Jstar1 wrote:lol seriously? They had enough of that native american style spiritual wonder magic in avatar. What more is there to learn? In any case, its probably going to be jake sully walking around the forest stroking his beard and being all philosphical. But I read that the commander guy (the guy at the end who gets stuck by arrows) might come back to terrorize the populace so probably not as boring.
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EDIT: and that still doesn't make sense because the only logical course of action is earth coming back for revenge. The whole idea of the sequel is going to be flawed from the beginning unless its a blue monkey genocide.
You know no ones forcing u to watch it lol
I have very low expectations for the sequels since most sequels are lame as shit and ruin a good movie (like transformers)
haha I watched it like 3 weeks after it came out. And I've seen pocahontas AND dances with wolves, contrary to what some LOSER believes here hehe.., so yeah other people already said it. The only good sequel I can think of off the top of my head is rush hour 2.
The reason why sequels are horrible is because the producers are now in it for the milking, first time around they try to do an honest job.
i wasn't really talking about the fact that hurt locker won, i haven't seen it, i was more talking about how they just announced it out of no were with no build up or anything, i do notice they were 30 minutes over schedule but i mean shit. If they just got rid of all those shitty dances and shit in between it would have been fine.
Well, looks like Avatar didn't win even though I think it should have.
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Da_Realest wrote:Well, looks like Avatar didn't win even though I think it should have.
lol I didn't expect avatar to win big. The storyline was too cruddy. The only reason why it was so highly regarded by people was because it made $1 billion+ and the CGI. But thats pretty much all it has to offer.
Da_Realest wrote:Well, looks like Avatar didn't win even though I think it should have.
lol I didn't expect avatar to win big. The storyline was too cruddy. The only reason why it was so highly regarded by people was because it made $1 billion+ and the CGI. But thats pretty much all it has to offer.
It was highly regarded before it made 1bil. Many people thoroughly enjoyed it and word of mouth got other people to see it. Not many people who saw the movie even know what CGI is. I think that was the first time I went to a movie where nearly everyone was standing up clapping, cheering, and left with a smile on their face when it ended. That's what movies are about in IMO. I don't care if a movie has average acting, plot holes in the story, C grade effects, etc. if the overall experience was entertaining. I'll nitpick about a movie after I've watched it the 3rd or 4th time. Avatar was one the most entertaining movies I've seen in a while. I hadn't been that entertained by a movie since The Dark Knight and the first Spiderman. I even got my dad to go with me who said it was the best movie he ever seen(Not like he has high standards or anything) and later a handful of friends who were not disappointed. I can't wait until it's released on blu-ray.
Ziegfried wrote:What you do or say in any game is a small extension of who you really are. It's the anonymity that can allow them to show their true self, or who they would be if there was no "penalty" for their actions.
Da_Realest wrote:Well, looks like Avatar didn't win even though I think it should have.
lol I didn't expect avatar to win big. The storyline was too cruddy. The only reason why it was so highly regarded by people was because it made $1 billion+ and the CGI. But thats pretty much all it has to offer.
It was highly regarded before it made 1bil. Many people thoroughly enjoyed it and word of mouth got other people to see it. Not many people who saw the movie even know what CGI is. I think that was the first time I went to a movie where nearly everyone was standing up clapping, cheering, and left with a smile on their face when it ended. That's what movies are about in IMO. I don't care if a movie has average acting, plot holes in the story, C grade effects, etc. if the overall experience was entertaining. I'll nitpick about a movie after I've watched it the 3rd or 4th time. Avatar was one the most entertaining movies I've seen in a while. I hadn't been that entertained by a movie since The Dark Knight and the first Spiderman. I even got my dad to go with me who said it was the best movie he ever seen(Not like he has high standards or anything) and later a handful of friends who were not disappointed. I can't wait until it's released on blu-ray.
Yeah, but that shouldn't deem it "best movie of the year." Everything you have named, average acting, plot holes, cliches etc are all present in Avatar. The only + was the effects, and the worst part was that it was 2.5 hours long, with SO much unnecessary scenes, it was ridiculous. If a movie can't be analyzed to the point that you already know what's going to happen next, it deserves no nominations, or oscars in the sense of best movie.
