NuclearSilo wrote:X-Lax wrote:Xemnas, I'd have to say your the most intelligent person on this forum, I really do enjoy reading your posts.
XLax, I'd have to say ur the best ass kisser on this forum...
NuclearSilo wrote:X-Lax wrote:Xemnas, I'd have to say your the most intelligent person on this forum, I really do enjoy reading your posts.
XLax, I'd have to say ur the best ass kisser on this forum...
Tasdik wrote:EvGa wrote:Pinoy_Archer wrote:also i always as thing to myself, now can anyone answer this, cuz its bugging me out. Now its 2010, i dont see anything that the human being have evolve within this time period, no extra bone or some added muscles where evolve to obese people or something relative to that. I watched History Channel and they talked about evolution. all they said the human have just changed height add minus some couple of inches in the past thousand of years...
Simple answer, evolution occurs over large time scales. Especially in species with generations as long as ours. Everything is in a constant state of evolution, every organism you see is a transitional form.
Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
Pinoy_Archer wrote:also i always as thing to myself, now can anyone answer this, cuz its bugging me out. Now its 2010, i dont see anything that the human being have evolve within this time period, no extra bone or some added muscles where evolve to obese people or something relative to that. I watched History Channel and they talked about evolution. all they said the human have just changed height add minus some couple of inches in the past thousand of years...
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Tasdik wrote:Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
Fug_Dup wrote:Evolution is as much a theory as the theory of gravity. We can literally throw the entire fossil record away and still have tons of evidence for evolution because it still occurs. So please, don't get so excited about the semantics here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment
http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... haasPage=0
http://newsroom.ucr.edu/news_item.html? ... ge&id=1426
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2001 ... dinalpos=1
Y'know, when you get a cold or something, scientists have to look for cures for various new strands of the Influenza virus that continue mutating all the time. They do so by studying the evolutionary traits of the virus to predict its behavior and other properties that can help find an immunizing agent for the strand. Where were you the past year? I'm sure you noticed a little something called the "Swine Flu", which was an evolved strain of the influenza virus.
EvGa wrote:Pinoy_Archer wrote:also i always as thing to myself, now can anyone answer this, cuz its bugging me out. Now its 2010, i dont see anything that the human being have evolve within this time period, no extra bone or some added muscles where evolve to obese people or something relative to that. I watched History Channel and they talked about evolution. all they said the human have just changed height add minus some couple of inches in the past thousand of years...
Simple answer, evolution occurs over large time scales. Especially in species with generations as long as ours. Everything is in a constant state of evolution, every organism you see is a transitional form.
, and i got a hunch that you can also provide a simple example that man has evolve in 2010 years... there should have been a change right? even a tiny one right? 
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Pinoy_Archer wrote:EvGa wrote:Pinoy_Archer wrote:also i always as thing to myself, now can anyone answer this, cuz its bugging me out. Now its 2010, i dont see anything that the human being have evolve within this time period, no extra bone or some added muscles where evolve to obese people or something relative to that. I watched History Channel and they talked about evolution. all they said the human have just changed height add minus some couple of inches in the past thousand of years...
Simple answer, evolution occurs over large time scales. Especially in species with generations as long as ours. Everything is in a constant state of evolution, every organism you see is a transitional form.
Really? ok. so you mean that 2010 years is still a short time for a large evolution occurring to man right? So, your good at fossils
But is there any?
(seriously i'm interested in this stuff
NuclearSilo wrote:X-Lax wrote:Xemnas, I'd have to say your the most intelligent person on this forum, I really do enjoy reading your posts.
XLax, I'd have to say ur the best ass kisser on this forum...
Pinoy_Archer wrote:EvGa wrote:Pinoy_Archer wrote:also i always as thing to myself, now can anyone answer this, cuz its bugging me out. Now its 2010, i dont see anything that the human being have evolve within this time period, no extra bone or some added muscles where evolve to obese people or something relative to that. I watched History Channel and they talked about evolution. all they said the human have just changed height add minus some couple of inches in the past thousand of years...
Simple answer, evolution occurs over large time scales. Especially in species with generations as long as ours. Everything is in a constant state of evolution, every organism you see is a transitional form.
Really? ok. so you mean that 2010 years is still a short time for a large evolution occurring to man right? So, your good at fossils
But is there any?
