Trade Bible for porn

[Goseki]

Yea, that's the only reasonable goal for keeping your room clean imo. To attracts possible mates in the simplest terms.

That's why I said to make sure any beating is followed with a sit down and talk about why. It's pointless if the kid just thinks you're venting on him instead of oh you're getting a spanking cuz you wouldn't shut up when we asked you to and instead shoved the fork up the waiter's nose.

I'm all for protection too, it's really hard to start a family now-a-days. I feel bad for ppl that do it and realize they don't even have a job or any school diploma of any kind.

You know, imagine how much less petty crimes we would have if the punishment was uber harsh. I bet kids would think twice about shoplifting if the punishment was missing fingers, robbing a store if the punishment was an arm or a leg, selling drugs = chop your genitals off, murder = slowly getting skinned with an salt-dipped razor, etc.

[Amarisa]

Yea, that's the only reasonable goal for keeping your room clean imo. To attracts possible mates in the simplest terms.

That's why I said to make sure any beating is followed with a sit down and talk about why. It's pointless if the kid just thinks you're venting on him instead of oh you're getting a spanking cuz you wouldn't shut up when we asked you to and instead shoved the fork up the waiter's nose.

I'm all for protection too, it's really hard to start a family now-a-days. I feel bad for ppl that do it and realize they don't even have a job or any school diploma of any kind.

You know, imagine how much less petty crimes we would have if the punishment was uber harsh. I bet kids would think twice about shoplifting if the punishment was missing fingers, robbing a store if the punishment was an arm or a leg, selling drugs = chop your genitals off, murder = slowly getting skinned with an salt-dipped razor, etc.

i did get the sit downs i didn't care though me trying to stay out of trouble did make me a crafty person at least only reasonable reason why i would be crafty.

losing a finger for shoplifting might be a little extreme? i am more or less an eye for an eye person. shoplift something get shoplifted back item of choice would be of the persons choice that got shoplifted to begin with.

example: kid takes a few packs of gum and other things he can fit in his pocket. kid gets caught and then the owner of the store then gets to pick out an item of his choice in return for his stole goods. say the computer he just built with his hard earned money?

[ApocalypticDeath]

But what if I have this Bible?

I'll trade you my Holy Books for it . OT while I do agree with the atheist groups message the way they are conveying it is pretty stupid and instead of getting positive feedback will only generate negativity.

[Barotix]

lol? the kids without an ounce of respect probably got the belt...... i wouldn't respect someone if they beat me in any form or way even as punishment if i did something wrong. there is a right and wrong way to being a parent and frankly a lot of people are not ready to be a parent.

Funny, I would respect someone less if all they had the balls was to "ground" me. OH NOES! No tv for a month. Oh shit, that'll teach me. I can't live without mah tv.

Frankly, people that just let their kids run wild aren't great parents either. As the kid you might think they're the best, but later you'll realize shit, my folks weren't awesome, they just didn't give a shit about me.

I'm not advocating beat the shit out of your child for spilling milk on accident, but if he throws the milk bottle at your face every time you give him one, sometimes nothing gets the mssg across like a good spanking.

just grounding someone is not going to cut it. you have to be creative and make sure to reward nicely for the good things they do.

example: kid wont clean his room even though you ask a million times.
normal solution that tends not to work: ground them.
solution that would work: give them like $10 for cleaning their room or you will go out to dinner where ever they want if they clean their room.

indeed it depends on the kid but it also depends on the parent.

Let's reward children for doing things they ought to do, and pamper them when they misbehave. Brilliant!

[heroo]

Idiots.

There is something called respect.

[Love]

How silly of them, porn is free .

Spoiler!

and they are trading it for religious text no "the Bible", like these folks that much more

[Miguez]

Like Baro said, I think that rewarding a kid for something he's already supposed to do is a bad idea, especially with money.

About Death Penalty, the murderer has already killed, the person is gone for good, murdering him would make you as much of a murder as him, and it wouldn't bring the murdered person/people back.

