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[bryanvan]

Hey guys,

I got an question for all the S/S nukers here.
What is your build and how are you liking it?

-What are the pros?
-What are the cons?
-What are your masteries ( example: fire/light/ice ) etc
-What is your level?
-How do you do in PVP?
-How do you do in PVE?

I got an 72 S/S Pure int nuker with FF fire ice light and bicheon! So I'm gonna have to choose what tree to drop, but I have no idea which one, and which one is good


Would like some comments/screens and thoughts about this....

[Amaterasu]

drop fire.. or light...
if you want damage/Magic defense get fire..
if you want speed/ medium damage get light

[dominoes]

reporting for duty, sir!
(ps, i'm the one on the far left)

[bryanvan]

These 2 reply's didn't help me at all....

[Goseki]

Hey guys,

I got an question for all the S/S nukers here.
What is your build and how are you liking it?
Fire Ice Bich, it's alright I guess. Sucks to be slow, but it's fun when you have a bard.
-What are the pros?
FIRE SHIELD FTW. Immune rocks. You hit relatively high with fire nukes.
-What are the cons?
SP INTENSIVE, Bich + Fire = ouch
-What are your masteries ( example: fire/light/ice ) etc
Fire, ice, Bich 100
-What is your level?
100
-How do you do in PVP?
I rock, but I chose ice imbue, so against force build or clerics, I can't debuff so I can't do enough dmg... No prem or devil can't really compete against devil + prem+
-How do you do in PVE?
Usual, I nuke, they die. It's slow unless you have a bard. Soloing sucks.

I got an 72 S/S Pure int nuker with FF fire ice light and bicheon! So I'm gonna have to choose what tree to drop, but I have no idea which one, and which one is good


Would like some comments/screens and thoughts about this....

Like Amaterasu said, either drop fire or light.

Light will give you 1 strong nuke, hit about the same as fire nuke, but you'll only have one strong nuke. You will have speed and dash, but you prob won't be immune so ice will piss you off.

Fire will give you 2 strong nukes, you'll be immune and you'll have better def.

[bryanvan]

But why not full force then? They way I see it atm, is that bich will be only good for KD and for devision on that chain?

So why not drop that and just be full force?:P

I don't think I will drop light, because I like to be fast and also I like to have those buffs.

Fire will give me immune though... ARGH

[Panu]

I just got done playing my friends full force nuker, fire/light/ice. it requires the least amount of SP compared to light/cold/spear, the runner up for least sp cost. basically full force nukers are like wizards who can tank. their nukes can do around 20-30k and thats a good amount for a chinese full int. since i love pve i enjoy the full force ... pvp style you need a weapon class.

[Goseki]

But why not full force then? They way I see it atm, is that bich will be only good for KD and for devision on that chain?

So why not drop that and just be full force?:P

I don't think I will drop light, because I like to be fast and also I like to have those buffs.

Fire will give me immune though... ARGH

Full force is possible, but if you pvp someone that's a HIGHER lvl than you, than you'll prob be in trouble when they start draining ur mp.

Bich gives you this: Kd, stab, bleed(reduce def), impotent(reduce their attack), division(reduce def even more), dull(slows down), fear(they can't target you), stun(they can't do anything).

[Master_Akuma]

ok im going to ask this why lvl blade master and get the chain and stuff when u full int ....u do low damage but yea u MAY land Debuffs .....i say level fire ice and lighting ......fire damage output & magic def (also detect so u can find rouges and wiz if they try to hide) ice for phy def and freeze/frost bite (even if they pill it off only stat that still effects them just a tad longer to mess them up and make them mad) lighting for speed and make other nukes stronger (the dash helps too) now dont say that u will die fast cuz u wont if played right ....vs str people like bladers glaviers warriors stuff that get close toss up ice wall nuke alittle dash away ice wall again....they will quit or die before they even get near u (so called chicken? no its smart) vs another nuker? fire wall nuke all i can say hope u have good magic att lol and hope they dont have high BR shield....i just dont find KD stabs and debuff worth it if u full int maybe hybrid yes but not full int i think u just gimping yourself



(this is from a str player view so that dash stuff will piss me off but nothing i can do lol)

[Macsnow]

Actually in PvP Bicheon tree is life saving. I've played a Bicheon/Fire/Ice nuker... have to say I really did enjoy it, only annoyance is the lack of speed (which can be replaced by some nice drugs, somehow getting high makes you run faster). The Immune and the extra Mag defense from fire tree are also great Pros to the build, and looks sweet too.

Anyways, if you want a PvP based char:
1vs1~ Bicheon/Fire/Ice my personal choice
Group PvP~ Bicheon/Light/Ice

If you want a support char: (would probably be the fastest leveling one too)
Fire/Light/Ice

I'd say Bicheon/Fire/Light, or any weird combination of masteries just aren't worth it. I'd rather have 3 maxed trees than 2 maxed ones and 2 lower Lv ones. Though this is just my opinion...

Good luck choosing!

[bryanvan]

Hmm I see, I am level 73 right now.

So as far as I can see you need fire for more damage, but if you don't take it you won't be immune.
Is the damage difference really that much?

