BuDo wrote:I doubt in any city you are allowed to discharge your firearm in a public street unless you were defending yourself from a life threathening situation. I'm sure his gun permit doesn't give him the right to shoot dogs in a city. He's gonna be in some trouble for sure. What if a bullet bounced off the pavement and hit someone? I've seen on the news people who got killed in that exact manner. Bullets don't always get lodged into the first thing they hit.
I'd bet that if he was legally carrying the firearm, a jury would let him off easy because he was defending the other dogs' lives, and/or other peoples'.
BuDo wrote:I doubt in any city you are allowed to discharge your firearm in a public street unless you were defending yourself from a life threathening situation. I'm sure his gun permit doesn't give him the right to shoot dogs in a city. He's gonna be in some trouble for sure. What if a bullet bounced off the pavement and hit someone? I've seen on the news people who got killed in that exact manner. Bullets don't always get lodged into the first thing they hit.
I'd bet that if he was legally carrying the firearm, a jury would let him off easy because he was defending the other dogs' lives, and/or other peoples'.
Grow up...a jury wont be needed to try his case unless he accidentally shot someone when he was trying to shoot the dog. A visit with a judge is enough which is exactly whats gonna happen to him. And if he had accidentally shot someone he would be charged for involuntary manslaughter whether he has a permit to carry a weapon.
A permit doesn't excuse you when someone is killed as a result of your actions. And a permit doesn't excuse you for potentially putting people's life in danger.You will be charged. You might be allowed to carry a gun but I am sure you are never allowed to use it in a public environment with so many people walking/driving by. Unless YOUR life was in danger. Not some dog's life.
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I see since you are undoubtedly the most knowledgeable person on the planet, your intelligence is on another level than mine.
Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about.
State laws vary. You'd do well to look them up. Unfortunately since we have no idea where this took place we can't determine clearly what would/would not happen. Permits excuse carrying and discharging in self defense. If someone else's life was in danger of attack, you can bet your ass killing the dog to save their life would be justified. Small claims before a judge for killing somebody's stray rottweiler might still end in the shooter's favor.
absolutely ridiculous. There were plenty of people around to protect the dogs before authorities arrived.. btw the authorities arrived only SECONDS later!!! Thus is a case of a man shooting a dog because he WANTS to shoot a dog, not because he needs to. People should not be allowed to carry weapons in public! ESPECIALLY in lower class areas like this one! This is why people get shot, because people like this man!
I see since you are undoubtedly the most knowledgeable person on the planet, your intelligence is on another level than mine.
Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about.
State laws vary. You'd do well to look them up. Unfortunately since we have no idea where this took place we can't determine clearly what would/would not happen. Permits excuse carrying and discharging in self defense. If someone else's life was in danger of attack, you can bet your ass killing the dog to save their life would be justified. Small claims before a judge for killing somebody's stray rottweiler might still end in the shooter's favor.
Another weak ass argument....As I have already stated there is no reason to discharge your firearm in public unless YOUR life is in danger. Not some Dog's life..and as far as the video showed nobody's life was in danger from either of the dogs.
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The only thing that should of been shot is the owner(s). I did not watch the video, and I don't really want to watch it, as it would upset me. But it is more then likely the owner of the rottie done nothing to stop his dog from attacking the other one.
Sharp324 wrote:From the looks of what they are, none should own a gun. And hell they probably fought the dogs before or something.
as always, your redneck insight is a beacon of wisdom for all of us here
OnT: I don't like guns or people using guns. would've preferred if he used a bat or something...seems like bringing a grenade launcher to a sword fight...
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Reise wrote:And what would you do if there was a dog running the streets attacking people's animals? Just let it do its thing until police showed up?
Seriously, start shooting in public.. That's farked up! and I'm pretty sure they could done something else.
Now what can happen next, you might ask? #Don't wait for something crazy to happen.. Just start shooting# Is this what you want? Well, It was wrong what he did.
Reise wrote:You can't tell from the video whether or not someone was in danger.
All the shit goes down off-camera.
And what would you do if there was a dog running the streets attacking people's animals? Just let it do its thing until police showed up?
Arguing with an idiot only makes me a bigger idiot. To show how moronic your argument is....the rottweiler had no interest in attacking any "human" in that video...If it wanted to attack a person it wouldav done so from the begining. It was soley interested in fighting the pittbull. The pittbul was being guarded by as many as 3 human beings and non of them got attacked by the rottweiler for doing so.