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haha yeah I sound so harsh about avatar, let me rephrase that. It was a good movie, I liked the CGI. Its just that the hype about it and everyone going like "its gonna win best picture zomg" is just very very poor expectations.
Jstar1 wrote:I can think of off the top of my head is rush hour 2.
Elvis Gratton 2 is the best of the series
Rush Hour & Elvis Gratton,both awesome. Although I think I just saw the 3rd Elvis Gratton.(The one where it start when they are camping and he's looking for a girlfriend or something).
Jstar1 wrote:I can think of off the top of my head is rush hour 2.
Elvis Gratton 2 is the best of the series
Rush Hour & Elvis Gratton,both awesome. Although I think I just saw the 3rd Elvis Gratton.(The one where it start when they are camping and he's looking for a girlfriend or something).
Third one is the worst out of all of them.
I have the movie I, II, III boxset + my life/ma vie. The teleseries and second movie are the best.
McLovin1t wrote: Yeah, but that shouldn't deem it "best movie of the year." Everything you have named, average acting, plot holes, cliches etc are all present in Avatar. The only + was the effects, and the worst part was that it was 2.5 hours long, with SO much unnecessary scenes, it was ridiculous. If a movie can't be analyzed to the point that you already know what's going to happen next, it deserves no nominations, or oscars in the sense of best movie.
I've seen some pretty good reasons for people not liking Avatar but the whole the story is cliche or unoriginal is a poor excuse in my opinion. Every story has been done already in some form of media already. It took a mostly familiar story and put it in a future setting and executed it extremely well. I see nothing wrong with that.
I felt the acting was solid. Again, movies are for entertainment and clearly a large amount of people enjoyed Avatar so obviously people liked it for more than the special effects for it to generate so many sells. I personally just sit back and try to enjoy a movie the first time. I don't go, "Well this element is very good but this element is average so the movie is bad/overrated." Maybe Avatar doesn't meet your criteria of a movie that should win best picture but it does meet the criteria for many other people. A movie can have the best special effects, best acting, an original story, and excellent execution but that doesn't mean many people or myself will like it. I don't want to feel like I'm grading a research paper when I watch a movie. Ex. "I like the choice of words they used in that scene." "X scene could have been done better." "She should have cried harder after finding out he died." If a movie manages to immerse the audience into the experience, it's doing something right.
I don't understand why you hate Avatar so much and feel the need to argue so harshly about an award system that is based on opinion. For every 5 people that like Avatar, there is some guy that feels that he needs to let everyone know that he hates the movie because its cliche, James Cameron sucks, smurfs, wtf is unobtainium, etc. and that it shouldn't have made so much money. Many people believe Avatar is a great movie and should have won. Many people also don't like Avatar or don't believe it's as good as some people make it out to be and are satisfied that it didn't win. It doesn't matter.
Jstar1 wrote:haha yeah I sound so harsh about avatar, let me rephrase that. It was a good movie, I liked the CGI. Its just that the hype about it and everyone going like "its gonna win best picture zomg" is just very very poor expectations.
Ok. I don't really care that it didn't win but after all the positive feedback and the fact that I personally enjoyed it, I thought it should have won. Though, I guess it's a bit ignorant on my part to say that considering that I haven't seen The Hurt Locker yet which people say is very good.
Ziegfried wrote:What you do or say in any game is a small extension of who you really are. It's the anonymity that can allow them to show their true self, or who they would be if there was no "penalty" for their actions.
lol nobody says that reviewing a movie is like grading a paper. And nobody nitpicks at little things like "she should have cried harder". wtf?
You say that you don't care about "grading" a movie, but the truth is almost everyone does it, because if everyone goes into the theater with your kind of attitude then we're going to have shitty movies all the time. Public and critic demand for good movies is why directors try hard to make good movies and thats why you get those amazing ones every once in a while like shawshank redemption, titanic, star wars 4, etc. People want to see these kinds of masterpieces, thats why there is so much critique about movies.
The storyline is probably the most important part of the movie and thats what avatar lacks. Personally I think avatar made that insane amount of money because of the CGI and public bandwagon. Everyone dances around saying that avatar is amazing and philosophical, etc but when the party's over people will realize how juvenile the whole movie was presented. But you have the right to your own opinion.
