Miss. school prom off after lesbian's date request

[XemnasXD]

When federal troops were sent into Arkansas to escort 9 black students through the halls so they could get a decent education would you have been on the sides of everyone spitting and jeering. Would you have said, thats not the way things are done down here. Would you have sided with the parents who pulled their kids out of school because they were appalled at the very thought of their children being around blacks like that. Would you have looked at those 9 kids as being selfish for ruining what was going perfectly fine for the select majority at the time....

I know you think sexuality is a choice but this is about civil rights plain and simple. They're two girls who like each other and one is wearing a tux which contrary to popular belief can be worn by women...its pants and a shirt and a jacket...women wear those things all the time...it doesn't affect anyone else unless you find lesbians revolting and thats no better than disliking people for being black or jewish or muslim or catholic or irish etc. An injustice is an injustice...Its only OK for you because you're in the majority where you are, god forbid you should ever be subject to the rules of being a minority then you will wonder where are your rights and why won't people just let you be...

[_Equal_]

god forbid you should ever be subject to the rules of being a minority

Offtopic: From the way some conservatives are blaring, you'd think they were the minority. Obama is in office and everyone's all upset...

offtopic on your sig: Watchmen was a damn GREAT movie.

[Tasdik]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies? This is the first I've gears if them. I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

I don't hate homosexuals. I'm repulsed by their actions. And lol at you talking about what's christ-like. guess what? Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

[_Equal_]

Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

I'm not "up" on my Bible studies dude, but Jesus did hate their actions, not the people. Someone brought up in another thread - the people were stoning a prostitute and he got her away from that and showed her compassion.

[Ningyotsukai-san]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies? This is the first I've gears if them. I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

I don't hate homosexuals. I'm repulsed by their actions. And lol at you talking about what's christ-like. guess what? Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

So, some dude, that's a homosexual, you work with is gay "by choice" in response to some chick screwing him is the set up for all "homosexuals" ....

Going by your example, I could say all mice are white because all I've seen are white ones. Don't go judging all off a fraction of the whole ...

Just a question for ya: When did Bob choose to be attracted to fat chicks in red high heels, or the pedophile to lil' kids ... or some cat named Matt that's attracted to scat?

Do you really have control over your attraction towards those that actually pull it in, like it's there one sec and you can switch it off in an instant w/o any outside help?

[John_Doe]

Yea a fictitious character frowns about an aspect of life so lets follow like mindless zombies.

I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

Yea that's smart just go ahead and generalize all homosexuals. I mean unlike normal/straight people all homosexuals must be exactly alike. Right?.......

I'm repulsed by their actions.

Seems like someones very insecure with their sexuality.

[XemnasXD]

how can it be a choice if there are clear, proven, and studied biological differences...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Biological_differences_in_gay_men_and_lesbians

there is a difference between someone who is sexually attracted to men biologically and someone who will **** a guy because he doesn't have access to women...also nice way to focus on the gay thing so you can dodge responding to obvious parallels many have mentioned...

[Barotix]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies? This is the first I've gears if them. I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

I don't hate homosexuals. I'm repulsed by their actions. And lol at you talking about what's christ-like. guess what? Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

Jesus frowns on homosexuality? Jesus? Really? Are we reading the same New Testament? Jesus loves bigotry though, amirite?

[woutR]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies? This is the first I've gears if them. I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

I don't hate homosexuals. I'm repulsed by their actions. And lol at you talking about what's christ-like. guess what? Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

Jesus frowns on homosexuality? Jesus? Really? Are we reading the same New Testament? Jesus loves bigotry though, amirite?

Have to realize Tasdik's father is the inventor of his own cult/religion. He may not believe what 'normal' Christians believe in.

[Goseki]

@ Tasdik

Here's a site where they talk about homosexuality and other population control factors as being ingrained in nature (aka, genetically based). They link you to a few sites as well if you want to read more where they got their sources.

http://www.backyardnature.net/j/o/homosex.htm

[Shadow]

Despite all of these things you are now telling me not to be offended and are insisting that by taking offense to the comment you KNEW had the potential to offend, im just taking it too far. What kind of fail logic is that. Like i said either say it and stand by it or don't say it at all, but don't half-ass it and attempt to cover your tracks because if you were really so worried about offending people you wouldn't have said it at all.