[NuclearSilo]

just grounding someone is not going to cut it. you have to be creative and make sure to reward nicely for the good things they do.

example: kid wont clean his room even though you ask a million times.
normal solution that tends not to work: ground them.
solution that would work: give them like $10 for cleaning their room or you will go out to dinner where ever they want if they clean their room.

indeed it depends on the kid but it also depends on the parent.

What if the kid made the room dirty on purpose to have another $10? And what if you can't afford $1000 monthly for his reward?

OT: they say the bible is bad because they "think" it is bad, not because it's really bad.

[EvGa]

OT: they say the bible is bad because they "think" it is bad, not because it's really bad.

I think stoning women and children is universally accepted as 'bad'. Raping women usually ranks pretty high also.

But like Love pointed out, this is not only about the bible, they were accepting any major religious text.

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

[Stress]

OT: they say the bible is bad because they "think" it is bad, not because it's really bad.

I think stoning women and children is universally accepted as 'bad'. Raping women usually ranks pretty high also.

But like Love pointed out, this is not only about the bible, they were accepting any major religious text.

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

If whatever I believe falls, for some people, under the term of 'religion', do the rules of free speech not apply? I hate religion, not spirituality. One can speak freely of his spirituality, and should deserve respect, rather than be labeled a 'religious' freak - or any other such term -.

[strangelove]

Idiots.

There is something called respect.

“We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.”

~ Henry Louis Mencken

[EvGa]

OT: they say the bible is bad because they "think" it is bad, not because it's really bad.

I think stoning women and children is universally accepted as 'bad'. Raping women usually ranks pretty high also.

But like Love pointed out, this is not only about the bible, they were accepting any major religious text.

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

If whatever I believe falls, for some people, under the term of 'religion', do the rules of free speech not apply? I hate religion, not spirituality. One can speak freely of his spirituality, and should deserve respect, rather than be labeled a 'religious' freak - or any other such term -.

It goes both ways, if someone doesn't respect your spirituality, tough cookies. Free speech can go both ways can it not? Religion doesn't deserve it's own special "hands off" category were no one can criticize it.

BTW - I don't lump spirituality in with religious dogma. I'm against organized religion and the idiotic dogma involved.

[Stress]

@EvGa

Of course it doesn't deserve a 'hands off' category. Nothing does, I guess. Not even free speech itself.

[heroo]

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

because people care for their religion.

they intentionally wanted to insult all people that have a religion. why do they trade holy books for porn? why not just give the money that they've spend on buying that porn.

they could've made their point without handing out porn.

[Stress]

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

because people care for their religion.

they intentionally wanted to insult all people that have a religion. why do they trade holy books for porn? why not just give the money that they've spend on buying that porn.

they could've made their point without handing out porn.

True. Handing out porn is way too ostentatious, at least in my book.

[Love]

I will be responding later to the religious retards( warm up ) that are posting hmm.... well, retarded shit ...

but what is important is that I will present an argument that you can't overcome and I will demand answers or a stfu accompanied by an, I am a total moron and thank god that there are smarter people around to lead the way.

edit: abolish,

perfect god, believe, amused at eternal punishment ( personal notes/actually a trap, anything you say will actually work for me ).

[strangelove]

I don't get it.

You mind explaining?

Your wife is most likely ugly, your children are most likely stupid, and your religion is most likely false. There's nothing special about your wife, your children, or your religion that makes them immune to being criticized. They are all only opinions, after all.

because people care for their religion.

they intentionally wanted to insult all people that have a religion. why do they trade holy books for porn? why not just give the money that they've spend on buying that porn.

they could've made their point without handing out porn.

