Health Care Reform

[Ownage]

Well even though I don't like it, its passed so I'll live, Republicans won't possibly be dumb enough to get rid of it now. This is pretty much like Medicare/Medicaid in 1960's.

[salmissra]

hmm i barely understand most of it but as long as it helps people im down for it. But truly, these days it's like picking between 2 extremes..hard for moderates >.<

[XMoshe]

I heard some people who were whining against it lol but I'm sure every single one of the people who are against this plan have health care themselves. They should imagine it how it would be if they didn't have it ugh >.>

[Nyx]

We let the government control our money via the Federal Reserve, and that is failing us. Face it, everything the FEDERAL government tries to control ends up failing/going bankrupt. Bureaucracy only complicates things. You really want them in charge of your health too now?

/Libertarian

Spoiler!

[Jstar1]

^owned? lol

Anyways, hopefully all the anger will subside soon. By nature, people are afraid of change simply because of the uncertainty and unknown so in a way they just might be overreacting. Everyone likes to live the way they always did.

But after time and we educate the people about healthcare, and once they start buying it and realizing "oh hey this ain't too bad" "oh hey the insurance companies can't raise my premiums" "oh hey healthcare is a little cheaper" "oh hey they aren't going to euthanize granny", maybe they will shut their traps and national healthcare becomes the new norm.

[TheDrop]

Apparently 14 states are/planning on sueing the fed for the bill being unconstitutional, including va. So our governor has signed a law saying we don't have to buy healthcare

[Disconn3cted]

I hate insurance companies. I would prefer if the federal government paid for all of it even at the expense of higher taxes. There would be less greed involved.

[William-CL]

I have come in way late lol.
My thoughts on the Abortion thing.. . . If you don't wanna have kids.. then don't bang. (rape would be an exception for obvious reasons)

[Love]

I have come in way late lol.
My thoughts on the Abortion thing.. . . If you don't wanna have kids.. then don't bang. (rape would be an exception for obvious reasons)

My thoughts on abortion are ..... mind your own fking business.

[William-CL]

I have come in way late lol.
My thoughts on the Abortion thing.. . . If you don't wanna have kids.. then don't bang. (rape would be an exception for obvious reasons)

My thoughts on abortion are ..... mind your own fking business.

Oh sweet.. my opinion angered someone I Love America

[XMoshe]

I have come in way late lol.
My thoughts on the Abortion thing.. . . If you don't wanna have kids.. then don't bang. (rape would be an exception for obvious reasons)

My thoughts on abortion are ..... mind your own fking business.

Oh sweet.. my opinion angered someone I Love America

I assume you know we don't only 'bang' for reproduction so that's just a bit too easy to say.

[William-CL]

My thoughts on abortion are ..... mind your own fking business.

Oh sweet.. my opinion angered someone I Love America

I assume you know we don't only 'bang' for reproduction so that's just a bit too easy to say.

I know lol. I just didn't have any words of wisdom to show I don't like Abortion. However I DO believe it is the woman's right, I just wouldn't approve if that makes sense.

[Barotix]

It was... inevitable? Why fight it? They've been planning for Universal Health Care since the "great" society, it was only a matter of time. It's not the end of the world, I lol@ my buddies who want to leave the country because this bill passed. Where you gonna go? Canada? They have it. Europe? Tough Shit. South America? Good luck with that. China? I hear people are "free" there. This is coming from a libertarian, fyi. We've been using "socialism" (lol, really? such a loaded word) for awhile now. Personally, I would rather have "socialism" than corporatism. Libertarianism is a pipe dream, always has been. A man can dream though.

Also, we don't have a "free market" healthcare system. Government is in bed with insurance corporations, what we have is corporatism. Now, government intends to kill their lover and take complete control? What. difference. is. there.

Instead of

Government ~> Insurance ~> Business ~> Insurance ~> Hospital/Doctor ~> Insurance ~> People
It's
Government ~> Doctor/Hospital ~> People

It hasn't been
Doctor/Hospital ~> People
in awhile.

[EvGa]

But they are steal'in dem der furrrreeeduuums!

I dun told ma that we gunna succedd from tha union! Come and take it!

/end stereotype.

Sorry..I had to. That's a lot of what you hear around here.. maybe not that extreme, but close.

[cpinney]

But they are steal'in dem der furrrreeeduuums!

I dun told ma that we gunna succedd from tha union! Come and take it!

/end stereotype.

Sorry..I had to. That's a lot of what you hear around here.. maybe not that extreme, but close.

no its that extreme, its rather pathetic, makes me and at the same time.

[Jstar1]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

[bot_antist]

I trust ObamaI trust Obama I trust Obama

[Jstar1]

lol you think thats naive? I dont believe in new world order bullshit or 1984 type conspiracies. When the government wants to install full body scanners at the airport, that isn't some kind of big brother scary "omg the government is spying on us". just necessary security.