I never told you not to be offended. I never said "Don't take offence." I don't give a shit if you or someone else on the interwebs is offended by something I say. I said "no offence intented, meaning that the intention was not to offence. Meaning it was an opinion and not trolling. And I stand by it, and I don't "half-ass it or cover my tracks."

Do you twist my replies on purpose for the sake of arguing?

[_Scarlett_]

I always have to give myself a facepalm whenever someone tries to use the "it's a choice" argument.

If being homosexual is a choice, then you have to realize that EVERYONE who is heterosexual would have to CHOOSE to be that way, and NOT choose to be homosexual if sexuality were choice. Can you honestly tell me you, yourself or anyone chooses what they'll be sexually attracted to constantly? Do you tell yourself: "Well, I don't think I'll suck a d*** today, I guess I'll go try for some p****, or vice versa?

[CeLL]

i lol @ the attempt to compare the black struggle to homosexuality. black people dont have a closet from which they can spring in and out of when its convenient. A black person cant pretend not to be black to get out of a run in with some klannies. Putting a penis in your anus, and the color of ones skin is NOT comparable.


And tas, mah man. You need to study jesus a little better. He gave compassion to an adulterous woman, and verbally bitchslapped religious bigots. Don’t forget, someone else had to be with that woman in order for he to be adulterous, im betting it was someone within the crowd of religious people preparing to stone her.

[Goseki]

Despite all of these things you are now telling me not to be offended and are insisting that by taking offense to the comment you KNEW had the potential to offend, im just taking it too far. What kind of fail logic is that. Like i said either say it and stand by it or don't say it at all, but don't half-ass it and attempt to cover your tracks because if you were really so worried about offending people you wouldn't have said it at all.

I never told you not to be offended. I never said "Don't take offence." I don't give a shit if you or someone else on the interwebs is offended by something I say. I said "no offence intented, meaning that the intention was not to offence. Meaning it was an opinion and not trolling. And I stand by it, and I don't "half-ass it or cover my tracks."

Do you twist my replies on purpose for the sake of arguing?

It may not have meant to be offensive to someone in particular, but people rarely put "no offense" after something unless they know that it could easily be taken as offensive if read out of context.

Ex) In context, White guy to a Black guy: I'm curious, why do I hear your friends say, No offense btw, "Shut up nigger" if you don't like the word?

Out of context, White guy to a Black guy: No offense btw, Shut up nigger.


@ CeLL The comparison between the black and homosexuality struggle isn't that they're the same in terms of easiness of concealing. Sure homosexuals can pretend to be straight, that's happened many times before in less yielding societies, but that doesn't mean they're straight. We see how that ends up, especially today in major sports. Some people have wives, even kids, yet they are unhappy and end up secretly hooking up with guys.

The point of the comparison was that blacks stood up against the whites protesting their lack of rights and the injustice of it even though it was against the current social norms. BTW, I forgot how old you are again, but being homosexual is MORE than just sticking a penis into another man's anus. The stereotyping and unfair and unjust discrimination of blacks and homosexual can easily be compared.

You're just taking things you view to make the comparison wrong. If i'm comparing the shade of red on an apple and a cherry, you're busting in saying the apple can't be compared to the cherry since the apple is hard and the cherry is soft. Well no shit, but I'm not comparing their toughness, i'm comparing their color. (see what I did there with the color thing)

[Jstar1]

the thing about legalizing same-sex marriage is that a lot of gays do really dumb things to try to get their message across. Yes it gets publicity but thats about it, everyone else just ends up hating them.

Like these girls. Planning to dress up in a tuxedo? Like you didn't think that wasn't going to cause a shitstorm? There are more concrete and less juvenile ways of getting your message across to others.

What, exactly, is juvenile about wearing a tux? Would it have made a difference if she wore a dress? She would still be on the dance floor, she would still be gay (not like she has a choice), and she'd still make out with her girlfriend.

In context, it was juvenile, and so was announcing to everyone that they were going to plan to come to prom as lesbos. The way they approached this problem just makes them look like they were trying to attention whore.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on gays but trying to make a statement like this is poor planning on their part. The school is obviously anti-gay and they just took advantage of the situation to attack gays. You don't need to take a psychology class to know that the students are obviously going to pin these girls on the wall, saying that they messed everything up.

[Tasdik]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies? This is the first I've gears if them. I work with a homosexual and he's gay by choice, something to do with getting screwed over by some bitch.

