Hmm restructure of the earth!

[woutR]

I don't remember the year 2000 'end of the world' being as prominent as this 2012 shit. What's changed that we suddenly take this shit serious?

Speak for yourself.
My parents went mad during 1999 thinking the world was going to end. Seriously.

haha, that must have been priceless

[TheDrop]

• We don't know how hurricanes work.
• Build up of energy that has to be released.
• Earth is a closed system.

What the f*ck have you been smoking? Trolling or just really dumb?

You sippin' on that Silo juice?

[Goseki]

• We don't know how hurricanes work.
• Build up of energy that has to be released.
• Earth is a closed system.

What the f*ck have you been smoking? Trolling or just really dumb?

1) We still don't fully understand the life of a hurricane. We know they form off the coast of Africa as small depressions and can only build up over warm waters. However, this does not explain the trends in hurricane freq and strength. It's obvious to anyone that studied the history of hurricanes for a few years. There are times when one year will have many hurricanes while others almost none. The average strength per storm per year also varies greatly. We only know the basics of weather. Ask any meteorologist. The best models aren't that accurate and quite often disagree with each other. Current prediction methods rely either on empirical data from the past and trying to find a pattern or computer modeling.

The best meteorologists, even the famous names of hurricane and cyclone modeling agree on the fact that there is still some other unknown driving force. There are theories such as ocean currents or wind shear capabilities, etc. but none with enough research to prove anything yet.

2) Want to tell me where all the energy resulting from the earth's movement goes? Everyday stress is built up among the tectonic plates, the mantle of the earth is constantly moving around thus we have a magnetic field around our earth. All these interaction create massive amounts of potential energy. It's like a soda can. If you constantly shake it around, the pressure will build up. You might not notice it for awhile, but once you stop shaking and open it in front of your eyes, i bet you'll feel the power inside.

3) Earth is in a sense a "closed" system. Although we are affected by things from outer space, we still live in quite an enclosed space. Not much from under the earth's crust or outside the atmosphere really affects us in a huge way. Earth is just one big biosphere.

When I say closed system, I meant it as everything on earth is usually contained. I didn't mean it as the scientific closed system of no energy may pass in and out etc etc.

[Sharp324]

Idk about the rest of you but when i think of extreme stresses built in the earth i think of the super volcano under yellowstone...not a handful of earthquakes caused my plate movement.

[Buddhist]

Idk about the rest of you but when i think of extreme stresses built in the earth i think of the super volcano under yellowstone...not a handful of earthquakes caused my plate movement.

Dunno about that but I would just 'powerlevel' those two girls on those beercrate. That might cause a huge earthquake.
I shouldn't make fun of it because it's some serious business.

[panterr]

2012=2010+2
Earthquakes = This year Februari.
Yooohoo .

[Pinoy_Archer]

i expect in Dec. 21, 2012:

the stable development of:

Spoiler!

FUSION ENERGY!!!
http://fusedweb.llnl.gov/
look under Magnetic Fusion Energy and Inertial Confinement Fusion Energy. ITS F*CKING EPIC!!!111 one!!!11!!one

[Xawkes]

More humans needs more houses also they need more food and that means there will be less animals.

In conclution our system needs a balance and its trying to get it with natural disasters.

[/Pi]

1) We still don't fully understand the life of a hurricane. We know they form off the coast of Africa as small depressions and can only build up over warm waters. However, this does not explain the trends in hurricane freq and strength. It's obvious to anyone that studied the history of hurricanes for a few years. There are times when one year will have many hurricanes while others almost none. The average strength per storm per year also varies greatly. We only know the basics of weather. Ask any meteorologist. The best models aren't that accurate and quite often disagree with each other. Current prediction methods rely either on empirical data from the past and trying to find a pattern or computer modeling.

The best meteorologists, even the famous names of hurricane and cyclone modeling agree on the fact that there is still some other unknown driving force. There are theories such as ocean currents or wind shear capabilities, etc. but none with enough research to prove anything yet.

