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HejsaN wrote:
BuDo wrote:Private servers are a waste of time and effort for it's players. At any moment all your work can be lost if the real company decides to go after private projects that are asking for "donations". It was either Venice team or Joymax.

They cant do shit about emulators.


Explain that one for us because simply saying they can't isn't an argument. As far as I am concerned any company willing (Like Joymax) can do something about you and me making tons of money from their creation.
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Since the creators of the emulators basically didnt take anything from the game, they coded it all up by theirself

An emulator in computer sciences duplicates (provides an emulation of) the functions of one system using a different system, so that the second system behaves like (and appears to be) the first system.


Copyright laws are not yet in effect to address saving the documentation and specifications of proprietary software and hardware in an emulator module.

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The client and all the data are still property of Joymax.

And recent courts have ruled in favor or Blizzard over emulators. So protector for emulation is not fool proof and have been overturned in court already.

Blizzard hasn't been as active lately on that issue, but for Joymax their loss of revenue will be more pertinent and will go after even emulators.

Also reverse engineering is a violation regardless if it's an emulation or not.

Recently Blizzard won against Battle.net emulator also. Emulation is not legal if it interacts with the property of the copyrighted material. Plain and simple.

And guess what? eSRO server emulator interacts with copyrighted material, it's illegal and they will lose in court if Joymax decides to press charges. And what they are essentially doing is reverse engineering and this has been illegal well before game emulators existed.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA

eSRO is very much illegal in just about every way.

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HejsaN wrote:Since the creators of the emulators basically didnt take anything from the game, they coded it all up by theirself

An emulator in computer sciences duplicates (provides an emulation of) the functions of one system using a different system, so that the second system behaves like (and appears to be) the first system.


Copyright laws are not yet in effect to address saving the documentation and specifications of proprietary software and hardware in an emulator module.


Your findings here must be outdated since accroding to Wello27 Blizzard won their case against an emulated version of their game. The scientific definition of what an emulation is in your findings is a bit ambigious as well. I'm sure it mustav been brought up in court by the defense but still wasn't sufficient to win the case against Blizzard.
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I'm a man, I accept defeat. :sohappy:

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Wello27 wrote:The client and all the data are still property of Joymax.

And recent courts have ruled in favor or Blizzard over emulators. So protector for emulation is not fool proof and have been overturned in court already.

Blizzard hasn't been as active lately on that issue, but for Joymax their loss of revenue will be more pertinent and will go after even emulators.

Also reverse engineering is a violation regardless if it's an emulation or not.

Recently Blizzard won against Battle.net emulator also. Emulation is not legal if it interacts with the property of the copyrighted material. Plain and simple.

And guess what? eSRO server emulator interacts with copyrighted material, it's illegal and they will lose in court if Joymax decides to press charges. And what they are essentially doing is reverse engineering and this has been illegal well before game emulators existed.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA

eSRO is very much illegal in just about every way.


I am going to laugh so hard if Esro actually comes out and then the next day they are sued by joymax lololol..

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twistedorgy wrote:
Wello27 wrote:The client and all the data are still property of Joymax.

And recent courts have ruled in favor or Blizzard over emulators. So protector for emulation is not fool proof and have been overturned in court already.

Blizzard hasn't been as active lately on that issue, but for Joymax their loss of revenue will be more pertinent and will go after even emulators.

Also reverse engineering is a violation regardless if it's an emulation or not.

Recently Blizzard won against Battle.net emulator also. Emulation is not legal if it interacts with the property of the copyrighted material. Plain and simple.

And guess what? eSRO server emulator interacts with copyrighted material, it's illegal and they will lose in court if Joymax decides to press charges. And what they are essentially doing is reverse engineering and this has been illegal well before game emulators existed.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA

eSRO is very much illegal in just about every way.


I am going to laugh so hard if Esro actually comes out and then the next day they are sued by joymax lololol..



QuibaX wrote:That's just one person thinking that.
He shoud read it hisself.

It is partially true, however, as long as you don't touch the game's client file's and only interact with the computer's memory they can't do anyting as it's still their game.
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Guys just understand this. Emulators are illegal and legal. Legal if you use it only for your self for education purposes ( but not use it for public use )

illegal if its use for public use. Like hosting the server. Your still using joymax client and all this data so its copyright. Meaning you wont win.

Now you might be thinking, but Joymax is on korea they cant sue me. (Which in fact i've heard many ppl actually say this ) is not entirely true. They also have a corporation here for international silkroad, which means they can and will sue you.
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Yani wrote:Guys just understand this. Emulators are illegal and legal. Legal if you use it only for your self for education purposes ( but not use it for public use )

illegal if its use for public use. Like hosting the server. Your still using joymax client and all this data so its copyright. Meaning you wont win.

Now you might be thinking, but Joymax is on korea they cant sue me. (Which in fact i've heard many ppl actually say this ) is not entirely true. They also have a corporation here for international silkroad, which means they can and will sue you.


client is released as public content and can be used to whatever extent as long as it is not modified or defaced.

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Eckoro wrote:
Yani wrote:Guys just understand this. Emulators are illegal and legal. Legal if you use it only for your self for education purposes ( but not use it for public use )

illegal if its use for public use. Like hosting the server. Your still using joymax client and all this data so its copyright. Meaning you wont win.

Now you might be thinking, but Joymax is on korea they cant sue me. (Which in fact i've heard many ppl actually say this ) is not entirely true. They also have a corporation here for international silkroad, which means they can and will sue you.


client is released as public content and can be used to whatever extent as long as it is not modified or defaced.


True , but aslong as it connects with their content. Not yours. Open it open you'll see in the center bottom a copyright information. Not matter what you say , the court will win over joymax not you. Also Pk2 editing the large "silkroad" logo upon opening client into ESRO or something w.e of any kind of pk2 even if its 1% small , is considered modifying the client. Which "could" also get you in trouble if it is released into public for public use of "this specific" server host.

Also editing the HOST IP of the media is considered client altered , so is illegal as well. You see eckoro , your still screwed either way.

Edit: Joymax "could" sue you for using that client. Now the most important part is the item mall. The game isnt your's to begin with. You gain 1% of profit from this game you will become 100% probable of being sued. This includes selling sp , gold , "ITEM MALL" and thoes things.

Edit2: Now I know someone talked here about blizzard sueing a private server. This is completely 100% true. Blizzard won this case. And that server was using a 100% self created emulator. You guys might wanna take a look into that case. If any thing let me know I can link the sue.Most funny part is blizzard didnt just go after the owner of the private server , but also after the moderators of even the forums. And ofcourse the Gm's of the server.
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