(seriously i'm interested in this stuff
Tasdik wrote:Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
XemnasXD wrote:There has been changes in the human species even over this small number of years. For one thing people have evolved different skin tones with relation to where they live and what they eat. A more precise example of evolution is Sickle Cell Disease. It was developed by the human body help combat malaria and while having two alleles of the gene often reduces life expectancy people back then had more children and did not live as long so the Sickle was actually pretty good to have.
Has our evolution slowed down? Perhaps, but if you really wanted to know the answer why you would simply have to an understanding of how evolution works which clearly you haven't bothered to do. Here are some key points.
- Evolution is random and occurs fastest in species that reproduce the fastest. Human reproduction his a slow process and people o average only have 2 kids. Mutations can and do occur, that is how genetic disease are developed and sometimes these diseases are able to spread. Either way people who once lived only 50 years and managed to have 10-12 kids (5 or more probably died) are now living to 80-90 years and only have 2-3 kids. Far less opportunity for evolution to occur.
- Natural Selection has sort of gone out the window for people. People mate with each other for all kinds of stupid reasons. Mostly boredom. If females collectively picked a trait, say intelligence or strength then you would see a more obvious shift in the population towards smarter or stronger people. But there is no natural selection. We all know ugly/terrible people who get laid all the time for one reason or another. The lack of selection prevents humans from streamlining into one specific direction, instead we retain a lopsided amount of smart/dumb and strong/weak people.
Evolution is still a slow process for any highly evolved creature, if you were really interested this information is not hard to come by like i said and really only requires basic knowledge of the concept and some thinking...but like i said breeders don't choose to mate with the smartest people all the time so look where we are now.
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XemnasXD wrote:There has been changes in the human species even over this small number of years. For one thing people have evolved different skin tones with relation to where they live and what they eat. A more precise example of evolution is Sickle Cell Disease. It was developed by the human body help combat malaria and while having two alleles of the gene often reduces life expectancy people back then had more children and did not live as long so the Sickle was actually pretty good to have.
Has our evolution slowed down? Perhaps, but if you really wanted to know the answer why you would simply have to an understanding of how evolution works which clearly you haven't bothered to do. Here are some key points.
- Evolution is random and occurs fastest in species that reproduce the fastest. Human reproduction his a slow process and people o average only have 2 kids. Mutations can and do occur, that is how genetic disease are developed and sometimes these diseases are able to spread. Either way people who once lived only 50 years and managed to have 10-12 kids (5 or more probably died) are now living to 80-90 years and only have 2-3 kids. Far less opportunity for evolution to occur.
- Natural Selection has sort of gone out the window for people. People mate with each other for all kinds of stupid reasons. Mostly boredom. If females collectively picked a trait, say intelligence or strength then you would see a more obvious shift in the population towards smarter or stronger people. But there is no natural selection. We all know ugly/terrible people who get laid all the time for one reason or another. The lack of selection prevents humans from streamlining into one specific direction, instead we retain a lopsided amount of smart/dumb and strong/weak people.
Evolution is still a slow process for any highly evolved creature, if you were really interested this information is not hard to come by like i said and really only requires basic knowledge of the concept and some thinking...but like i said breeders don't choose to mate with the smartest people all the time so look where we are now.
I'll just give you some benefits of religion.
religion has and always has inspired some of the most creative eras in history, including the Renaissance, the Golden Age of Islam, and the great philosophical thinkers of antiquity.
religion gives people hope. As I have leukemia I have talked with many families that are effected by the disease and their faith in their religion and that something good will come always seems to make them strong and faithful to each other. I don't even mind when they preach to me anymore(I'm agnostic). You need to stop being so negative and looking at the bad things in life and look at the positive things as well. That is what my experience with this cancer has taught me and it's a good lesson. No one is asking you to change, repent, believe in this or that god, we just ask that you give religion it's props and respect and for you to recognize there is more to religion than judgment and general persecution of the different.
including the Renaissance,
Golden Age of Islam
great philosophical thinkers of antiquity
Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
+1 Get off your butt and go look at the latest flu strain, or is it too much work?+1. Evolution is still going on..but i doubt natural selection has a lot to influence it now in this lifestyle we have.
EvGa wrote:Oh dear me.. I'm not an enabler. If you want to learn about evolution instead of spewing useless bs, go read about it. Yes, like I said, in organisms with generations as large as ours, evolution is "hard" to watch. However, there is plenty of evidence that humans have and still are evolving, transitional fossils anyone? The fact our dna is almost identical to that of chimpanzees, we share a common ancestor with them, it's in the fossil record.
Go check out the fruit fly Drosophila experiments. They DO evolve right before our eyes, to the point of speciation. Domesticated dogs? Artificial selection.