We have massive amounts of information on hurricanes that span from different institutions across decades. We know the factors that are required for hurricanes to form. We have yearly estimates on their frequency. We have models that predict their activity. We also have the technology to observe and collect data from hurricanes. Yearly, scientific journals are published on hurricanes by meteorologists, climatologists, and atmospheric physicists.

But like everything in science, nothing is perfect. Factors, frequencies, activities, and predictions are not set in stone. Yes, there are unknown forces that are connected to hurricanes but this lack of information should not deter the fact that we do have an understanding of hurricanes.

2) Want to tell me where all the energy resulting from the earth's movement goes? Everyday stress is built up among the tectonic plates, the mantle of the earth is constantly moving around thus we have a magnetic field around our earth. All these interaction create massive amounts of potential energy. It's like a soda can. If you constantly shake it around, the pressure will build up. You might not notice it for awhile, but once you stop shaking and open it in front of your eyes, i bet you'll feel the power inside.

The potential energy is converted to other types of energy such as thermal and seismic energy - volcanoes and earthquakes respectively. Your inclusion of hurricanes in your original post gave the impression that they and the movement of tectonic plates are directly related. It's a novel idea but requires some stretching.

[Goseki]

I never said we didn't know anything about hurricanes. We do know the basics of their formation, but why their intensity varies so much we don't really know that much about. Predictions often fall short as well. If you have free time, Storm World is a good book to read. It goes through the history of the recent global warming debate and the changes in hurricane study.

There were years where the best computer models predicted 5-10 storms while empiricists predicted well over 15. The actual count was in the 20s. There have been theories about other factors which play into the weather. The thing about meteorology is just how little is fully known about earth's weather system. This is coming first hand from a Meteorology grad student btw.

This is just like evolutionary biology. You have models, but as the interactions between individuals in a population changes and other factors change, the equation gets more and more complex until eventually you just rely on statistic to see if you have any correlation.

The thing with our current science is that we don't really know for sure. It's like a ball of yarn. You can unravel a bit, but it gets harder to keep the strings from tangling once you start to unravel all of it.

We won't really know what will happen if anything. We know more about what's happening globally due to today's media and technology, but who knows if these trends were normal or rare.


Movement of tectonic plates causes "hot spots" to shift. There has been theory that changes in ocean current and temperature can cause the conditions for tropical storms to form more easily and can sustain stronger storms. It's hard to accurately pinpoint this since each year, something in the system changes. It's a stretch, but not very far considering just how complex the system is. Other hypotheses in the past include rainfall amount in the African jungles is correlated to hurricane numbers in a year, wind shear across the atlantic, etc.



My point is, don't cross anything out. if anything just live like normal and keep an eye out. Human knowledge of our planet alone is still vastly lacking. If you sit down and think of all the things that is happening to the earth at one point in time, it's insane.

[/Pi]

Point taken. I recant my condescending statements.

[EvGa]

Again, cool story bro. The Mayans made no such predictions. If some sort of catastrophic event takes place on 12-24-2010 (or whenever they hell 'they' predict) it will be coincidence.

You're basically saying, if something happens, something happened. That's fine, but it's a useless statement.

Your biology example makes no sense btw...

[Goseki]

Again, cool story bro. The Mayans made no such predictions. If some sort of catastrophic event takes place on 12-24-2010 (or whenever they hell 'they' predict) it will be coincidence.

You're basically saying, if something happens, something happened. That's fine, but it's a useless statement.

Your biology example makes no sense btw...

The evolutionary biology? Have you taken an evolutionary bio class? You start of with a basic equilibrium model, but as you add variable factors, such as genetic drift, population size, non-random mating, etc. the equation gets more complex until there really isn't a fully accurate equation that works for the population and you just use statistic to find in general, what trend your population will take.

[EvGa]

The evolutionary biology? Have you taken an evolutionary bio class? You start of with a basic equilibrium model, but as you add variable factors, such as genetic drift, population size, non-random mating, etc. the equation gets more complex until there really isn't a fully accurate equation that works for the population and you just use statistic to find in general, what trend your population will take.

The way you worded it in the other post didn't make sense to me, but it does now. Yes, I have taken an evolutionary biology course, before I changed majors. =[

I still don't see where this thread is/was going? Simply saying the 2012 scare is ridiculous and we really don't know? Sure, but you could apply the same thing to any day of any year. Again, I don't think nor see any evidence showing that the Mayans made any sort of geological predications. People of this day and age have done that.