[Blurred]

The New World Order will take control of your worthless minds. They will put you in FEMA concentration camps and control the entire human population, starting with our Health Care System. We're all doomed!

Just kidding I'm bored, or am I?

[Midori]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

I feel the exact same way, except the part about trusting the government to do the right thing. I don't put my full trust into that.

[Love]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

Because the government continuously gives us reasons to trust them amiright ?

Also I wouldn't give much thought to the popular conspiracy theories, your fellow men are what's going to get you ( people working against their best interest while being oblivious of the actual problems ftw ). ftr I consider monopolies to be our biggest enemy( systems that grant them and defend them are obviously a part of it but are only that ).

[Shadow]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

The government is a servant; merely a temporary servant. It is not some higher power before whom you must bow and lick its dirty shoes. It is not guided by an invisible hand of some good god. They are regular people with their own desires, agendas and points of view. One who follows them blindly is a tool.

Notice that I didn't say "fight the government", "government is evil by nature" or "oppose its actions whatever they are". One who understands the good of his country never stops questioning the actions of the government.

[Barotix]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

Oh History! Dearest History... How you have fallen on deaf ears! Look, look! How we put man on a pedestal. Idols, the lot of them.

[Jstar1]

^hmm what?

The government is a servant; merely a temporary servant. It is not some higher power before whom you must bow and lick its dirty shoes. It is not guided by an invisible hand of some good god. They are regular people with their own desires, agendas and points of view. One who follows them blindly is a tool.

The government is not a servant. We aren't above them, but that doesn't mean they are above us. The government and the people are on equal terms, basically a contract between the 2. I pay taxes, you protect me, offer public education, keep infastructure good, and help in a natural disaster, etc.

I just wish that people would be more trustful and be more open to the government instead of screaming "no" whenever it tries to do something.
Its pathetic how some people whine about socialism when there are so many things in our country that are standardized or nationalized or publicly funded. Like car safety inspection, national highway administration, education, etc. Healthcare is a right, and government should be responsible for giving us that right.

Anyone who says the word "socialism" in a discussion about Obama's policies or administration is a fucking moron who has his head pushed up fox new's butt so far, the only thing they smell is the bullshit fox spews out.

[Shadow]

The government is not a servant. We aren't above them, but that doesn't mean they are above us. The government and the people are on equal terms, basically a contract between the 2. I pay taxes, you protect me, offer public education, keep infastructure good, and help in a natural disaster, etc.

In democracy we, the people, choose the government. The government does not choose the people. I think that alone puts us above the government.
A servant is one who is paid to serve. The government serves us using our money, and they are paid for it, again by our money. I believe that makes the government a servant.
It is a tool created for the purpose of managing the country. If you bow before a servant that you pay for, who was hired to serve you, what does it make you?

When things go wrong and the people become the servant.... The third Reich, USSR, China, and so on.

[Jstar1]

I don't think the government is a servant to us, I think we are on equal terms with the government on a contract - as in we have citizenship. We are obliged to pay taxes and follow the laws here but in return for that we get a bunch of benefits. I see it as a mutual relationship, not a top-down thing.

[Shadow]

I don't think the government is a servant to us, I think we are on equal terms with the government on a contract - as in we have citizenship. We are obliged to pay taxes and follow the laws here but in return for that we get a bunch of benefits. I see it as a mutual relationship, not a top-down thing.

The sole purpose of the government and all of its actions is to benefit the people. We owe nothing to the government. Citizenship just determines which utility system (government) is the one that serves us. We pay taxes, and this utility system channels the money back to us in a way that benefits us more as a whole, and takes a portion of the money as upkeep. It enforces the laws, the rules that come from the people (though indirectly), because it benefits the people.

I believe this is the perfect scene, and how it should be; and where I live this is how it is, or at least very, very close.

[xzaz]

Americans, all they think about it socialism and Nationalism, like that are bad systems.
All systems are bad except for kapitalism :') ignorance at the top.

[TheDrop]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

i really dont think you would be writing that if Bush was still president or if McCain won the election in '08

[Love]

why do people distrust the american government so much? Shouldn't there be mutual trust between the citizens and the government? Why do so many people go nuts when they hear the word "government"? I trust obama and I trust the federal government that they will do the right thing.

i really dont think you would be writing that if Bush was still president or if McCain won the election in '08

Did something good happen to upset any of those 2 presidential picks ? Kinda disconnected from the world here.

Also as Barotix nicely pointed out, what happened to our history? nowhere to be found it appears, and you don't even have to look that far back, very recent history ~4 years ago is more than enough to slap reality in your face.