Also from what I get from the posts are that if you are a full force nuker you will level fast ( Which is pretty neat ) but you will sacrafice your changes of doing devision on someone and those other statuses.

For now I will be doing mostly leveling to level 90 because I am full farmed. So :/

I will probaly not ditch Lightning because I like the speed AND I think that the light buffs are good. They give all kinds of magical attack bonus!

Losing cold is no option either because I need snowshield.

[bryanvan]

Sry for double post, but I was wondering if Bich/ice/light can kill uniques fast?:P

[Buddhist]

That immune resist disappointed me (talking about Fire Shield Series). It's okay that it will give you decent resist at cap, but still. When I was leveling at scorpions back at level 36 with 33 skills all the poisons landed. I had to bring pills all the time. So I would not put that skill in pros at all. It's completely useless while leveling. Might get better on higher levels, dunno about that...

[Buddhist]

Well decided to fill in this thingy correctly to help ya out.

Used to play Bicheon/Lightning/Cold on Titan.

-What are the pros?
-Some people would say that it's not a pro at all because you can buy potions. But still, speed and dash is kinda cool. Speed buff saves money and dash saves you in some situations.
-Magic damage increase buff ofc. I was leveling 2 nukes both lightning and cold just skilled shouts. Actually it was 3 skills, two cold nukes and the lightning one. So that buff increased both cold and lightning nukes, while if you are a fire nuker you do have only one decent nuke.
-What are the cons?
-Immune for sure and a slightly weaker imbue, which is not really that true because imbues also magic based and that piercing force series increases its damage aswell.
-What are your masteries ( example: fire/light/ice )
-Been told, Bicheon/Lightning/Cold
-What is your level?
-65, but not leveling it anymore.
-How do you do in PVP?
-It was okay, since I had a decent shield and all my gear was fully blued (100% int, str and those other blablas), I had no trouble killing off people. Cold nukes helped me on those levels, because people weren't just fully resisted against slow effects. After that I just pewpewed them with my sword skills.
-How do you do in PVE?
-Fast. I had always enough money to buy potions. I really really don't agree with those who say that you should just level one nuke. Okay if you are using shouts you have 1,5 nuke, because shouts are weaker than a normal nuke. I just used Snow Storm - Ice rain as a starter skill and Tiger's Thunderbolt to finish them off. At level 54 I was already leveling at Yetis and had no problem to kill them off with two nukes and since both of those spells are some kind of an AOE I could kill 3 of them with one pull. If you are in trouble all you have to do is to pop your snow shield and if you are in deep shi' you just use your ironwall shield and there you go.

Of course I do not have as much experience as a level 100+ player, but I don't think you should just throw away lightning and all those fancy stuff just because of being resisted against statuses and the stronger nuke.

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[Goseki]

No ice immune = rape. Pure and simple.


It use to be that higher lvls were immune, but not anymore since the cap rose and ppl can't have so many masteries.

Light hits harder I feel, but that's just ONE strong nuke. You only have one nuke that will hit max dmg in light. Remember, there's only 1 light nuke and the ice nukes aren't very high hitting. Light imbue + light nuke + buffs @ 100 is about 20-23k, fire imbue + fire nuke is about 20-22k, ice imbue + fire nuke = 19-21k. Remember, light only has 1 shot nuke that hits high, fire will have 2.

ok im going to ask this why lvl blade master and get the chain and stuff when u full int ....u do low damage but yea u MAY land Debuffs .....i say level fire ice and lighting ......fire damage output & magic def (also detect so u can find rouges and wiz if they try to hide) ice for phy def and freeze/frost bite (even if they pill it off only stat that still effects them just a tad longer to mess them up and make them mad) lighting for speed and make other nukes stronger (the dash helps too) now dont say that u will die fast cuz u wont if played right ....vs str people like bladers glaviers warriors stuff that get close toss up ice wall nuke alittle dash away ice wall again....they will quit or die before they even get near u (so called chicken? no its smart) vs another nuker? fire wall nuke all i can say hope u have good magic att lol and hope they dont have high BR shield....i just dont find KD stabs and debuff worth it if u full int maybe hybrid yes but not full int i think u just gimping yourself



(this is from a str player view so that dash stuff will piss me off but nothing i can do lol)

Ice imbue + bich chain or bow kb = hell for anyone that isn't immune. It's not "Sometimes", with 96 cut + 76 cut, that's 5 hits that each have 18% chance of getting bleed. Usually I can get bleed within 1-3 tries. Debuffs are what allow bich to kill.

Against my friend, a sun glaiver with 55k hp, Normal nuke hits him for around 15k. With bleed i hit around 18k, with bleed + division, i hit around 22k.

[bryanvan]

No ice immune = rape. Pure and simple.


It use to be that higher lvls were immune, but not anymore since the cap rose and ppl can't have so many masteries.