I don't hate homosexuals. I'm repulsed by their actions. And lol at you talking about what's christ-like. guess what? Jesus frowns on homsexuality as well.

Jesus frowns on homosexuality? Jesus? Really? Are we reading the same New Testament? Jesus loves bigotry though, amirite?

Remember sodom?

I'll respond to the rest of y'all when I get home.

[Goseki]

the thing about legalizing same-sex marriage is that a lot of gays do really dumb things to try to get their message across. Yes it gets publicity but thats about it, everyone else just ends up hating them.

Like these girls. Planning to dress up in a tuxedo? Like you didn't think that wasn't going to cause a shitstorm? There are more concrete and less juvenile ways of getting your message across to others.

What, exactly, is juvenile about wearing a tux? Would it have made a difference if she wore a dress? She would still be on the dance floor, she would still be gay (not like she has a choice), and she'd still make out with her girlfriend.

In context, it was juvenile, and so was announcing to everyone that they were going to plan to come to prom as lesbos. The way they approached this problem just makes them look like they were trying to attention whore.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on gays but trying to make a statement like this is poor planning on their part. The school is obviously anti-gay and they just took advantage of the situation to attack gays. You don't need to take a psychology class to know that the students are obviously going to pin these girls on the wall, saying that they messed everything up.

Right, because 2 people in dresses making out is less obvious than someone in a tux making out with someone in a dress.

For girls, prom is a once in a lifetime thing. They usually want to go to it if at all possible. They want to go with their dates, not so much with their friends. Their option was get the school to let them go as a couple, or show up as friends. Judging from the school's stance, the moment they started to dance together, they would prob be asked to leave.

[Jstar1]

Ok, but they could have gone as friends and just pass prom quietly (as in having fun but not like kissing each other in the middle of the dance floor). They could have celebrated their relationship in a private place or with other friends that are more respectful of their orientation after the prom.

[Reise]

The truth of the matter is no matter where and when these girls took up this matter you'd be singing the same tune. Wrong timing, making trouble, attention whores...we've both been here long enough to know that...

If they had brought up their case before, simply complaining that their rights are violated by the school's rules, I doubt I'd have anything to say. That's the way things should be done, but instead we have this situation. Put yourself in the rest of the school's shoes. Since you apparently don't choose to be gay, you would think those who are would have some idea of their own school's policy regarding such things. If it were me, I'd have made a fit about this long before prom was even on the horizon, making it appear less like attention grabbing and more like spotting clear injustice.

Is a couple of people's unhappiness worth the whole school's? Or at least their whole graduating class'?

Shit, they could have at least kept quiet and done their own thing for prom, then attacked the school after the fact. At least then their fellow students wouldn't have a reason to dislike them apart from prejudice.

[_Equal_]

What about a long-haired guy in a dress and a girl in a tux with short hair?

Does that draw stares? Only for a second, and people turn away. It may look funny, but who cares if someone cross-dresses? Yeah, the school does, but the students won't care all that much.

I see that as a similar situation to what transpired here.

As for Tasdik, you're saying something like this, if I remember how it goes:

Homosexuality is a sin.
You have to choose to sin.
Therefore being gay is a choice.

Look at it the other way: Did you ever remember choosing to be straight? I just remember one day thinking "that girl is cute" and having some strange feelings when I was 6-7. There's a transition somewhere where girls go from "ew, cooties" to "I'd do her." Not once do I remember thinking "that guy is cute". Did I choose to be straight? So if I didn't choose, why would gays suddenly "choose" guys over gals?

Yeah, add that to the evidence too.

[Goseki]

The truth of the matter is no matter where and when these girls took up this matter you'd be singing the same tune. Wrong timing, making trouble, attention whores...we've both been here long enough to know that...

If they had brought up their case before, simply complaining that their rights are violated by the school's rules, I doubt I'd have anything to say. That's the way things should be done, but instead we have this situation. Put yourself in the rest of the school's shoes. Since you apparently don't choose to be gay, you would think those who are would have some idea of their own school's policy regarding such things. If it were me, I'd have made a fit about this long before prom was even on the horizon, making it appear less like attention grabbing and more like spotting clear injustice.

Is a couple of people's unhappiness worth the whole school's? Or at least their whole graduating class'?

