Regarding Plvl rule and the Rebirth union

[Kronos]

taxi is allowed till 32..
powerlvl by union is allways allowed..
powerlvl from an outside union is NOT
is this clear?

You guys are seriously ridiculous. On KSRO we have the following rules and everything is running quite good so far (most of us are around Lv.60 now):

1. Don't take or give any taxi/plevel/pfarm!
2. PowerPts are only allowed in guild!

Most of our members accept (we voted for them) these 2 rules regarding plevel and we are having pts every day.

In my opinion your rules are still too soft to make a good, active and pting guild/union. Maybe you should make stricter rules about powerlevel and join only that ones, who actually want to play the game and not that ones, who prefer to hang around in plevel. If i were you, i would seriously think about banning cbkilla and all the other ones, who want to have plevel, from union. Anyway it's up to you, so good luck with your current rules, but i don't think you'll be succesfull in building a legit community like that.

[_Dutchy_]

taxi is allowed till 32..
powerlvl by union is allways allowed..
powerlvl from an outside union is NOT
is this clear?

You guys are seriously ridiculous. On KSRO we have the following rules and everything is running quite good so far (most of us are around Lv.60 now):

1. Don't take or give any taxi/plevel/pfarm!
2. PowerPts are only allowed in guild!

Most of our members accept (we voted for them) these 2 rules regarding plevel and we are having pts every day.

In my opinion your rules are still too soft to make a good, active and pting guild/union. Maybe you should make stricter rules about powerlevel and join only that ones, who actually want to play the game and not that ones, who prefer to hang around in plevel. If i were you, i would seriously think about banning cbkilla and all the other ones, who want to have plevel, from union. Anyway it's up to you, so good luck with your current rules, but i don't think you'll be succesfull in building a legit community like that.

We have the same rules in my opinion powerlvling to high lvl is extremly bad if that person wants to be a legit player. if a player gets pwrlvld from lets say o to about 50-60 wich is basicly normal now adays and they can't get powerlvl anymore and they have to star grinding.
they will be like wow this goes slow either quit or bot in 90% of the case.

[NuclearSilo]

why allow plvl in the first place? Force them to hand grind from level 1

[Dbett5]

why allow plvl in the first place? Force them to hand grind from level 1

you are such a douchebag go away

[NuclearSilo]

why allow plvl in the first place? Force them to hand grind from level 1

you are such a douchebag go away

nope you are
If you let them had plvl, when they can't have anymore, they'll feel lazy, level slow, farm slow, as you said, they'll turn to bot.
Your leader was maybe plvl by other ppl up to 50-60 he make such rule to not allow other members to have higher level and FF then him

[Nick Invaders]

I'd say allow outside taxi and plvl to 40. After that you can only be plvled by guildmates (or maybe unionmates). Guildmates will only plvl when they feel like helping lowbies and can't be requested to plvl too often, like maybe I'll get on and be like "ehh there aren't any parties, anyone willing to plvl me?" If no one wants to (or they are busy), then that's that. Go grind and ask again later (as in more than an hr later not like 3 mins later). Simple.

[Braka]

instead of stalling and waiting on a pt cbkilla how about u go out and solo like the rest of us , that is the reason we are 10 lvls higher then u

the rule about it staying in the union might work out better once powergirls / girlpower ?? if/when they join the union so calm down until then ppl they might be able to help u low lvl ppl in union abit

[cbkilla]

instead of stalling and waiting on a pt cbkilla how about u go out and solo like the rest of us , that is the reason we are 10 lvls higher then u

the rule about it staying in the union might work out better once powergirls / girlpower ?? if/when they join the union so calm down until then ppl they might be able to help u low lvl ppl in union abit

i lose more exp then i gain when i solo

[Braka]

ur bard that should not happen , go to lower mobs that u can 1 hit

[cbkilla]

ur bard that should not happen , go to lower mobs that u can 1 hit

then i get close to no exp lol

[TheKnight]

Aren't you happy what we're doing now, Bungwang pt and mobs comming all around, gained 5% alrdy, at 8 gap O.o

[cbkilla]

Aren't you happy what we're doing now, Bungwang pt and mobs comming all around, gained 5% alrdy, at 8 gap O.o

im very happy with the parties right now, but we only have them because its the weekend.

during the week its like a ghost town at this time.

[Braka]

low exp is better then no exp imo , if there is no share pt i will just go kill , if u keep doing what ur doing u will become a lazy lvler and not make it to high lvl imo depending on pt's ye u will die alot but u will learn more also by soloing

[Markoes1990]

im sorry if i was to harsh with my comment..
but remember guys.. this is the rule we all agreed with when we started so i say keep it like this..

just my oppinion..

[ltsune]

I think its time for me to entrance this thread, lol.

I've just finished reading all posts and well... it is kinda complicated

I'll post the cons and pros as I see them:

Cons:
- People WILL (at least some will) join the power lvl's all the time. This is exactly what happened to csro.
- Most people will be left even more behind as they simply do not have enough gold to buy taxi.
- Even though the rich players will get higher lvl, they'll be weaker as they used all their money on parties AND they'll get lazy and feel that not getting power lvl is very slow compared to what they're used to (the taxi's).

Pros:
- The rich players will get higher lvl.
- There will eventually be more parties.



In my head the only obvious conclusion of this is simply to not allow power lvl at all. But then again, that might not be the best idea, really. I think we should keep it as it is. If there are no parties, solo. If there are parties, go ahead.

Another point is that one more guild just joined our union. When that one is full there will be like 30 more people who plays in the parties.

[Nick Invaders]

My problem is, I solo because there are no parties needed for a lvl 24. You guys are already at bunwangs where I'm pretty much useless to you, unless you let me lure. Soloing is nowhere near as fast as partying so you guys get farther ahead while everyone else is lagging behind.

