California voting on Legalization(That's right)

[TheDrop]

wouldnt really make much of a difference, i know a few kids in my school who already do weed etc, but i think it would be a step backwards. anyone who knows the side effects and still does this shit is just retarded.

Phew, I'm glad you know what you're talking about. Not. From this statement you are not allowed to ever drink alcohol, do tobacco, or anything remotely dangerous. I appreciate you trying to hold my hand and all..

my feelingz r hurtz mens
I think its stupid to drink alcohol in large amounts/smoke/take other kinds of drugs as well (unless for medical puposes), but do w/e u want, just my opinion ;p

[EvGa]

my feelingz r hurtz mens
I think its stupid to drink alcohol in large amounts/smoke/take other kinds of drugs as well (unless for medical puposes), but do w/e u want, just my opinion ;p

Here, have a toke, we can chill.

Obviously things in excess can be bad, and that's were being responsible comes in. Regardless if cannabis is legal or not, an irresponsible person will still be irresponsible. That's also why I don't like my hand being held on issues like this. Your body belongs to you, do what you want with it, the government has no say in what I put in my body. They should educate to protect, but not tell me I can't smoke if I want to. They don't take away my alcohol and I'll be damned if it isn't harmful.. I know first hand (alcoholic family).

However, cannabis is rather mild in its effects (mostly short term) and its long-term side effects are null, some studies (linked in previous post) show benefits. Not to mention the countless medical uses for it. Compared to all the other legal substances, cannabis looks like a joke on the negative effects scale.

To counter the "I have a friend who is a bum because he smokes weed" stories: I have two room mates. They both smoke regularly. One dropped out because of being a bum. The other is making all As and will be starting his masters program next year.

They both had the specific traits (studious, not-studious) prior to weed. Whether or not the weed amplified this is debatable, but what really matters is that being a bum is a personal problem, not the fault of cannabis.

Yada, yada, etc, etc..

[Doppleganger]

I have huge doubts about it passing. Still too much ignorance and lies out there.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... UJ98UK78Sg

go down to page 7 56% of registered voters favoring legalizing and taxing marijuana.

They still have to show up and vote for it. Always hard for stoners.

lolol
They really do look good but i don't think they will hold up. The campaign against this is going to be vicious. Remember when prop 8 was going on? It looked really strong that it wouldn't pass and look how that turned out. I really would be blown away if it passes.

[XemnasXD]

better than alcohol by miles imo...vote should be interesting

[Jstar1]

Just because nothing bad happens after smoking several joints doesn't mean its bad, but that doesn't mean pot is good for you either. Personally, I wouldn't do anything like that even if there are no immediate bad effects. What if 40 or 50 years down the road, you get medical problems from too much pot? Its just common sense to know that there IS going to be some kind of a change, long term or short term if you do something that alters your body chemistry. It'd be funny if pot users get cancer or whatever and then come back to a 2010 post on SRF and think to themselves "why was I so fcking stupid back then?". But then again, its your right, nobody should tell you what to do.

Personally, I don't like the trend that drugs are going through in America. You know how China got owned by europe and Japan back in the late 19th century/early 20th century? They handed out opium to chinese people and they couldn't do anything to fight back cause they were so drugged. Now of course marijuana isn't bad as opium, but the fact that our country is heading toward the direction of legalizing drugs is disturbing to me. 30 years down the road, I don't want to see alcoholics running our government and alcoholics running the military when china/russia decides to attack america or something. History repeats itself.

Irony & Stop being a tool.

Is that all you ever do when you disagree with someone? Throw insults? I thought you were like a 20-something. Acts more like a high school freshman. Grow up.

I'm just pointing out the potential for marijuana to do bad than good. If people get a taste for pot, well then here we are in 2040..hey guys lets decriminalize crack, oh and maybe heroin, etc. etc. Get where this could go?

If california wants to legalize pot for the tax revenue, and if they can fill their deficit hole, then great. But our country should be focusing on better ways to increase tax income and increase jobs through industry (like alternative energy industry) and other methods of robust growth. Having to legalize and tax pot because of a deficit is pathetic. We should be looking for a way to increase tax revenue and job growth that benefits us long-term.

[Jstar1]

Just because nothing bad happens after smoking several joints doesn't mean its bad, but that doesn't mean pot is good for you either. Personally, I wouldn't do anything like that even if there are no immediate bad effects. What if 40 or 50 years down the road, you get medical problems from too much pot? Its just common sense to know that there IS going to be some kind of a change, long term or short term if you do something that alters your body chemistry. It'd be funny if pot users get cancer or whatever and then come back to a 2010 post on SRF and think to themselves "why was I so fcking stupid back then?". But then again, its your right, nobody should tell you what to do.