I've already stated that nowhere in the states will the law excuse a civilian from discharging their firearm on a public street in the middle of day with people around for this kind of situation. And for some moronic reason you seem to want to dispute that. And if someone was being attacked by a dog I'm sure some members of public will gather together and stop the attack.
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Bullets don't spray all over and ricochet a billion times. It's not like he was shooting from across the street, either.
You bleeding hearts would be responsible for more than just one animal's death had it been you there instead of the shooter.
BuDo wrote:I've already stated that nowhere in the states will the law excuse a civilian from discharging their firearm on a public street in the middle of day with people around for this kind of situation. And for some moronic reason you seem to want to dispute that.
Because I'm not seeing anything but your words here. Show me one instance where someone discharged their weapon in their defense or the defense of another person where the shooter was prosecuted for doing so during daylight and around other people.
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1 bullet is all it takes u dam moron....when were you born? This morning?...1 bullet to miss and bounce of the pavement or a manhole cover or any hard surface...Jesus..you are dense...and I am done with this.
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Reise wrote:Bullets don't Farking bounce off pavement. Especially slugs designed to deform like those commonly used in handguns.
You're an idiot....Its not about what happened...or what wont happen.The big issue is the "Potential Danger". Your thick skull can't seem to grasp that. All you can see is that nonbody got shot and the chances of someone getting shot is pretty low ...when in fact what the law sees is the "PONTENTIAL DANGER" Which is what this guy is gonna be in trouble for.
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klokus wrote:every dog that bites has to be killed
Uhm no. It depends on the situation. It's like saying a criminal is attacking the president. The president's dog protects his master by bitting the attacker => the dog has to be killed. Police's dogs also use mouth to bite, don't expect them to use only claws
Sharp324 wrote:From the looks of what they are, none should own a gun. And hell they probably fought the dogs before or something.
as always, your redneck insight is a beacon of wisdom for all of us here
OnT: I don't like guns or people using guns. would've preferred if he used a bat or something...seems like bringing a grenade launcher to a sword fight...
You would have preferred he beat the dog to death with a bat? Well, that is certainly an interesting opinion. lol
My opinion: It's really scary that they chose to use a gun with so many people around over something so stupid. No one seemed to be in any immediate danger-including the two dogs. A lot of other approaches could have been taken. It isn't the dogs life that concerns me, but the willingness to resort to using a gun.
BuDo wrote:You're an idiot....Its not about what happened...or what wont happen.The big issue is the "Potential Danger". Your thick skull can't seem to grasp that. All you can see is that nonbody got shot and the chances of someone getting shot is pretty low ...when in fact what the law sees is the "PONTENTIAL DANGER" Which is what this guy is gonna be in trouble for.
Sharp324 wrote:From the looks of what they are, none should own a gun. And hell they probably fought the dogs before or something.
as always, your redneck insight is a beacon of wisdom for all of us here
OnT: I don't like guns or people using guns. would've preferred if he used a bat or something...seems like bringing a grenade launcher to a sword fight...
You would have preferred he beat the dog to death with a bat? Well, that is certainly an interesting opinion. lol
My opinion: It's really scary that they chose to use a gun with so many people around over something so stupid. No one seemed to be in any immediate danger-including the two dogs. A lot of other approaches could have been taken. It isn't the dogs life that concerns me, but the willingness to resort to using a gun.
see thats why i suggested a bat. It more in line with what the situation demanded. You use a gun like bears or lion or packs of wolves, but you really didn't need to bring out a gun to handle that dog, maybe if it had started attacking people but until then...reminds me of this
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you make it sound like its hard to beat a rottweiler to death with a bat...im pretty skinny but even i can swing a bat with enough force to kill or seriously injure a person...a dog would stand no chance...
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not hope...this is a simple matter of size and weight, unless dogs have a higher bone density than im imagining, a metal bat to the head is taking him down...a wooden one would probably work too, also dogs are cowards, all dogs. IDC how aggressive you think they are if you show them enough pain they're going to back off, its just how dogs work...unless its rabid...
and stop saying fight, we're not two screaming chicks swinging a bat around mindlessly. We're two grown men who i should hope know how to swing a bat...there is no contest...you're not taking a chance...
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Well all I can say here is that I hope if you ever did have to attack a vicious dog, that you'd get the jump on it somehow. That one swing is all you'd likely get.
Personally I wouldn't chance it. Too many unknowns, and the dog may well have been rabid. Maybe hitting it would just make it more pissed off.
on paper this was fairly reasonable, etc, etc, but when you actually watch the video you see a ninja being a hateful ninja in all his greatness.
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