Blade and Bow question

[jarjar75]

Hey guys,

i was thinking, what build would be best with force.
Also what about the build blade/cold/force, or bow/cold/force. I know the most time its fire/force/weapon. But if you go with 100 cold you got alot of defense and the imbue of cold is not that high but you can make it higher with force? Maybe go hybrid or something?

Any ideas.
~JarJar

[adhdtje]

depends on if you wanna be full tank --> choose blader or higher dmg with cold/force couse bow hits alot with the crits but you wont be imume and you will miss speed buff. you could also do glavie

[Alkali]

^ fail.

A full str without fire is total piece of SHIT, you MUST HAVE those phy increase buffs and mag def from fire, if you wont have fire as a full str char, you will get ~2 nuked from a nuker lol, if you seriously want force go fire/wep/force.

And bow or blade with force? Its hard to say, i guess bow, since bladers already have debuffs from there chains, thus the chance is low.. Blade + force is good too lol, massive def and a way bigger chance of debuffing your enemy is pure owning, though a stongbow crit when your enemy is with division, hurts, ALOT.

[Buddhist]

I'd love to see you leveling with that cold/force.

[Amaterasu]

or go pure int...
Cold,Bicheon,Force

[omier]

I know a guy who is a fire force blader and he doesn't seem to have problems even at jobbing.
But i'd go force glaive.

[OrangeFeffy]

I'd love to see you leveling with that cold/force.

i hope that wasnt sarcasm, cuz a pure str cold force blader with a decent set could probably tank mobs 10 lvls above them, especially str mobs.

[Buddhist]

I'd love to see you leveling with that cold/force.

i hope that wasnt sarcasm, cuz a pure str cold force blader with a decent set could probably tank mobs 10 lvls above them, especially str mobs.

Yeah and you can kill them so fast.

[OrangeFeffy]

I'd love to see you leveling with that cold/force.

i hope that wasnt sarcasm, cuz a pure str cold force blader with a decent set could probably tank mobs 10 lvls above them, especially str mobs.

Yeah and you can kill them so fast.

not saying you can kill fast since they have 10lvls+ on you but find any other build that really can tank like a pure str cold force blader. and a blader doesnt kill fast either way, with force it would do decently, probably about the same damage output as a fire blader because imbue isnt a factor for a str.

[OrangeFeffy]

^ fail.

A full str without fire is total piece of SHIT, you MUST HAVE those phy increase buffs and mag def from fire, if you wont have fire as a full str char, you will get ~2 nuked from a nuker lol, if you seriously want force go fire/wep/force.

And bow or blade with force? Its hard to say, i guess bow, since bladers already have debuffs from there chains, thus the chance is low.. Blade + force is good too lol, massive def and a way bigger chance of debuffing your enemy is pure owning, though a stongbow crit when your enemy is with division, hurts, ALOT.

not really fail
the debuffs from force can make up for the loss of fire. and since its a force cold blader they can use a higher snow sheild so good luck killing them. a decent garm set will keep you alive for 3 uninterrupted nukes, and saying its a blader they have a sheild, knockdown, fear, and stun. im not saying that one is better than the other, but this build can be good.

[omier]

High BR owns nukers who like to spam nukes.

[OrangeFeffy]

High BR owns nukers who like to spam nukes.

br, knockdown, fear, and stun =]

[Buddhist]

i hope that wasnt sarcasm, cuz a pure str cold force blader with a decent set could probably tank mobs 10 lvls above them, especially str mobs.

Yeah and you can kill them so fast.

not saying you can kill fast since they have 10lvls+ on you but find any other build that really can tank like a pure str cold force blader. and a blader doesnt kill fast either way, with force it would do decently, probably about the same damage output as a fire blader because imbue isnt a factor for a str.

Dude, warrior is a tank, blader can just keep sucking damage. It has no skill to keep aggro. What's the point of dying slow if you can't kill shi'. Yeah that's it level with a cold imbue and don't have any phy. attack increase. For sure it's one of the toughest builds in the game, but still...it would take ages to level it up.

[OrangeFeffy]

Dude, warrior is a tank, blader can just keep sucking damage. It has no skill to keep aggro. What's the point of dying slow if you can't kill shi'. Yeah that's it level with a cold imbue and don't have any phy. attack increase. For sure it's one of the toughest builds in the game, but still...it would take ages to level it up.

if we are talking party based warrior is all around better, since euros are party strong. but a blader can solo anything. well with the debuffs from weapon skills and force the damage shouldnt be that dramatic. i dont know how much difference it would make but i dont think much. and the whole game takes ages to lvl up, thats why everyone gets taxis or bots. any blader will suffer and know how much it sucks to hand grind a blader.

[Buddhist]

Dude, warrior is a tank, blader can just keep sucking damage. It has no skill to keep aggro. What's the point of dying slow if you can't kill shi'. Yeah that's it level with a cold imbue and don't have any phy. attack increase. For sure it's one of the toughest builds in the game, but still...it would take ages to level it up.

if we are talking party based warrior is all around better, since euros are party strong. but a blader can solo anything. well with the debuffs from weapon skills and force the damage shouldnt be that dramatic. i dont know how much difference it would make but i dont think much. and the whole game takes ages to lvl up, thats why everyone gets taxis or bots. any blader will suffer and know how much it sucks to hand grind a blader.