So what's your point? Lots of people care for politics, for the universe, for science, for spirituality, for various social issues, but that doesn't stop others from criticizing their views on the subjects. What special privileges do religious people have that require the unanimous respect of mankind because their beliefs are too frail to be mocked or criticized? No, they're just that-- BELIEFS. Nothing more. Curiously enough, it makes you think, if these people are so sure about their beliefs then why do they care who criticizes them if they're allegedly true? For people so sure about their convictions, they tend to get terribly defensive and offended when they're challenged. If I was to feel offended every time someone said atheism is immoral and evil, I'd have a very bitter life.

My life is usually fantastic, tyvm.

Where's that gosh darn religion thread..

[heroo]

So what's your point? Lots of people care for politics, for the universe, for science, for spirituality, for various social issues, but that doesn't stop others from criticizing their views on the subjects. What special privileges do religious people have that require the unanimous respect of mankind because their beliefs are too frail to be mocked or criticized? No, they're just that-- BELIEFS. Nothing more. Curiously enough, it makes you think, if these people are so sure about their beliefs then why do they care who criticizes them if they're allegedly true? For people so sure about their convictions, they tend to get terribly defensive and offended when they're challenged. If I was to feel offended every time someone said atheism is immoral and evil, I'd have a very bitter life.

no one said you can't criticize it, but there are other ways instead of trading porn for holy books. there are more respectful ways to criticize.

[EvGa]

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

Why not?

Religion does not force anyone to being their religion. I don't know how it is in USA, but no one here forces you to be a Muslim and no one can. If you are born in an Islamic family, you are considered a Muslim and we are held responsible for TEACHING our religion to the next generation. We are not held responsible for them following it or not.

We respect, do not mess with, in no way force atheists over here. We leave atheists and everyone else to follow any religion they want freely.

Why can't you do the same? Do you not believe everyone should get equal rights? Why can't you just fuckin leave the "religion" people alone, and live your own damn life? Why do you have to start problems by "trading 'holy' texts for porn"? Why don't you just LEAVE our Qu'rans, Bibles to us, leave us believe in whatever we choose to believe in and mind your own God damn business?

First off, u mad. Now, by "why does religion deserve respect?" I mean, why does religion hold precedence over every other belief? It's "attacking religion and showing no respect" when an atheist questions religion, in this case equating religion to smut. But vice versa it's ok? Ever seen an evangelical christian on a college campus preaching fire and brimstone? I have. What about religious people who go door to door, or pass out Bibles in parking lots, or try to pray as teachers in classrooms, or encourage others to bring people to church, or become missionaries in other countries, or put up signs encouraging people to become part of their religion, or have tv and radio shows that complain all day long about Atheists and other evil non-believers?

That's all fine and dandy, but when an atheist puts their views out for people to see it's disrespectful? Stop pressing your views on me, it's disrespectful.

Religion is a hindrance to humanity. Religion bastardizes science and tries to have its doctrine taught in SCIENCE classrooms, strongly influences legislation, and teaches hate and violence.

Now, how am I suppose to leave religion alone when it won't leave me alone to start with?

no one said you can't criticize it, but there are other ways instead of trading porn for holy books. there are more respectful ways to criticize.

A book that teaches hate and ignorance deserves no respect, sorry.

Religion teaches people to believe in something with absolutely no evidence FFS!

[EvGa]

NONE OF the ones you listed force you to do anything. Sure, a guy walking down the park who offers a bilbe must REALLY REALLY bother you. Next time try "No thanks". See if that'll send the madness, violence teaching "religion person" away.

No one is forcing anyone to turn in their bible for smut. I was making a comparison.

So by insulting our believes (example below colored in red), you're simply "putting out your own views"?

Believe in whatever you want to believe. Just don't go around insulting other people's religon's God.

I'm sorry you feel insulted. I feel insulted when I see the bastardization of science by religious dogma.

Now you're just contradicting yourself.

So you're saying that person X does not deserve respect because he believes in a God but person Y does because he does not?

Where's your equal rights that comes with freedom of religon?

