills a lot, but when you grind, I assume you mostly nuke + bich cuts/dance. If you get ganged by mob, your nukes and snow combo will be the end of you. Try nuking a lot during a pvp. Usually ends up pretty bad. Unless you have a devil spirit. The 15% inc does make it a lot easier.

You guys need to test your damage on a mob (same defense), not each other (different defenses). That would probably help your argument.

And no, I don't get my mp drained when I'm grinding (at 107 aknish mobs). Good garm set helps with that.