That's why I said you should use fire instead of force. You should maximize the output damage as you just can. There are several skills in the fire tree that would help you to level up faster. As I was saying force can be better to survive giants, party monsters or even party giants but still. The faster you kill the faster you level up and this isn't just true in pve. How can you kill someone in pvp if you can just survive but you can do any output damage. I get your point, but it's just a selfownage if you want to play a build like that.

[OrangeFeffy]

That's why I said you should use fire instead of force. You should maximize the output damage as you just can. There are several skills in the fire tree that would help you to level up faster. As I was saying force can be better to survive giants, party monsters or even party giants but still. The faster you kill the faster you level up and this isn't just true in pve. How can you kill someone in pvp if you can just survive but you can do any output damage. I get your point, but it's just a selfownage if you want to play a build like that.

the only skill i can see in fire that will help lvl up faster is the phys attck increases. and like i said the debuffs from force will help out alot. i could imagine a fire blader over force lvling faster by ehh 2 mobs more a minute maybe. its just a matter of how you look at it. and dont count out a force cold bladers damage. when those debuffs get off its deadly. thats what a fire blader relys on too, and crits. i had a cold force blader lvl 78 ff'ed in garms, and i could beat sos warriors in armor. my set was some +3 and light blues. although it was a tricky build to play with. against any str character this build will win. against ints is a little harder but not too bad.

[Buddhist]

Don't forget while debuffing takes time you can non stop pull and kill mobs without it. But if you don't use them you lose the advantage of force. Fire imbue is much more stronger than cold. You do have some resist aswell if you go fire instead of force. Now your reply will be 'but you can remove those debuffs with your skills!' - That's true but it takes time aswell. You have to target yourself and cast the skill which has a casttime. As you said there are some phy attack increasing buffs that help you out a lot. The passive is going up by 1% so it's 11%+ at level 110. You also do have some mag. def. buff aswell.

Fire is a must as a Pure Str character in my opinion. But it's up to you what you want to play, I just felt like to tell my opinion that's all. Cold force can be better...haven't tested, but fire would make more sense to me.

[OrangeFeffy]

Don't forget while debuffing takes time you can non stop pull and kill mobs without it. But if you don't use them you lose the advantage of force. Fire imbue is much more stronger than cold. You do have some resist aswell if you go fire instead of force. Now your reply will be 'but you can remove those debuffs with your skills!' - That's true but it takes time aswell. You have to target yourself and cast the skill which has a casttime. As you said there are some phy attack increasing buffs that help you out a lot. The passive is going up by 1% so it's 11%+ at level 110. You also do have some mag. def. buff aswell.

Fire is a must as a Pure Str character in my opinion. But it's up to you what you want to play, I just felt like to tell my opinion that's all. Cold force can be better...haven't tested, but fire would make more sense to me.

sucks your banned now but anyways.
fire imbue is stronger but as a pure str blader the difference isnt significant. and dont forget that mobs dont have immune or pills so your attacks will always frostbite or freeze them, especially with bladers fast attacks. and the effects that mobs give arent even worthy of purifying unless its zombie.

[Buddhist]

sucks your banned now but anyways.

lol'd

fire imbue is stronger but as a pure str blader the difference isnt significant. and dont forget that mobs dont have immune or pills so your attacks will always frostbite or freeze them, especially with bladers fast attacks. and the effects that mobs give arent even worthy of purifying unless its zombie.

The game is based on pvp as far as I know. So you would level up an imbue just for PvE but in your case you don't even have any other since your other force is force. Fire gives 19%+ phy. attack increase thats not significant increase right? plus add the stronger imbue. But anyways it seems it doesn't really matter what I say. Let it be bicheon/cold/force is pwnzor!!11one

[jarjar75]

I still dont know what to do,

i dont know if ice imbue with force debuffs is gonna kill someone
and i dont know if fire imbue with force debuffs has enough defence.

BTW: Which force debuffs goes to holy word?

~JarJar

[omier]

No debuffs go through Holy Spell. In ksro the probability was changed to 50%. I hope they do that in isro too.

U will have more defence when u cast the debuffs on the enemy which decrease attack.

[OrangeFeffy]

sucks your banned now but anyways.

lol'd

fire imbue is stronger but as a pure str blader the difference isnt significant. and dont forget that mobs dont have immune or pills so your attacks will always frostbite or freeze them, especially with bladers fast attacks. and the effects that mobs give arent even worthy of purifying unless its zombie.

The game is based on pvp as far as I know. So you would level up an imbue just for PvE but in your case you don't even have any other since your other force is force. Fire gives 19%+ phy. attack increase thats not significant increase right? plus add the stronger imbue. But anyways it seems it doesn't really matter what I say. Let it be bicheon/cold/force is pwnzor!!11one

you have to lvl to pvp. fire imbue is stronger but not significant for a str. yes phys increase is important but its not needed especially for a blader (tank build). and force debuffs could make up for the lack of fire