No where in my post did I say "basically we can never see something actually evolve." Shows your clear misunderstanding of evolution. It's not an instantaneous change. It's small changes over time that accumulate in to large changes. Random gene mutation plus non-random natural selection = fit species = evolution. Everything is always evolving.
XemnasXD wrote:There has been changes in the human species even over this small number of years. For one thing people have evolved different skin tones with relation to where they live and what they eat. A more precise example of evolution is Sickle Cell Disease. It was developed by the human body help combat malaria and while having two alleles of the gene often reduces life expectancy people back then had more children and did not live as long so the Sickle was actually pretty good to have.
Has our evolution slowed down? Perhaps, but if you really wanted to know the answer why you would simply have to an understanding of how evolution works which clearly you haven't bothered to do. Here are some key points.
- Evolution is random and occurs fastest in species that reproduce the fastest. Human reproduction his a slow process and people o average only have 2 kids. Mutations can and do occur, that is how genetic disease are developed and sometimes these diseases are able to spread. Either way people who once lived only 50 years and managed to have 10-12 kids (5 or more probably died) are now living to 80-90 years and only have 2-3 kids. Far less opportunity for evolution to occur.
- Natural Selection has sort of gone out the window for people. People mate with each other for all kinds of stupid reasons. Mostly boredom. If females collectively picked a trait, say intelligence or strength then you would see a more obvious shift in the population towards smarter or stronger people. But there is no natural selection. We all know ugly/terrible people who get laid all the time for one reason or another. The lack of selection prevents humans from streamlining into one specific direction, instead we retain a lopsided amount of smart/dumb and strong/weak people.
Evolution is still a slow process for any highly evolved creature, if you were really interested this information is not hard to come by like i said and really only requires basic knowledge of the concept and some thinking...but like i said breeders don't choose to mate with the smartest people all the time so look where we are now.
Ownage wrote:I am atheist but I actually like people believing in a religion. Now I may feel this way because I live in Southern US, and I see a good amount of crime and stupidity, and one of the only thing that stops people from doing whatever they want (like robbing, beating someone up, and killing) is cops and religion. People are afraid they will go to hell or bad things will happen if they do something bad. Now I don't approve people not using their brain cause their religions Holy Book told them something else. Like people disagree with the Theory of evolution even though it can easily be seen just because the Bible told them god made everything.
Tasdik wrote:EvGa wrote:Oh dear me.. I'm not an enabler. If you want to learn about evolution instead of spewing useless bs, go read about it. Yes, like I said, in organisms with generations as large as ours, evolution is "hard" to watch. However, there is plenty of evidence that humans have and still are evolving, transitional fossils anyone? The fact our dna is almost identical to that of chimpanzees, we share a common ancestor with them, it's in the fossil record.
Go check out the fruit fly Drosophila experiments. They DO evolve right before our eyes, to the point of speciation. Domesticated dogs? Artificial selection.
No where in my post did I say "basically we can never see something actually evolve." Shows your clear misunderstanding of evolution. It's not an instantaneous change. It's small changes over time that accumulate in to large changes. Random gene mutation plus non-random natural selection = fit species = evolution. Everything is always evolving.
DNA is such an exact and incredibly complex thing thing that almost and DNA shouldn't even be put into the same sentence.
EvGa wrote:Oh dear me.. I'm not an enabler. If you want to learn about evolution instead of spewing useless bs, go read about it. *oh dear it appears your insulting me, ah noes* Yes, like I said, in organisms with generations as large as ours, evolution is "hard" to watch. So evolution takes a long time, got it. However, there is plenty of evidence that humans have and still are evolving, transitional fossils anyone? The fact our dna is almost identical to that of chimpanzees, we share a common ancestor with them, it's in the fossil record. Already covered this part
Go check out the fruit fly Drosophila experiments. They DO evolve right before our eyes, to the point of speciation. Domesticated dogs? Artificial selection. Mmmm, fruit flies. I'll have to go check that out sometime
No where in my post did I say "basically we can never see something actually evolve." I believe you said: "evolution occurs over large time scales." which pretty much means evolution occurs over a very long, unspecified amount of time. And since I won't live for a very long time that'd mean I wouldn't be able to see it would I? Shows your clear misunderstanding of evolution. I'm dumb, got it. It's not an instantaneous change. Yeah I got that from the "large time scales" thing. It's small changes over time that accumulate in to large changes. Random gene mutation plus non-random natural selection = fit species = evolution. Everything is always evolving. You don't say?