Neither side has precedence over the other, but it's going to be hard to disrespect a "lack of belief". Atheism is LACK OF BELIEF in deities. It's not a belief system. Religion makes the positive assertions, presses these on people, and then gets offended when their views are questioned.

There is evidence. Loads of it. You're just too blind to see it.

You say religion brainwashes people and causes them to NOT be able to see the truth when you're not different. You're brainwashed and prejudice about religion and YOU can NOT see the clear evidence of the existence of God. You live in a world of theories, assumptions, and predictions of how something has come to existence or how something has appeared out of nothing. You avoid questions that can not be answered or either answer them with "we presume that ... happened like ...." or "...... points us to believe that ....... has appeared ...."

You told me that you have facts to proove the non existence (not sure of the word) of God in the religion thread. You presented 3 FACTS. I showed you how all of those 3 FACTS where either;

a lie
false
made up.

Yet we're still here; you still believing that you DO have evidence behind your beliefs.

Absolutely 100% wrong. I never said I have proof God does not exist. I said, there is no proof to suggest a "god" exists. You are the one making an assumption and jumping to conclusions based on NO evidence. MY stance on where/how the universe was formed, we don't know. You, "We know for sure! God did it." Who is the arrogant one here?

I would love to see this load of evidence though.

Bold: I assume this is an attack on science? First, go look up the definition of scientific theory. Second, as stated above, you are the one making the claims. I (and science) simply state, I do not know.

I'm open to there being a god, but as of now, there is no reason to believe in one and NO reason to pick one of the many religious dogmas to follow. From the grab-bag of religions, which did you choose?

[Miguez]

Good luck, ofy. :\

[*BlackFox]

OMFG. It's beyond parody.
Seriously, This whole thing sounds like a publicity stunt!

[Goseki]

Like Baro said, I think that rewarding a kid for something he's already supposed to do is a bad idea, especially with money.

About Death Penalty, the murderer has already killed, the person is gone for good, murdering him would make you as much of a murder as him, and it wouldn't bring the murdered person/people back.

The point of the extreme punishment like death penalty isn't so you get an eye for an eye. It's so that if someone does something, they know what they are risking. With the current punishment of shit like "life in jail", we have people like this guy that was completely broke and in an insane amount of debt. What did he do? Go to the local and library and research. He found out attempted murder of any government official will get you life in jail. So he bought a shotgun and aimed it at the face of his mailman. Mailman didn't die but has a fcked up face and perm paralyzed. The guy gets to live in jail with food, clothing, and shelter and all his debt is gone. He was days from becoming homeless pretty much.

[Miguez]

Like Baro said, I think that rewarding a kid for something he's already supposed to do is a bad idea, especially with money.

About Death Penalty, the murderer has already killed, the person is gone for good, murdering him would make you as much of a murder as him, and it wouldn't bring the murdered person/people back.

The point of the extreme punishment like death penalty isn't so you get an eye for an eye. It's so that if someone does something, they know what they are risking. With the current punishment of shit like "life in jail", we have people like this guy that was completely broke and in an insane amount of debt. What did he do? Go to the local and library and research. He found out attempted murder of any government official will get you life in jail. So he bought a shotgun and aimed it at the face of his mailman. Mailman didn't die but has a fcked up face and perm paralyzed. The guy gets to live in jail with food, clothing, and shelter and all his debt is gone. He was days from becoming homeless pretty much.

Well of course, like every other system, there are flaws.

What about the guy who was falsely accused of murder and then killed for something he had not done, I believe that has already, and would still happen.

I think it's better (not good, just better than) to have one extra guy in jail because he wanted to be there than killing a person for something he didn't do.

[Goseki]

It's true that some innocent would have to suffer, but I do think that in general crime would go down. It's one thing to pull a gun knowing you'll live while the other dies. It's another to know you'll both die, and it's def a whole new level know you'll get skinned and tortured while the other guys just dies in 1 shot.