Shit, they could have at least kept quiet and done their own thing for prom, then attacked the school after the fact. At least then their fellow students wouldn't have a reason to dislike them apart from prejudice.

You're assuming the lesbian couple were dating for years and years. What if they hooked up a week before prom.

Most girls go to junior and senior prom. Let's say they had a year, why didn't they bring this up before? Logically it must've not been an issue back than or this would've happened a year earlier.

[EvGa]

Ha. How is it not a choice? I read something that one of you posted about there being studies that indicate that some people don't really have a choice in the matter, where are these studies?

Genetic Feminization of Pheromones and Its Behavioral Consequences in Drosophila Males:

Pheromones are intraspecific chemical signals important for mate attraction and discrimination. In the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster, hydrocarbons on the cuticular surface of the animal are sexually dimorphic in both their occurrence and their effects: Female-specific molecules stimulate male sexual excitation, whereas the predominant male-specific molecule tends to inhibit male excitation. Complete feminization of the pheromone mixture produced by males was induced by targeted expression of the transformer gene in adult oenocytes (subcuticular abdominal cells) or by ubiquitous expression during early imaginal life. The resulting flies generally exhibited male heterosexual orientation but elicited homosexual courtship from other males.

Evolutionary biology: Genetics and bisexuality:

A population-genetic model indicates that if there is a gene responsible for homosexual behaviour it can readily spread in populations. The model also predicts widespread bisexuality in humans.

More Evidence that Homosexuality is Genetic:

Hamer and colleagues studied the family histories of 114 gay men and found that their brothers, maternal uncles, and maternal male cousins were more likely to be homosexual than would be expected among the general male population. In some families, gay relatives could be traced back for three generations. Because the homosexual uncles and male cousins of the gay subjects were raised in different households, the scientists hypothesized that a genetic factor was involved. Furthermore, the maternal link suggested that homosexuality might be associated with the X chromosome, which is the sex-linked chromosome that men inherit only from their mothers.

Explicit evidence for a genetic link was obtained by studying the X chromosome DNA of 40 pairs of gay brothers. The scientists used a technique called linkage mapping to search for patterns of similarity in the genetic information of related individuals. Thirty-three of the gay sibling pairs had coinherited genetic markers in the same chromosome region called Xq28, suggesting that 65 percent of the families studied were transmitting a gene for homosexual orientation.

"The statistical significance of the results was better than 99 percent, which means that the possibility of obtaining our findings by chance is extremely unlikely," said Hamer. However, he noted that replication on an independent population of families will be necessary to confirm the results.

The scientists do not know why 7 of the 40 pairs of gay brothers did not coinherit the Xq28 genetic marker. Hamer postulated that these gay men may have inherited other genes that are associated with homosexuality, or they might have been influenced by environmental factors or life experiences.

The Genetics of Homosexuality:

Other studies have been conducted that look at twin brothers rather than brothers of different ages. Bailey and Pillard (1991) did a study of twins that determined a Ò52% concordance of homosexuality in monozygotic twins, 22% for dizygotic twins, and 11% for adoptive brothers of homosexual men (8). These results, like Hamer's, provide further support for the claim that homosexuality is genetically linked. Studies very similar to the Bailey and Pillard study have been done both with female homosexual siblings and siblings of both sexes. The results for both of these studies were only off from Bailey and PillardÕs by a few percentage points. Putting all of these results together, it seems like genetics are at least 50% accountable for determining a personÕs sexual orientation (8).

Biological Basis of Sexual Orientation - Stanford:

Just read it..

Mother's genetics could influence sexual orientation:

A survey of Italian men has provided evidence that homosexuality may be partly influenced by genetics. The same genes that are proposed to predispose to homosexuality may also boost reproduction in women, solving the apparent paradox of why these genes have not been removed by natural selection.

Into the mind of a fly:

Where do animal behaviours come from and are they controlled by genes? This is the fundamental question posed by the field of neurogenetics. Pioneering work from the 1960s in Seymour Benzer's laboratory demonstrated for the first time that Drosophila melanogaster fruitflies could be mutated to obtain animals with insomnia, learning disabilities and homosexual courtship behaviours.

That's just the genetic side of things. Don't be ignorant.