I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the core makeup of the Earth, the mantle/core oscillations, etc

[Goseki]

I can't imagine the mayans knowing exactly what would happen either unless it was told to them by someone with far greater intellect than even what we have today. What the mayans did have though was very intelligent tracking of the movement of the celestial bodies. They were very accurate with their star charts I'll give them that. Whether an alignment will have any effect we don't really know. Our current knowledge of physics would say no, but who knows how accurate our current physics is.

Personally I think our understanding if physics itself is flawed. The "laws" we come up with only hold true in our personal realm. To expand and go further, we will have to find ways to get around these "laws".

[EvGa]

I can't imagine the mayans knowing exactly what would happen either unless it was told to them by someone with far greater intellect than even what we have today. What the mayans did have though was very intelligent tracking of the movement of the celestial bodies. They were very accurate with their star charts I'll give them that. Whether an alignment will have any effect we don't really know. Our current knowledge of physics would say no, but who knows how accurate our current physics is.

Personally I think our understanding if physics itself is flawed. The "laws" we come up with only hold true in our personal realm. To expand and go further, we will have to find ways to get around these "laws".

Physics only attempts to explain the natural realm and it does that quite well. Current physics is extremely 'accurate', just ask the electrons in your pc.

[Goseki]

I can't imagine the mayans knowing exactly what would happen either unless it was told to them by someone with far greater intellect than even what we have today. What the mayans did have though was very intelligent tracking of the movement of the celestial bodies. They were very accurate with their star charts I'll give them that. Whether an alignment will have any effect we don't really know. Our current knowledge of physics would say no, but who knows how accurate our current physics is.

Personally I think our understanding if physics itself is flawed. The "laws" we come up with only hold true in our personal realm. To expand and go further, we will have to find ways to get around these "laws".

Physics only attempts to explain the natural realm and it does that quite well. Current physics is extremely accurate, just ask the electrons in your pc.

Too bad the "realm" we live is about the size of an electron when compared to the rest of the universe.

[EvGa]

Its too bad physics pertains to the entire Universe.

[Goseki]

Too bad the physics we're using can't be applied to all of the universe. As we're finding out day by day. Once the scale of things becomes too small, quarks, or too massive, black holes, the "laws" of physics no longer apply.

[EvGa]

I didn't know quantum mechanics wasn't physics.

[Apollion]

i cant wait till decemeber 22nd 2012, gunna laugh at everyone who thought we'd be dead.

[ApocalypticDeath]

what if your the only one who died

[NuclearSilo]

what if your the only one who died

Then I'd be the one who would laugh at him

[TheDrop]

The world may or may not end in 2012.

[NuclearSilo]

The world may or may not end in 2012.

Best answer and it's true! It can't be wrong!

[Mirosuke]

The world may or may not end in 2012.

or 2013.. or 2014 or...

[Goseki]

I didn't know quantum mechanics wasn't physics.

I was speaking in terms of original physics. Quantum mechanics was created to deal with the anomalies. We keep finding new things that don't fit our normal scheme.

[Amelie]

I might have to pull a china and censor all future posts on this topic.

You so shud.

[EvGa]

I didn't know quantum mechanics wasn't physics.

I was speaking in terms of original physics. Quantum mechanics was created to deal with the anomalies. We keep finding new things that don't fit our normal scheme.

You're correct, but that's what science does. It's not a concrete process. Scientists continually refine, correct, and create new theories. There is no set in stone 'scheme'. QM is just as much physics as general relativity, it's just a different branch to deal with different natural phenomenon on a scale that certain theories don't deal with.

The only reason I brought this up was because you said we need a different way to get around our current laws and into? the different realm. This is the only realm we know of and its's the only realm science deals with. So far science has done well and continues to adapt to explain this 'realm'. Science/physics explains more and more everyday...

/rant over

[NuclearSilo]

Yes, science is about studying life and finding the truth. One day, people will find the truth about the Mayans and 2012.
and later it will lead to studying God... j/k