We'd need a better method for discerning between liers and those that are guilty and not. If that could be solved, than the extreme penalty would be perfect.

I suppose until we do, we'll just have to stick with our current system since it's more humane for those unjustly tried.

[Disconn3cted]

Like Baro said, I think that rewarding a kid for something he's already supposed to do is a bad idea, especially with money.

About Death Penalty, the murderer has already killed, the person is gone for good, murdering him would make you as much of a murder as him, and it wouldn't bring the murdered person/people back.

The point of the extreme punishment like death penalty isn't so you get an eye for an eye. It's so that if someone does something, they know what they are risking. With the current punishment of shit like "life in jail", we have people like this guy that was completely broke and in an insane amount of debt. What did he do? Go to the local and library and research. He found out attempted murder of any government official will get you life in jail. So he bought a shotgun and aimed it at the face of his mailman. Mailman didn't die but has a fcked up face and perm paralyzed. The guy gets to live in jail with food, clothing, and shelter and all his debt is gone. He was days from becoming homeless pretty much.

The death penalty is bad because we aren't perfect. People are often removed from death row because we realized that we made the wrong assumption. The day will come when we know the state has put an innocent person to death and on that day we will all be murderers. Not only that the death penalty hasn't proven to very effective. Texas puts three times more people to death than any other state in the U.S. and yet it has one of the highest rates of murder. This proves that the death penalty is ineffective.

[*BlackFox]

The death penalty is bad because we aren't perfect. People are often removed from death row because we realized that we made the wrong assumption. The day will come when we know the state has put an innocent person to death and on that day we will all be murderers. Not only that the death penalty hasn't proven to very effective. Texas puts three times more people to death than any other state in the U.S. and yet it has one of the highest rates of murder. This proves that the death penalty is ineffective.

Yeah, I agree and death penalty is to easy for these.. Sick criminals.

[NuclearSilo]

OT: they say the bible is bad because they "think" it is bad, not because it's really bad.

I think stoning women and children is universally accepted as 'bad'. Raping women usually ranks pretty high also.

But like Love pointed out, this is not only about the bible, they were accepting any major religious text.

heroo, why does religion deserve any respect? And last I checked we have this here thing called free speech.

Just because there is one or some bad sentences doesn't mean everything else is also bad. There are good things too.
Some humans are bad. But it's not enough reason for a serial killer to wipe out all humans in the world, just because he hates some other humans.
Generalization ftl

[strangelove]

Correct me if I'm mistaken but don't we live in an era that I do not have to proove what I say exists and instead you have to prove the nonexistence of it? I forgot what that idea was called though. The world evolution ring any bells?
On the science part, I'm shocked you really did say "I don't know". Most people do what I had said in my previous post.

Does Bucaillism ring any bells?

The difference between a religious claim and a scientific one is that the religious must make assertions while claims in science just need to be restated. We're not the ones making any claims. Ultimately, the onus is on you to prove yourself correctly. We're simply observing nature and reporting what happens, not on a mission to disprove anyone. If you'd like, I'll be more than happy to provide you with numerous instances in which evolution has been proven correct again and again, and it can be repeatable and observable in our lifetimes. If you'd prefer to ignore evidence and keep pretending the Qu'ran explains modern science as you Bucaillians tend to do, be my guest. I do enjoy being vindicated.

The wonderful thing about the scientific method is that it does not concern itself with governing people or enterprise, but with pursuing the establishment of knowledge that can be considered demonstrable physical reality. Since the universe has no emotions (at least as far as we can tell), facts always find their way to the forefront, while emotionally-charged ideologies and pretensions that proclaim to know how it works (like religion) tend to fade away, naturally.

[strangelove]

while emotionally-charged (like religion)

lol you just called religion emotionally-charged.

I also said some stuff before that, which I'm guessing you chose to ignore.

And no, I called religion, "pretensions that proclaim to know how it [the universe] works". I suggest you try getting reading comprehension down before attempting sardonic rhetoric.