EvGa wrote:Tasdik wrote:EvGa wrote:Oh dear me.. I'm not an enabler. If you want to learn about evolution instead of spewing useless bs, go read about it. Yes, like I said, in organisms with generations as large as ours, evolution is "hard" to watch. However, there is plenty of evidence that humans have and still are evolving, transitional fossils anyone? The fact our dna is almost identical to that of chimpanzees, we share a common ancestor with them, it's in the fossil record.
Go check out the fruit fly Drosophila experiments. They DO evolve right before our eyes, to the point of speciation. Domesticated dogs? Artificial selection.
No where in my post did I say "basically we can never see something actually evolve." Shows your clear misunderstanding of evolution. It's not an instantaneous change. It's small changes over time that accumulate in to large changes. Random gene mutation plus non-random natural selection = fit species = evolution. Everything is always evolving.
DNA is such an exact and incredibly complex thing thing that almost and DNA shouldn't even be put into the same sentence.
Out of everything I wrote, that is what you picked out? why don't you fall back on your ridiculous statement. Our DNA is ALMOST identical. 98% match to be exact. Of course there are differences, I was simply citing an example. Sorry if you have a problem with that.
| | Tarnished CoastTasdik wrote:EvGa wrote:Oh dear me.. I'm not an enabler. If you want to learn about evolution instead of spewing useless bs, go read about it. *oh dear it appears your insulting me, ah noes* Yes, like I said, in organisms with generations as large as ours, evolution is "hard" to watch. So evolution takes a long time, got it. However, there is plenty of evidence that humans have and still are evolving, transitional fossils anyone? The fact our dna is almost identical to that of chimpanzees, we share a common ancestor with them, it's in the fossil record. Already covered this part
Go check out the fruit fly Drosophila experiments. They DO evolve right before our eyes, to the point of speciation. Domesticated dogs? Artificial selection. Mmmm, fruit flies. I'll have to go check that out sometime
No where in my post did I say "basically we can never see something actually evolve." I believe you said: "evolution occurs over large time scales." which pretty much means evolution occurs over a very long, unspecified amount of time. And since I won't live for a very long time that'd mean I wouldn't be able to see it would I? Shows your clear misunderstanding of evolution. I'm dumb, got it. It's not an instantaneous change. Yeah I got that from the "large time scales" thing. It's small changes over time that accumulate in to large changes. Random gene mutation plus non-random natural selection = fit species = evolution. Everything is always evolving. You don't say?
Better?
Tasdik wrote:Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
EvGa wrote:
Seriously? You're going to play the "poor me, I'm insulted" card? You jumped right out and clearly showed your ignorance towards the theory of evolution with your comment (below) and were clearly attacking my reply, which if you'll check, began with the words "simple answer".
Sarcasm is a beautiful thing. Do you honestly think I'd be insulted by anything you have to say?Tasdik wrote:Gotta love this answer. Your pretty much saying, "It takes such a long time for species to evolve that we probably won't ever see them actually evolving. BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!"
It's obvious you don't know much about evolution if that's the kind of conclusion you got from my reply. As if what I replied to pinoy was the only evidence for evolution. "You don't say" ? What is with that comment, if you agree then why are we discussing this.
You are correct you won't see the changes in your life time, but over thousands of years there are changes, clearly documented changes, several of them posted in other replies in this thread. If you already know this, as I assume from your sarcastic reply, what was the "BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL REAL!" comment for? I mentioned the fruit flies because you CAN see evolution before your very eyes, speciation. It was simply an example.. But shows YOU CAN WITNESS EVOLUTION (specifically, processes of evolution as a whole).
What has your panties in a bunch? Instead of giving these sarcastic replies, why don't you come back with some evidence against it? You attacked my reply first..I didn't attack you. Oh I'm terribly sorry about attacking your reply.
Tasdik wrote:Oh I'm terribly sorry about attacking your reply.
>>woutR wrote:Bah these things are only really fun if you're in the middle of them.
But this evolution/religion shit never gets anywhere.
EvGa wrote:Tasdik wrote:Oh I'm terribly sorry about attacking your reply.
Trust me, I don't care. It's just that you obviously didn't agree with what I said, but didn't (and still haven't) added anything to support your side. You jumped out and made an ignorant reply to my post. I figured you would follow up with some sort of evidence...guess I was wrong.
Honestly, I do want to hear your side.
woutR wrote:But this evolution/religion shit never gets anywhere.