[Charatsandhu]

i'm appalled by the ignorance in this thread

who cares what they do? if they want to be gay, let them be gay. as long as they aren't forcing homosexuality on others nor hurting anyone with it, why should you care? what if someone else told you how to live your life? you'd go on the defense immediately.

oh, and if you don't want to see two men kissing, DON"T LOOK AT THEM. you have a choice of what you want to look at, just like people have a choice who they want to be with. people lack fcking common sense these days.

my religion (Sikhism) forbids homosexuality, but that doesn't mean I go running around telling people who they can like or not. if you are telling someone they can't be gay from a religious point-of-view, you are forcing your religion on them, and thus violating the First Amendment by not giving them freedom of religion(or no religion). cut the bullshit out, stop being brainwashed.

requesting thread to be locked please, bigot trolls are galore here.

[Reise]

You're assuming the lesbian couple were dating for years and years. What if they hooked up a week before prom.

Then too bad for them?

Most girls go to junior and senior prom. Let's say they had a year, why didn't they bring this up before? Logically it must've not been an issue back than or this would've happened a year earlier.

So tell me why the world should bend over backwards immediately to accommodate them. I'm all for equal rights but there's a time and place for everything.

[XemnasXD]

You're assuming the lesbian couple were dating for years and years. What if they hooked up a week before prom.

Then too bad for them?

Most girls go to junior and senior prom. Let's say they had a year, why didn't they bring this up before? Logically it must've not been an issue back than or this would've happened a year earlier.

So tell me why the world should bend over backwards immediately to accommodate them. I'm all for equal rights but there's a time and place for everything.

Someones rights are being violated, normally that's the time to speak up. I'm pretty sure the bolded response sums up the amount of depth you've put into this thinking process. The problem isn't what time the policy was challenged but that the policy was in place in the first place. Does the time that you challenge it change the fact that the policy is unconstitutional, no, it doesn't.

Would you tell veterans not to protest for better treatment knowing that we're in a war right now and it would divert attention and resources from the war effort, cast military politics in a bad light, and probably lower support for the war itself? I guess they should pick a better time to do that, one that's good for everyone so nobody looks bad and everyone has plenty of time to think it over. They should've started protesting when we weren't at war, but they didn't so oh well. In the meantime they should just accept the second-class treatment and stfu....

[/Pi]

Let's be honest here. If any of you anti-gay people find yourselves in the minority and have their civil rights infringed, many of us here would be defending your rights.

[Goseki]

You're assuming the lesbian couple were dating for years and years. What if they hooked up a week before prom.

Then too bad for them?

Most girls go to junior and senior prom. Let's say they had a year, why didn't they bring this up before? Logically it must've not been an issue back than or this would've happened a year earlier.

So tell me why the world should bend over backwards immediately to accommodate them. I'm all for equal rights but there's a time and place for everything.

You first reply shows you're just too full of yourself to be considerate of others.

You second reply makes you out as more of a drama-queen. The WORLD bending over backwards immediately? REALLY? Like Xemnas pointed out several times already to you, people don't time these things, they happen in the moment.

If you think protesters should time their events better so they can hush everything up, either you're plain ignant or just too self-righteous to really care for others. Either way you're a prick and I hope I never have to meet you irl.

[TheDrop]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

fcking hell.

this is the 21st century.
wake up.

[Reise]

You first reply shows you're just too full of yourself to be considerate of others.

You second reply makes you out as more of a drama-queen. The WORLD bending over backwards immediately? REALLY? Like Xemnas pointed out several times already to you, people don't time these things, they happen in the moment.

If you think protesters should time their events better so they can hush everything up, either you're plain ignant or just too self-righteous to really care for others. Either way you're a prick and I hope I never have to meet you irl.

The only reason I say the things I do is because this is NOT a unique case.

There have been quite a few similar situations with same-sex couples having problems with school dances.

If these people had a shred of foresight they would have realized how selfish it would be to wait until now to care about their rights.

[EvGa]

I don't think shifting blame from the religious/insecure bigots onto the lesbians is the correct line of judgment here... This case not being new doesn't put the girls in the wrong. Sorry.

So tell me why the world should bend over backwards immediately to accommodate them. I'm all for equal rights but there's a time and place for everything.

How is allowing two people to walk into a room, dance, and walk out at the end of the night "bending over backwards"?

Whether or not they knew this would happen or had seen this happen in other cases is irrelevant. The school administration are a bunch of idiotic fools for not allowing them to attend the prom in the first place.