Personally, I don't like the trend that drugs are going through in America. You know how China got owned by europe and Japan back in the late 19th century/early 20th century? They handed out opium to chinese people and they couldn't do anything to fight back cause they were so drugged. Now of course marijuana isn't bad as opium, but the fact that our country is heading toward the direction of legalizing drugs is disturbing to me. 30 years down the road, I don't want to see alcoholics running our government and alcoholics running the military when china/russia decides to attack america or something. History repeats itself.

Irony & Stop being a tool.

Is that all you ever do when you disagree with someone? Throw insults? I thought you were like a 20-something. Acts more like a high school freshman. Grow up.

I'm just pointing out the potential for marijuana to do bad than good. If people get a taste for pot, well then here we are in 2040..hey guys lets decriminalize crack, oh and maybe heroin, etc. etc. Get where this could go?

If california wants to legalize pot for the tax revenue, and if they can fill their deficit hole, then great. They were always a hippy progressive kind of state. But our country should be focusing on better ways to increase tax income and increase jobs through industry (like alternative energy industry) and other methods of robust growth. Having to legalize and tax pot because of a deficit is pathetic and un-American. We should be looking for a way to increase tax revenue and job growth that benefits us long-term.

[TOloseGT]

lol, i'd be all put out if they were trying to legalize meth or cocaine, but they're not.

IT'S MARIJUANA, COME Farking ON.

it's less harmful than alcohol for ****'s sake

[EvGa]

If california wants to legalize pot for the tax revenue, and if they can fill their deficit hole, then great. But our country should be focusing on better ways to increase tax income and increase jobs through industry (like alternative energy industry) and other methods of robust growth. Having to legalize and tax pot because of a deficit is pathetic. We should be looking for a way to increase tax revenue and job growth that benefits us long-term.

Or they could do both. 1+1 = 2, instead of just 1.

[Jstar1]

except..the alternative energy one is not happening right now. There needs to be a market for alternative energy and the government needs to promote investment into alternative energy startups. This is why the alternative energy industry is tiny and pathetic in America. There is no incentive for growth. Now obviously bush, the criminal that ruined the country's fiscal situation and intruded on individual rights, didn't do anything. Hopefully obama will make something happen in 2011.

[EvGa]

Your partisanship, it is showing.

My previous statement meant, do both. Tax weed, expand the alternative energy market. We can do both.

[Jstar1]

hahaha it seems like I'm a tree-hugging liberal doesn't it? I'm actually a moderate if you take a look at my political positions. I'm not bashing bush because he's a republican, I'm bashing him because he's an idiot.

I agree with GOP on some points but right now I hate them because of their hypocrisy and stupidity. Healthcare reform is fucking socialism. my ass.

[dom]

Lol I predict not much difference. Except for ppl not getting in trouble for it ... I don't smoke, and still won't if it becomes legal, but I know some people that do.. and still will when it's legal.. So no difference there at least.

side effects?

if you use it with some responsiblity it's no worse than drinking alcohol.

I hate how some people assume they know everything about weed because they smoke it ( not insinuating you do either) because I have heard that there is no such thing as being perma fried. That's is some major Bullshit lol. My GF's Friends Dad is Perma fried.. as is his 17 yr Son. And this guy I was in Youthbuild with is perma fried. Even after not smoking for over 3 months or so(drug tested a lot) he was still the same as before. There is only one person I know that his life didn't change for the worse when he smoked weed. As heroo stated "Responsibility". A lot of pot heads lack it.

There's a difference between the 16 year old kid you met at band camp and a professional that smokes a joint on weekends while playing super mario.

Drunk i've risked my life and dont regrettable things. Stoned the worse I do is spill my poutine on my shirt.

[Barotix]

Just because nothing bad happens after smoking several joints doesn't mean its bad, but that doesn't mean pot is good for you either. Personally, I wouldn't do anything like that even if there are no immediate bad effects. What if 40 or 50 years down the road, you get medical problems from too much pot? Its just common sense to know that there IS going to be some kind of a change, long term or short term if you do something that alters your body chemistry. It'd be funny if pot users get cancer or whatever and then come back to a 2010 post on SRF and think to themselves "why was I so fcking stupid back then?". But then again, its your right, nobody should tell you what to do.

Personally, I don't like the trend that drugs are going through in America. You know how China got owned by europe and Japan back in the late 19th century/early 20th century? They handed out opium to chinese people and they couldn't do anything to fight back cause they were so drugged. Now of course marijuana isn't bad as opium, but the fact that our country is heading toward the direction of legalizing drugs is disturbing to me. 30 years down the road, I don't want to see alcoholics running our government and alcoholics running the military when china/russia decides to attack america or something. History repeats itself.

Irony & Stop being a tool.