Light hits harder I feel, but that's just ONE strong nuke. You only have one nuke that will hit max dmg in light. Remember, there's only 1 light nuke and the ice nukes aren't very high hitting. Light imbue + light nuke + buffs @ 100 is about 20-23k, fire imbue + fire nuke is about 20-22k, ice imbue + fire nuke = 19-21k. Remember, light only has 1 shot nuke that hits high, fire will have 2.

ok im going to ask this why lvl blade master and get the chain and stuff when u full int ....u do low damage but yea u MAY land Debuffs .....i say level fire ice and lighting ......fire damage output & magic def (also detect so u can find rouges and wiz if they try to hide) ice for phy def and freeze/frost bite (even if they pill it off only stat that still effects them just a tad longer to mess them up and make them mad) lighting for speed and make other nukes stronger (the dash helps too) now dont say that u will die fast cuz u wont if played right ....vs str people like bladers glaviers warriors stuff that get close toss up ice wall nuke alittle dash away ice wall again....they will quit or die before they even get near u (so called chicken? no its smart) vs another nuker? fire wall nuke all i can say hope u have good magic att lol and hope they dont have high BR shield....i just dont find KD stabs and debuff worth it if u full int maybe hybrid yes but not full int i think u just gimping yourself



(this is from a str player view so that dash stuff will piss me off but nothing i can do lol)

Ice imbue + bich chain or bow kb = hell for anyone that isn't immune. It's not "Sometimes", with 96 cut + 76 cut, that's 5 hits that each have 18% chance of getting bleed. Usually I can get bleed within 1-3 tries. Debuffs are what allow bich to kill.

Against my friend, a sun glaiver with 55k hp, Normal nuke hits him for around 15k. With bleed i hit around 18k, with bleed + division, i hit around 22k.

Nuke hime 3 times and hes dead then :/ So thats pretty good!

[Goseki]

If he's afk and don't have pots. With vigor grains and pots on, it's hella dam near impossible. Takes like 2-3 wizzard nukes in LT to kill him most of the time,

[bryanvan]

Aw well I've decided to go bich/light/ice... Hoping it will do me good, else I will have a problem :/

[Buddhist]

Aw well I've decided to go bich/light/ice... Hoping it will do me good, else I will have a problem :/

It will be okay, you will love it.

[bryanvan]

Lol dlvld fire to level 66 and the nukes are still higher then the lvl 73 FF one XD BAH

[TheKnight]

The best grinding build as S/S nuker is Cold/Lightning/Fire

If you want more defence try Cold/Lightning/Bicheon, Cold/Fire isn't good grinding build cuz its so slow, but does well in PvP. Cold/Lightning/Bicheon is alright in PvE and PvP, Lightning7Fire/Bicheon is good grinding build and ok in PvP

[dominoes]

The best grinding build as S/S nuker is Cold/Lightning/Fire

grinding pff, enjoy your goldbot
best "grinding" s/s nuker would be bicheon/fire/cold with 50 typhoon drugs

[Master_Akuma]

im a blader and i dont land debuffs that often....maybe 1~2 debuffs every 5 chains so i dunno who u fighting but something up and i land bleed alot more from the 2hit attack than from chain....so going from a full str blader view cant land debuffs often.....also why even do chain if u can kill people in 1~3 nukes w/o them....makes no sence

[bryanvan]

Well actually I'm not really sure anymore. The fact is, I NEVER PVP I only grind and I like it, I also want to hunt uniques...

So I'm beginning to think that I chose wrong...
Only thing I use from bich is Lightning Chain now for division.. Nothing else xD

[Goseki]

im a blader and i dont land debuffs that often....maybe 1~2 debuffs every 5 chains so i dunno who u fighting but something up and i land bleed alot more from the 2hit attack than from chain....so going from a full str blader view cant land debuffs often.....also why even do chain if u can kill people in 1~3 nukes w/o them....makes no sence

You're 75 that's why. At 100, you have 3 hit smash, almost always bleed within 1-2 uses, and lightening and thousand army chain to combo. Thousand can fear or stun someone giving you even more time to use light and smash. It's amazing with ice imbue too. Opponent stands still so much.

Well actually I'm not really sure anymore. The fact is, I NEVER PVP I only grind and I like it, I also want to hunt uniques...

So I'm beginning to think that I chose wrong...
Only thing I use from bich is Lightning Chain now for division.. Nothing else xD

If you never pvp, could've just gone pure force, light ice fire.

If you have bich, you will need the chain, smash, and kd+stab. Even outside of pvp, kd+stab is how i ks botters the most. For uniques, you'll just nuke away and debuff if it's temp safe.

[bryanvan]

Don't really see the point in pvping when im only level 74 lol...


EDIT: I'll think about it, I want to level really fast, and PVPing is possible at 100 but don't know if I will do that, once I reach 100 I will probaly plvl my wizard XD lol

[Buddhist]

If you want to do more PvE then PvP then you even have to change your weapon to spear. As far as I know heuksal/fire/cold is teh best for PvE.

edit: heuksal/fire/lightning but that's just a selfownage.

[bryanvan]

Lol I do want S/S love them , I can always switch weapon and use spear to nuke with. Though that lowers my defence quite a bit so probaly will not do that while grinding at higher mobs.

[bryanvan]

I've collected 60 potions again now. Still trying to decide what to do now XD I really can't make up my mind.

[brantje]

ice/light/fire i would go for