And on the new guild. I haven't seen or heard from anyone at all in the new guild.

[blablaz]

Why is it 32 though? I vote 40 too.

[ltsune]

My problem is, I solo because there are no parties needed for a lvl 24. You guys are already at bunwangs where I'm pretty much useless to you, unless you let me lure. Soloing is nowhere near as fast as partying so you guys get farther ahead while everyone else is lagging behind.

And on the new guild. I haven't seen or heard from anyone at all in the new guild.

I see your point but what it has to do with this rule I can't see? Remember we are debating weather or not it should be legitimated to get power lvl above lvl 32

Why is it 32 though? I vote 40 too.

This will be good for us who are already above lvl 32 indeed! But it won't help the lowbies which we want to get higher lvls ASAP. Because that's the point isn't it? To get the lowbies up so they can party with us, right?

[Squirt]

ltsune how about this...
As the most active players get a higher lvl, you raise the lvl that power lvling is allowed.
Let say most members are lvl 55, hows about we let the lower lvls to get taxi'd until lvl 45?

[blablaz]

My problem is, I solo because there are no parties needed for a lvl 24. You guys are already at bunwangs where I'm pretty much useless to you, unless you let me lure. Soloing is nowhere near as fast as partying so you guys get farther ahead while everyone else is lagging behind.

And on the new guild. I haven't seen or heard from anyone at all in the new guild.

I see your point but what it has to do with this rule I can't see? Remember we are debating weather or not it should be legitimated to get power lvl above lvl 32

Why is it 32 though? I vote 40 too.

This will be good for us who are already above lvl 32 indeed! But it won't help the lowbies which we want to get higher lvls ASAP. Because that's the point isn't it? To get the lowbies up so they can party with us, right?

The only problem is, some people can't play for shit. We made a bung party earlier, was damn good. Then some people left and we tried again after ctf with others. Guess what? EPIC FAIL. Anyway, if you make rules also enforce 'em. I've seen at least 1 person getting pleveled from around 31-32 to 38. And this is just a person I noticed, cuz the dude does basically nothing in parties.

[Braka]

name and shame them then tbh , there is always ppl around the same lvl online most just cant contact each other most of the time

[Ch4otik]

alright. here's my 10 cents.
point number 1. we did not ALL start at the same time.
point number 2. not everyone is on at the same time due to varying time zones as well as varying schedules.
point number 3. partying gives you crazy exp compared to soloing. (and we all agree to that, right?)

ok. from those points so far. i'll build a proposition.
seems to me like the problem is. lower levels feel left out. and want to catch up to higher levels super fast. thus, their want of powerlevel.
i originally typed out a long story, but scratch that. here's the point. from what i've seen so far in the two Iris guilds, partying works even if you're 10 levels below if it's a balanced party.
also. i don't really see the difference between power leveling and party leveling. if there's a difference, it's minimal.
so. get used to partying.
final point. if there's any union party going on, join it. if there's none, try and start one. if your level isn't right for the party, find/create one around ur level. if you can't get one started, it's not the end of the world. you don't have to ALWAYS party with union members.
if none of those options work. then u can resort to soloing. i've done it. that's how i got to 33 from 31. well. not really. 70% partying. but u get my idea. and don't just solo. those quests help with like 130k exp pts. the end.

BTW. i'm 33 and i was partying with those level 40s/upper 30s on bunwangs the other day. 'twas fun. long as there's a cleric that is. hence my point on the balanced party.

ok. i'm finally done. phew. that was the longest post i ever did.

[Markoes1990]

as the leader of rebirth i say powerlvl is allowed till 32 like it has allways been.

revive i hope you will do the same.

[Braka]

everyone thinks its a race , we cant all be same lvl we would be fighting over pt spots ;p imo there is just some lazy grinders out there and the plvl excuse sounds nice for them sry but its true ;p

[blahblahblah]

I consider a "taxi" to be abusing a bug or system glitch and to participate in a "taxi" would be in violation of the Terms of Use established by Joymax. Now, good day sir.

[Ch4otik]

everyone thinks its a race , we cant all be same lvl we would be fighting over pt spots ;p imo there is just some lazy grinders out there and the plvl excuse sounds nice for them sry but its true ;p

lol. that was supposed to be part of my point. i was trying to be considerate and not state it that way because not all are "lazy grinders".
that's why i emphasized the point that we didn't all start at the same time.

[ninshad]

if youre not pting and have no choice but to solo, DO QUESTS. they do give a bit of nice exp at 2x and 3x

[Phaedra]

Well, I'm not in the guild and/or union but maybe I want to join just for fun. So, this plvl thing...since it's not illegal I don't see the point in arguing. I used to plvl my friends on Odin with my wizard when I had some free time. Since we were playin together on RedSea too but one of my friend's char got hacked we moved to Odin. So my opinion is if any1 has any free time and want to help others then why not?

[Miguez]

I kind of understand this, couple weeks ago me and my classmates started playing, one of them was already a level 28 wizard and we joined him, he plvled us till like 15 where some of us started playing while others stayed in powerlevel, some days I ago me and one of my friends had been parting on our own at mobs 2-4 levels lower, we were lower level than the ones who stayed in powerlevel but we had money and party experience while the powerlevelled ones wanted to borrow money and couldn't party for shit.

So yeah I understand this rule, powerlevel is good, but to a point, if you do it too much you'll get addicted and you won't be able to play on your own.

[Ownage]

I see the main problem with finding pt's is the timezone difference, so why don't you just make each guild with people in a certain time zone. Like one is Gmt-5 to GMT another being GMT to GMT+5, just a suggestion