Is that all you ever do when you disagree with someone? Throw insults? I thought you were like a 20-something. Acts more like a high school freshman. Grow up.

I'm just pointing out the potential for marijuana to do bad than good. If people get a taste for pot, well then here we are in 2040..hey guys lets decriminalize crack, oh and maybe heroin, etc. etc. Get where this could go?

If california wants to legalize pot for the tax revenue, and if they can fill their deficit hole, then great. They were always a hippy progressive kind of state. But our country should be focusing on better ways to increase tax income and increase jobs through industry (like alternative energy industry) and other methods of robust growth. Having to legalize and tax pot because of a deficit is pathetic and un-American. We should be looking for a way to increase tax revenue and job growth that benefits us long-term.

Insults? It's only insulting because it's true, honey bun.

Yes, it would lead to less drug-related crimes and higher tax revenue. I would rather have the substances be controlled and regulated by medical professionals and government officials than thugs with guns. Lol@ you calling it un-American. We will have alternate energy when Government gets out of bed with our current source of energy.

BTW, Heroin is already legal. It's called morphine and there are so many cases of people walking in the streets hopped up on morphine, bro.

[Jstar1]

Your partisanship, it is showing.

My previous statement meant, do both. Tax weed, expand the alternative energy market. We can do both.

hahaha I got confused I thought I was talking to zypher. Your avatar is so similar to zypher's old one. You should change it lol jk.

[William-CL]

Perma fried? Wtf is that?
It's legal over here and it causes no problems at all.

It's the typical "Pot Head" that seems like they were born slow. Very mellow sometimes and stupid. It's someone you look at and can say "Oh he smokes Weed"

[dom]

Perma fried? Wtf is that?
It's legal over here and it causes no problems at all.

It's the typical "Pot Head" that seems like they were born slow. Very mellow sometimes and stupid. It's someone you look at and can say "Oh he smokes Weed"

Of course those types of people are attracted to smoking pot.

[Xyzzzy]

Ah, checked the Michigan specific page, I guess they don't add medicinal use into all that other stuff.

I live in Michigan, in Ann Arbor (where the university of michigan is) you can not be charged for having a small amount of pot on you
I'm not sure what they deem "small" I know its at least a couple grams that you can get away with

[Squirt]

Ah, checked the Michigan specific page, I guess they don't add medicinal use into all that other stuff.

I live in Michigan, in Ann Arbor (where the university of michigan is) you can not be charged for having a small amount of pot on you
I'm not sure what they deem "small" I know its at least a couple grams that you can get away with

Same in Massachsetts

[Apollion]

I got caught in MA with a halfsy and they just took it away, no fine no summons no arrests. Pigs just probably shhhhmoked it.

[Reise]

Just legalize it already, goddamn.

My dad got cancer from smoking cigarettes and that shit has always been legal.

[Evil_Venom]

I'm just pointing out the potential for marijuana to do bad than good. If people get a taste for pot, well then here we are in 2040..hey guys lets decriminalize crack, oh and maybe heroin, etc. etc. Get where this could go?

Weed is not in anyway close to smoking crack. First off the effects of smoking weed are rather mild.

Here is a list of the most common:

Dry mouth
Nausea
Headache
Tremor
Decreased coordination Increased heart rate
Altered pulmonary status
Altered body temperature
Reduced muscle strength
Decreased cerebral blood flow
Increased food consumption

The effects of smoking crack however are much more severe.

Here is a list of cracks effects:

Changes in blood pressure, heart rates, and breathing rates
Nausea
Vomiting
Anxiety
Convulsions
Insomnia
Loss of appetite leading to malnutrition and weight loss
Cold sweats
Swelling and bleeding of mucous membranes
Restlessness and anxiety
Damage to nasal cavities
Damage to lungs
Possible heart attacks, strokes, or convulsions


Hopefully you can see that crack is worse...

Also crack addicts often go through withdrawal. I'm not entirely sure about this but I don't think you ever go through withdrawal from weed. If you do it is a mere psychological want rather than a physical want that comes with crack withdrawal.


Now on to the point you made about eventually legalizing crack.

First off...

Even if the government has done some stupid things in the past their head isn't that far up their asses. In no way does anyone with the authority to propose decriminalizing crack want to or even have it remotely on their mind.

-Summary-
Crack fucks you up for days. Weed fucks you up for a few hours. Prolonged use of crack fucks you up for life. Prolonged use of weed fucks you up for a few more hours.

Even if the president was high on crack he wouldn't even think about legalizing that shit. It's stupid to think it would ever be legalized because weed was.

[Draquish]

Me being a former cocaine addict, I can say that Marijuana is the least of our worries.