Jstar1 wrote:lol nobody says that reviewing a movie is like grading a paper. And nobody nitpicks at little things like "she should have cried harder". wtf?
I didn't think anyone would take my paper grading comment literally. I thought it was pretty obviously that I was exaggerating the situation. I know that they don't make statements exactly like that but they do make statements similar to, "XX crying wasn't believable." which is no different from what I said depending on the action given.
Jstar1 wrote:You say that you don't care about "grading" a movie, but the truth is almost everyone does it, because if everyone goes into the theater with your kind of attitude then we're going to have shitty movies all the time.
No they don't. If they did, movies like Transformers, The Matrix Trilogy, Spiderman Triliogy, wouldn't be blockbuster hits. People go to movies to be entertained though it seems you have a hard time understanding that. The majority of the people who go through the whole grading thing are critics. I'm not saying that the people who go watch movies don't critique a movie while watching it but they don't do it nearly as in depth as these critics do.
Jstar1 wrote:Public and critic demand for good movies is why directors try hard to make good movies and thats why you get those amazing ones every once in a while like shawshank redemption, titanic, star wars 4, etc. People want to see these kinds of masterpieces, thats why there is so much critique about movies.
Wrong. If you want a good movie with today's audience, just toss in a bunch of explosions, fighting, bullet time and you've got a "good movie." Or better yet, bring back some old comic book hero/cartoon and make a movie out of it and you've got a "good movie." No one listens to critics. They're fickle.
And the great thing is that it's all opinion based. None of the movies you listed are masterpieces to me.
Jstar1 wrote:The storyline is probably the most important part of the movie and thats what avatar lacks.
That's your opinion and it does have a story. Just not a story you may like. The story was great IMO.
How can you say Avatar is a good movie when you say the most important part of a movie is the story which you claim Avatar lacks? Despite you stating otherwise, it seems you're in the same category as McLovin, hating Avatar, though you're masking it.
Jstar1 wrote:Personally I think avatar made that insane amount of money because of the CGI and public bandwagon. Everyone dances around saying that avatar is amazing and philosophical, etc but when the party's over people will realize how juvenile the whole movie was presented. But you have the right to your own opinion.
When the party's over people are still saying the same. That it's amazing and philosophical. Public bandwagon and CGI alone isn't going to get you to make 1bil+. I was hearing people talk in theaters saying that they had seen it multiple times. That is what gets you that large figure. Making a move so good that people want to see it again and of course the ticket pricing helps as well. But I'm sure when the movie is released on DVD and you see the DVD sales, you'll see that I'm right.
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Ziegfried wrote:What you do or say in any game is a small extension of who you really are. It's the anonymity that can allow them to show their true self, or who they would be if there was no "penalty" for their actions.
Jstar1 wrote:The storyline is probably the most important part of the movie and thats what avatar lacks. Personally I think avatar made that insane amount of money because of the CGI and public bandwagon. Everyone dances around saying that avatar is amazing and philosophical, etc but when the party's over people will realize how juvenile the whole movie was presented. But you have the right to your own opinion.
maybe the "public bandwagon" is just people who first watched it telling their friends/family to go watch it as well because they liked it? To me, the movie was entertaining, the storyline was good even if it was "based" on Pocahontas or w/e. obviously it could have been better,as any movie could be. the entertainment part is the whole point of a movie, and it delivered for me.
btw, which movie do you think shoulda won best picture? just curious.
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^I guess the reason why I seem so anti-avatar is that I'm a big proponent of creativity. Its a good movie, I enjoyed the CGI, I've already said that. All that DC superhero junk and recycling stories in recent movies have been pissing me off, especially when the same old storyline is plastered onto a movie again and again, especially such a horribly cliche one as the cowboy vs. indian theme as evga described it.
I honestly couldn't say which should have won best picture because I don't really care and more importantly I haven't seen hurt locker.
Jstar1 wrote:lol I didn't expect avatar to win big. The storyline was too cruddy. The only reason why it was so highly regarded by people was because James Cameron.
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