Btw, there is prescription meth, cocaine...you name it. I had a list of street-prescription names; the only one I remember is prescription, synthetic Marijuana in pill form. It's name? Marynol(friend takes them for cancer...since MMJ is not "legal" in our state). The side effects of such pill are CURIOUSLY similar to those of smoking Marijuana(It still gets you high, I've tried them). A taxable, synthetic pill is perfectly legal, yet you can go to jail for having Marijuana in it's natural form.


GO CALIFORNIA!


EDIT: Imo, other hallucinogenics(yes, I dare say "other") will be put on the "legalization" spotlight. I'm sure Shrooms or some other wonderful organic marvel.

[xzaz]

Guys, legalization isn't a big deal.. its just like getting to a shop buying a bread.I live 10 minutes from a coffee shop and i have never been there.
But regulate the teelt and the usage is a good thing, you can put tax on it and you know where the people who smoke it are.

[Sovereign]

I'm for the legalization since:

-If people really want to smoke pot, then it's not like its hard to get it, wherever you go in the world. The only problem that faces buyers is the contact with people who are a bit shifty, and sometimes that can lead to problems and can pose unnecisary threats. So for the sake of the wellbeing of buyers then why not legalize it?

-Obviously weed isn't good for your health, but neither are so many other things that are available legally to us (alchool, perscription drugs etc), and since weed has some evidence to suggest that it isn't as potentially bad as some things that are out there, then I don't see why it shouldnt be legal as it falls under people's responsibility as to whether they smoke it or not.

-Also, in times where the economy isn't that great, then I'm sure that governments would appreciate a bit of a tax return from weed and so positive externalities could be a possiblity through the income of weed tax.

-Finally, some times after a hard day it so relaxing to just mellow out, STOP DENYING US!

[Midori]

I'm for the legalization since:

-If people really want to smoke pot, then it's not like its hard to get it, wherever you go in the world. The only problem that faces buyers is the contact with people who are a bit shifty, and sometimes that can lead to problems and can pose unnecisary threats. So for the sake of the wellbeing of buyers then why not legalize it?

-Obviously weed isn't good for your health, but neither are so many other things that are available legally to us (alchool, perscription drugs etc), and since weed has some evidence to suggest that it isn't as potentially bad as some things that are out there, then I don't see why it shouldnt be legal as it falls under people's responsibility as to whether they smoke it or not.

-Also, in times where the economy isn't that great, then I'm sure that governments would appreciate a bit of a tax return from weed and so positive externalities could be a possiblity through the income of weed tax.

-Finally, some times after a hard day it so relaxing to just mellow out, STOP DENYING US!

actually, its pretty difficult in japan.

[Blindfire]

Stoned the worse I do is spill my poutine on my shirt.

Dear god, the horrors!

[William-CL]

Stoned the worse I do is spill my poutine on my shirt.

Dear god, the horrors!

I know someone that got a tattoo on his "Man Junk"
Idk why he would do that stoned lol, maybe someone asked him and he just agreed

[xzaz]

I'm for the legalization since:

-If people really want to smoke pot, then it's not like its hard to get it, wherever you go in the world. The only problem that faces buyers is the contact with people who are a bit shifty, and sometimes that can lead to problems and can pose unnecisary threats. So for the sake of the wellbeing of buyers then why not legalize it?

-Obviously weed isn't good for your health, but neither are so many other things that are available legally to us (alchool, perscription drugs etc), and since weed has some evidence to suggest that it isn't as potentially bad as some things that are out there, then I don't see why it shouldnt be legal as it falls under people's responsibility as to whether they smoke it or not.

-Also, in times where the economy isn't that great, then I'm sure that governments would appreciate a bit of a tax return from weed and so positive externalities could be a possiblity through the income of weed tax.

-Finally, some times after a hard day it so relaxing to just mellow out, STOP DENYING US!

actually, its pretty difficult in japan.

Why do you want to smoke pot if you got Japanish TV

But rly i don't even know how it is to live in a country where it is illigal to smoke so i realy can't participate in this discussion but i think its a good thing to legilize

[William-CL]

Why do you want to smoke pot if you got Japanish TV

But rly i don't even know how it is to live in a country where it is illigal to smoke so i realy can't participate in this discussion but i think its a good thing to legilize

You should stop smoking. Japanese TV. That's like saying I wanna go to the Caribbean but I don't speak Caribbeashian. scrubs ftw

[dom]

Why do you want to smoke pot if you got Japanish TV

But rly i don't even know how it is to live in a country where it is illigal to smoke so i realy can't participate in this discussion but i think its a good thing to legilize

You should stop smoking. Japanese TV. That's like saying I wanna go to the Caribbean but I don't speak Caribbeashian. scrubs ftw

I'd like to see you carry on a conversation in Dutch.